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[GarrusIsABadass]

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[sjsharp2011]

I've always assumed that all the peo0ple the reapers were using to fight you were dead including all the husks. Whether anybody feels different about that I'm not so sure.

[gothpunkboy89]

Most husk conversion is shown with dragon's teeth. Which is a large metal spike that pierces your torso. Which is a death blow to humans. So yea they are reanimated corpses.

[General TSAR]

[dgcatanisiri]

The dragon's teeth were only explicitly used as husk creators in ME1. They were only referenced, and used as background props, in ME2, and absent almost entirely in ME3 (Henry Lawson may have mentioned them in a lab report on Horizon, but that's about the extent of it). We don't really know WHAT the process being used in ME3 was, though there was obviously SOME kind of process involved, given the creation of blended creations like the brutes.

 

But the indications are that if the dragon's teeth aren't in use, the person transformed dies, or effectively dies, in the process. It's implied to be the end result of indoctrination, when a mind has been so overpowered by the Reapers' control that there's nothing left. So by the time a person is a husk, whether it's just through standard indoctrination or some kind of accelerated process used to create shock troops, even if a person is technically alive, in the sense that their body draws breath and their heart still beats, their mind is gone, crushed by the Reapers.

[Derecho79]

According to Mordin, might as well be dead (his thoughts on Collectors can be applied to husks):

[themikefest]

Does that husk in the green ending become aware when looking at the soldier? Does it remember who he/she was before being turned into a husk?

[planehazza]

As far as I'm aware, those that indoctrinated forcefully and quickly (eg via dragon's teeth) are basically killed and their body used as a host for all the synthetic material.  Paul Grayson was kind of in between normal indoctrination and a husk by the end of the books and he was alive and aware for most of it - he had nannites injected and the process accelerated using red sand.

 

More on the Dragon's Teeth, I always they were Geth creations based on Reaper knowledge/tech given to them.  They are for field use, ie quickly converting captured organics.

 

http://masseffect.wi.../Dragon's_teeth

 

It stands reason to assume they are not needed to make husks. There are plenty of other situations in the games and books where humans are turned to husk in labs etc without Dragon's Teeth.

 

 

Does that husk in the green ending become aware when looking at the soldier? Does it remember who he/she was before being turned into a husk?

 

Probably just a plot hole. I would have thought that those made into husks via dragons teeth are dead as far as humans are concerned. The tissue may still be alive from the tech however.

[Reorte]

I assume (or pretend) that the husks we see all look the same for obvious development reasons. Clearly they wouldn't, being made from different people, but it's also possible that we're fighting both dead people who have had a chunk of machinery stuck in them (used to move a corpse about) and people so indoctrinated that there's nothing really left of the original, possibly also with some machinery stuck in them. Two different things that both act in the same way.

[Dantriges]

More on the Dragon's Teeth, I always they were Geth creations based on Reaper knowledge/tech given to them.  They are for field use, ie quickly converting captured organics.

 

There were Dragon´s Teeth on the derelict Reaper.

[von uber]

Does that husk in the green ending become aware when looking at the soldier? Does it remember who he/she was before being turned into a husk?

Yes. The joys of synthesis (and it's Canon, no amount of headcanon will change it).

[themikefest]

Yes. The joys of synthesis (and it's Canon, no amount of headcanon will change it).

Fortunately my Shepard chooses destroy not having to worry about the effects of the synthesis stuff.

[Jeniva]

I mean in the novels there is a character that is pretty much a husk and still aware but unable to control themselves, not sure if it's the same type of husk as the ones we see in the games or not though.

[AlanC9]

Yes. The joys of synthesis (and it's Canon, no amount of headcanon will change it).

 

Yes to the self-aware part; there's no way around that. Whether the memories of its earlier life are still with it or not isn't clear.

[CYRAX470]

Yes. The joys of synthesis (and it's Canon, no amount of headcanon will change it).

Didn't Mike Gamble say there isn't a canon ending? Or are we talking about something different?

[von uber]

Canon as in being self aware (as AlanC9 points out) is not something that is made up or fanfiction.

[gothpunkboy89]

Canon as in being self aware (as AlanC9 points out) is not something that is made up or fanfiction.

 

Geth are self aware. EDI is self aware. At that point husks are more mechanical then organic. Nothing but a really advanced computer since it is created and maintained by nano machines.

 

Self aware yes. Their former memories I doubt it. Reaper indoctrination crushes the mind of it's targets. That is why have have to create husk and control them with the reaper signal. Other wise they wouldn't be able to function on their own.

[KrrKs]

The Husks' self awareness also doesn't seem to be much better than what certain 'intelligent' vacuum cleaners achieve today...

[JasonC Shepard]

Husks aren't self aware, unless you choose the Synthesis ending.  Then they're forced to live with their horrifically grotesque bodies.

[CYRAX470]

Husks aren't self aware, unless you choose the Synthesis ending. Then they're forced to live with their horrifically grotesque bodies.

I was just coming to this. What a awful ****** existence that would be. You've lost your identity, you have no genitals to reproduce, you look like a horrify monster. What a rotten deal. Better off being blown to pieces.

[JasonC Shepard]

I was just coming to this. What a awful ****** existence that would be. You've lost your identity, you have no genitals to reproduce, you look like a horrify monster. What a rotten deal. Better off being blown to pieces.

Also consider the fact that some humans were melded together by the Collectors/Reapers to form Scions and Praetorians.  If I remember, Scions had at least 3 humans fused together and Praetorians had up to 20.  Imagine each human gaining individual awareness and being forced to live like that.

Human Centipede **** to the max right there.

[gothpunkboy89]

Husks aren't self aware, unless you choose the Synthesis ending.  Then they're forced to live with their horrifically grotesque bodies.

 

 

I was just coming to this. What a awful ****** existence that would be. You've lost your identity, you have no genitals to reproduce, you look like a horrify monster. What a rotten deal. Better off being blown to pieces.

 

 

Also consider the fact that some humans were melded together by the Collectors/Reapers to form Scions and Praetorians.  If I remember, Scions had at least 3 humans fused together and Praetorians had up to 20.  Imagine each human gaining individual awareness and being forced to live like that.

Human Centipede **** to the max right there.

 

 

You are all assuming a lot of things.

 

1. They will gain their original awareness back. Which is an impossibility as reaper indoctrination and creation of new forms crushes the mind completely.

 

2. Their minds are more synthetic then organic. Shown by the fact the reaper signal is what controls them. If they were turly organic minds then Cerberus wouldn't have been able to control the husks with their artificial reaper signal. So their gaining awareness would be no different then EDI or Geth gaining awareness.

 

3. Fused creatures have had their minds fused as well. So even though scions have 3 humans to make it. When they gain awareness it will be only 1 mind. Even assuming each one gets a separate awareness they would be no worse then the Geth. Who's mobile platforms is several geth units inhabiting a single body.  Legion had over 1k geth units in his body. So I guess that makes him even worse then anything the reapers did right?

[JasonC Shepard]

You are all assuming a lot of things.

 

1. They will gain their original awareness back. Which is an impossibility as reaper indoctrination and creation of new forms crushes the mind completely.

 

2. Their minds are more synthetic then organic. Shown by the fact the reaper signal is what controls them. If they were turly organic minds then Cerberus wouldn't have been able to control the husks with their artificial reaper signal. So their gaining awareness would be no different then EDI or Geth gaining awareness.

 

3. Fused creatures have had their minds fused as well. So even though scions have 3 humans to make it. When they gain awareness it will be only 1 mind. Even assuming each one gets a separate awareness they would be no worse then the Geth. Who's mobile platforms is several geth units inhabiting a single body.  Legion had over 1k geth units in his body. So I guess that makes him even worse then anything the reapers did right?

I never said they'd gain their original awareness back.

You're right that their minds are more synthetic than organic, but considering that the whole point of the Synthesis ending is to merge synthetic and organic life via space magic laser beams, it wouldn't be right to compare them to any pure synthetic.

I was also just speculating that some human minds might not meld in a Scion or Praetorian.  It's more likely than not that a Scion and Praetorian are just a single consciousness, but at the same time I wonder what a single fully aware Praetorian would be like with all those heads sticking out of it.

Also the difference between the Geth and a Scion/Praetorian with a collective consciousness is that the Geth were designed to work exceptionally well together and they weren't restricted to staying on a single platform.  A husk that gains awareness is almost sure to be shunned by society and possibly worse depending on if the husk is able to express emotions or not.

[Dantriges]

Ah, now that we understand each other, Bob Husk will be a fully integrated member of society, like the lion over there or the oak with these shiny circuitry in its leaves.

[von uber]

I'd like the conversation a cannibal's humans arm has with its batarian body.