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[htisscrimbliv]

On paper, to me personally, inquisition sounds like a pretty gruesome game, and i think it would've benefit more for taking this approach. A rift that tears the sky open unleashing demons onto the land caused by a magister lord or whatever the hell he is. And the inquisitor is being interrogated right at the beginning. Opportunity missed iny opinion. I think it would've shown how desperate Cassandra was to find answers if she started to torture you, perhaps threaten to cut some fingers off but the mark knocks her back, that being the way u discover it. Soldiers come in to escort you out to the breach, around 20 or so, and get picked off by demons on the way there. More gore would have been nice, maybe some real kill animations? Anyways you make it to the breach still in chains and Cassandra puts her sword to your neck and tells you to close it. This being where u meet solas. (Varric should be introduced around where hawke is, he already had a full game give some more time for other companions to shine). So u put your hand up close it yata yata. Solas is also a prisoner of Cassandra at this point in time. The game should have focused more on creating a rift( see what i did there) between solas and the new world. More death and chaos wouldve made his motivations more understandable in the long run. So u go with solas and Cassandra to the giant breach and attempt to close it, but demons prevent you from doing so, not lack of power. You're outnumbered 10 to 1 with a few soldiers, cas, and solas to back u up. You've no choice but to retreat. This would show that the breach opening is actually a big deal and give further reason to create the inquisition. At this point you're givin a choice, join or die. The threat is real, and nobody has time to let the one person who can seal it get away. So now youre in haven, inquisition just formed, ready to gather more allies to actually stand a chance at the breach. Another thing i think the game could of benefit from is giving the player a larger sense of hopelessness, U shouldn't win your first time. So you're not going to the hinterlands to talk to mother giselle first, you dont have time for that. There's an impending threat, u need to gather allies and do it fast. My first pick would actually be crestwood. But you go there to recruit the cities soldiers to help you, but in return you need to help them. The whole mayor story is just kinda filler in my opinion, so we'll leave that out for now. The captain of the forces there tells you that a stronghold has been taken by bandits and they want u to help get it back. They tell u they've already hired mercenaries to take it, and you're welcome to go with them, this being where u meet bull and the chargers. So u storm the keep with cas and solas and bull and his men, and put up your flag etc. Now the guards there can focus on helping u seal the breach and u can go do all the sidequests there or whatever. Because i actually quite like the undead story and rift under the lake, we're gonna toss that into the storm coast. Except the way under isnt through a dam and across the lake, you need to go into the deep roads, but we'll get there later. So with your new soldiers and companion you receive a message at haven from both the templars and mages seeking your help. That's right, you're gonna get both. The breach is a big enough threat that just one isnt enough. So here's the thing, the templars being corrupted by red lyrium... Meh, but I'll go with it because i like the fade sequence. Also that's where u meet cole. Now the mage storyline on the other hand... No, Total restructuring necessary. First of all both factions are already fighting demons on the ground, so lets get that out of the way. Now fiona was probably one of the dumbest characters( debatable, remember just my opinion) in inquisition, So let's make things more interesting. Now you go to the hinterlands, ro recruit the mages first, because they're the more desperate ones. But, the hinterlands is actually where all the rebel mages are holding up, and they're fighting off both demons attacking and templars. Upon entering the hinterlands, u see an all out war waging between the mages, templars, and demons. Rifts are randomly opening all over the place( cities included) and both factions are just barely keeping influence in the area. Now here's the thing, neither side is going to attack you here, and you're not going to attack them. Instead, both sides, we're talking 20 or so templars in the area and 15 mages team up with you to close the giant breach that just opened up over the area mother giselle is in. And im gonna stop here for now because my fingers hurt, lemme know if u want more otherwise im not gonna waste anybody's time.

Tldr: game needs to be darker, more evidence of impending doom

[Almostfaceman]

Paragraphs and pithiness are your friend. I see a wall of text like this and my eyes begin to bleed. No offense!

 

[straykat]

Damn man... I wanted to read this post (truly), but then saw the wall o text.

[NoForgiveness]

I'd like a darker story but... from what I read... not this.

[DuskWanderer]

Wall of text, impossible to read. Format it, friend. 

[themikefest]

I just read the title, but the way the game should've went down is for my femquisitor to kill Cory and take the power for herself to rule Thedas with an iron fist.

[sylvanaerie]

First of all, hard to read what you typed, OP as it all mashes together in one giant wall of text, no pauses.  I managed to struggle through it, though, I think.  From what I gather, you wanted a lot of unnecessary combat, little story, little progression, lots of collateral death and frustration when goals have to be postponed to go do X, Y and Z before A can be addressed.  

 

Boring.  If that had been the game I would never have gotten past the prologue.  This isn't 'dark' it's just a frustrating mess.

[lynroy]

First of all, hard to read what you typed, OP as it all mashes together in one giant wall of text, no pauses.  I managed to struggle through it, though, I think.  From what I gather, you wanted a lot of unnecessary combat, little story, little progression, lots of collateral death and frustration when goals have to be postponed to go do X, Y and Z before A can be addressed.  

 

Boring.  If that had been the game I would never have gotten past the prologue.  This isn't 'dark' it's just a frustrating mess.

This.

[straykat]

I just read the title, but the way the game should've went down is for my femquisitor to kill Cory and take the power for herself to rule Thedas with an iron fist.

 

That already happens anyways. Just in a more duplicitious or unintentional manner.

[Realmzmaster]

First of all paragraphs are your friend. This wall of text is a nightmare to read. Also if the all the game projects is hopelessness why would anyone continue. There has to be some hope that something can be done.

 

If a defeat is scripted at the beginning  where is the hope?  Gamers want the possibility of success to be present (which was one of the complaints against DA2 there were to many places where Hawke could not succeed no matter what Hawke did.)

 

Why would the Inquisitor get both mages and templars who have been fighting each other since Kirkwall? Who is going to convince them that the Breach is the bigger threat when the one person who might is dead? The Inquisition is a bunch of nobodies except for Cassandra and Leliana) who have not proven anything to either group.

 

The Breach was created by Corypheus (a senior Magister darkspawn) with the elven artifact. The Inquisitor does not have Corypheus power level and no access to the elven artifact (which has a ton of stored power). The ritual only bestowed the mark not the total power contained in the artifact.

 

The Inquisitor's mark can open and close small rifts, real power or the suppression of that power is necessary for the Inquisitor to be able to seal the breach

 

Also the templars are led by a Lord Seeker who is hell bent on destroying the world and creating a new paradise. Your story just has a lot of combat for no rhyme or reason.

[thats1evildude]

Yeah, Cassandra torturing you would probably put a damper on any potential romance. I can forgive a lot, but I probably wouldn't be keen on a woman who cut my fingers off.

[themikefest]

That already happens anyways. Just in a more duplicitious or unintentional manner.

For you maybe it happens, not for my femquisitor.

[straykat]

For you maybe it happens, not for my femquisitor.

 

It happens everywhere. Good or bad intentioned, you take over more power than Corypheus ever did. You are the ruler of the moment. You can be literally nobody and yet tell people what their most heartfelt beliefs and politics and religion should be. People are literally worshipping you, while he's just some freak who only wishes to be the new "god" of the world. It's why Envy drools just at the thought of taking over your body.

 

You can be noble about it and all that, but it's still a sad position you and the world are put in.

[themikefest]

It happens everywhere. Good or bad intentioned, you take over more power than Corypheus ever did. You are the ruler of the moment. You can be literally nobody and yet tell people what their most heartfelt beliefs and politics and religion should be. People are literally worshipping you, while he's just some chump who only wishes to be the new "god" of the world. It's why Envy drools just at the thought of taking over your body.

 

You can be noble about it and all that, but it's still a sad position you and the world are put in.

I didn't want to close the breach. I wanted the demons to roam throughout Thedas while I ruled over the peasants. I wanted to become a God or in my femquisitors case, a goddess. I wanted complete chaos.

[straykat]

I didn't want to close the breach. I wanted the demons to roam throughout Thedas while I ruled over the peasants. I wanted to become a God or in my femquisitors case, a goddess. I wanted complete chaos.

 

Haha.. Oh, in that case, I guess you failed nvm

 

In terms of..umm.. simple human power though.. Then I think the Inquisitor pulls off what Corypheus never did.

[Ieldra]

I didn't want to close the breach. I wanted the demons to roam throughout Thedas while I ruled over the peasants. I wanted to become a God or in my femquisitors case, a goddess. I wanted complete chaos.

Nah, no need to let the world fall into chaos, but I wanted to close the Breach, defeat Corypheus and then go my own way to explore the Fade with my cool superpower. Or, alternatively, to build that new empire the nameless soldier in Skyhold was talking about. Then came Trespasser.

 

@OP:
I still haven't read your post. Would you mind editing it to make it at least somewhat readable? I don't mind walls of text, but only as long as they're structured.

[Guitar-Hero]

I love weed too. 

[Krypplingz]

Spoiler

On paper, to me personally, the Inquisition sounds like a pretty gruesome game and I think it would've benefited more if it took this approach:
A rift that tears the sky open unleashing demons onto the land caused by a Magister Lord or whatever the hell he is. And the Inquisitor is being interrogated right at the beginning. Opportunity missed in my opinion. I think it would've shown how desperate Cassandra was to find answers if she started to torture you, perhaps threatened to cut some fingers off, but the mark knocks her back, that being the way you discover it.

Soldiers come in to escort you out to the breach, around 20 or so, and get picked off by demons on the way there. More gore would have been nice, maybe some real kill animations?

 

Anyways you make it to the Breach still in chains and Cassandra puts her sword to your neck and tells you to close it. This is where you meet Solas. (Varric should be introduced around where Hawke is, he already had a full game. Give some more time for other companions to shine). So you put your hand up close it yata yata.

Solas is also a prisoner of Cassandra at this point in time. The game should have focused more on creating a rift( see what I did there) between Solas and the new world. More death and chaos would've made his motivations more understandable in the long run. So you go with Solas and Cassandra to the giant breach and attempt to close it, but demons prevent you from doing so, not lack of power. You're outnumbered 10 to 1 with a few soldiers, Cass, and Solas to back you up. You've no choice but to retreat. This would show that the breach opening is actually a big deal and give further reason to create the Inquisition.
At this point you're given a choice, join or die. The threat is real, and nobody has time to let the one person who can seal it get away.

 

So now you're in Haven, inquisition just formed, ready to gather more allies to actually stand a chance at the breach. Another thing I think the game could of benefit from is giving the player a larger sense of hopelessness, you shouldn't win your first time. So you're not going to the Hinterlands to talk to Mother Giselle first, you don't have time for that. There's an impending threat, you need to gather allies and do it fast.

My first pick would actually be Crestwood. But you go there to recruit the cities soldiers to help you, but in return you need to help them. The whole mayor story is just kinda filler in my opinion, so we'll leave that out for now. The captain of the forces there tells you that a stronghold has been taken by bandits and they want you to help get it back. They tell you they've already hired mercenaries to take it, and you're welcome to go with them, this being where you meet Bull and the chargers. So you storm the keep with Cass, Solas, Bull and his men, and put up your flag etc. Now the guards there can focus on helping you seal the breach and you can go do all the side quests there or whatever.

Because I actually quite like the undead story and rift under the lake, we're gonna toss that into the storm coast. Except the way under isn't through a dam and across the lake, you need to go into the deep roads, but we'll get there later.

 

So with your new soldiers and companion you receive a message at Haven from both the templars and mages seeking your help. That's right, you're gonna get both. The breach is a big enough threat that just one isn't enough. So here's the thing, the templars being corrupted by red lyrium... Meh, but I'll go with it because I like the fade sequence. Also that's where you meet Cole.
Now the mage storyline on the other hand... No, Total restructuring necessary. First of all both factions are already fighting demons on the ground, so lets get that out of the way. Now Fiona was probably one of the dumbest characters (debatable, remember just my opinion) in Inquisition, So let's make things more interesting.

Now you go to the Hinterlands, to recruit the mages first, because they're the more desperate ones. But, the Hinterlands is actually where all the rebel mages are holding up, and they're fighting off both demons attacking and templars. Upon entering the Hinterlands, you see an all out war waging between the mages, templars, and demons. Rifts are randomly opening all over the place( cities included) and both factions are just barely keeping influence in the area. Now here's the thing, neither side is going to attack you here, and you're not going to attack them. Instead, both sides, we're talking 20 or so templars in the area and 15 mages team up with you to close the giant breach that just opened up over the area Mother Giselle is in.

And I'm gonna stop here for now because my fingers hurt, lemme know if you want more otherwise I'm not gonna waste anybody's time.

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It has some interesting ideas when the wall of text has been broken down.

I like the idea of getting your butt kicked by the demons in the first rift, since level 1 protagonist beating a pride demon feels rather silly. Remove the disrupt mechanism on the Pride demon and trigger the retreat once the Inquisitor health drops down to 1/8 or something in that direction. Then you can kick him back in the Fade once the Inquisition has gotten stronger. 

I'm iffy on the torture, but having Cassandra considering it would be fine. Despair can create monsters and all that.  

 

Having Bull at Crestwood sounds nice and it would give the charges some more value. Having Rocky blast open the door, Krem and Grim kicking butt and Dalish use arrows, then hint that they would be teaming up with the Inquisition soldiers giving them similar support in later fights. Not sure about having the undead in the Storm Coast. Maybe after you take the fort, the rift opens in Old Crestwood and you can deal with it then, thus also proving that the Inquisitions protection can be damn valuable. 

 

Need to mull a bit more about the mages and templars, but it could work. 

There are some interesting ideas here and it would be curious to know more, even if these changes will never happen. 

[DarkAmaranth1966]

Please learn proper formatting when writing. That wall of text is intolerable and, I cannot bear to read it.

[Majestic Jazz]

Well another criticism of DAI was that it was too clean, soft, and sanitized. A lot of this has to do with the "tell but not show" approach of narrative.

But then again, being "dark" in terms of narrative is not really a signature for Bioware.

[Patchwork]

I think the best thing that could have happened in DAI is for Solas to be revealed as the one behind Cory in the third act and he's the big bad we defeat at the end of the game. 

 

No dragging it out to the next game and DA4 can be a cleanish break from northern Thedas. 

[Samahl na Revas]

Spoiler

On paper, to me personally, the Inquisition sounds like a pretty gruesome game and I think it would've benefited more if it took this approach:
A rift that tears the sky open unleashing demons onto the land caused by a Magister Lord or whatever the hell he is. And the Inquisitor is being interrogated right at the beginning. Opportunity missed in my opinion. I think it would've shown how desperate Cassandra was to find answers if she started to torture you, perhaps threatened to cut some fingers off, but the mark knocks her back, that being the way you discover it.

Soldiers come in to escort you out to the breach, around 20 or so, and get picked off by demons on the way there. More gore would have been nice, maybe some real kill animations?

 

Anyways you make it to the Breach still in chains and Cassandra puts her sword to your neck and tells you to close it. This is where you meet Solas. (Varric should be introduced around where Hawke is, he already had a full game. Give some more time for other companions to shine). So you put your hand up close it yata yata.

Solas is also a prisoner of Cassandra at this point in time. The game should have focused more on creating a rift( see what I did there) between Solas and the new world. More death and chaos would've made his motivations more understandable in the long run. So you go with Solas and Cassandra to the giant breach and attempt to close it, but demons prevent you from doing so, not lack of power. You're outnumbered 10 to 1 with a few soldiers, Cass, and Solas to back you up. You've no choice but to retreat. This would show that the breach opening is actually a big deal and give further reason to create the Inquisition.
At this point you're given a choice, join or die. The threat is real, and nobody has time to let the one person who can seal it get away.

 

So now you're in Haven, inquisition just formed, ready to gather more allies to actually stand a chance at the breach. Another thing I think the game could of benefit from is giving the player a larger sense of hopelessness, you shouldn't win your first time. So you're not going to the Hinterlands to talk to Mother Giselle first, you don't have time for that. There's an impending threat, you need to gather allies and do it fast.

My first pick would actually be Crestwood. But you go there to recruit the cities soldiers to help you, but in return you need to help them. The whole mayor story is just kinda filler in my opinion, so we'll leave that out for now. The captain of the forces there tells you that a stronghold has been taken by bandits and they want you to help get it back. They tell you they've already hired mercenaries to take it, and you're welcome to go with them, this being where you meet Bull and the chargers. So you storm the keep with Cass, Solas, Bull and his men, and put up your flag etc. Now the guards there can focus on helping you seal the breach and you can go do all the side quests there or whatever.

Because I actually quite like the undead story and rift under the lake, we're gonna toss that into the storm coast. Except the way under isn't through a dam and across the lake, you need to go into the deep roads, but we'll get there later.

 

So with your new soldiers and companion you receive a message at Haven from both the templars and mages seeking your help. That's right, you're gonna get both. The breach is a big enough threat that just one isn't enough. So here's the thing, the templars being corrupted by red lyrium... Meh, but I'll go with it because I like the fade sequence. Also that's where you meet Cole.
Now the mage storyline on the other hand... No, Total restructuring necessary. First of all both factions are already fighting demons on the ground, so lets get that out of the way. Now Fiona was probably one of the dumbest characters (debatable, remember just my opinion) in Inquisition, So let's make things more interesting.

Now you go to the Hinterlands, to recruit the mages first, because they're the more desperate ones. But, the Hinterlands is actually where all the rebel mages are holding up, and they're fighting off both demons attacking and templars. Upon entering the Hinterlands, you see an all out war waging between the mages, templars, and demons. Rifts are randomly opening all over the place( cities included) and both factions are just barely keeping influence in the area. Now here's the thing, neither side is going to attack you here, and you're not going to attack them. Instead, both sides, we're talking 20 or so templars in the area and 15 mages team up with you to close the giant breach that just opened up over the area Mother Giselle is in.

And I'm gonna stop here for now because my fingers hurt, lemme know if you want more otherwise I'm not gonna waste anybody's time.

 

 

Thanks Krypplingz I could finally read OP's post. 

 

A darker Dragon Age game is not bad, nor am I sure why DA has moved away from it's darker roots. As for recruiting both Templar and Mages it could of happened. However, the choice between either or was more of a reflection in someway of the inquisitor's black and white view on the war as a whole. I'm certain the writers tried to approach the story from many different foci, but with a varied audience I think it is hard to say which approach would definitely benefit the story most.  

 

For example: That threat to join or die wouldn't work on everyone. It certainly would not work on my inquisitor which by extension of my personality is a mage. And had he been tortured provides corroborated grievances role-played with demanded compensation. O Inquisition, role-playing as a rogue the inquisition would be corrupt at its onset incapable of disbanding.

 

We have the story we are given, played with room for imagination.

[Wulfram]

If you want my character to work with someone, then do not have them torture my character.

Anyway, hopefully Cassandra would be competent enough to realise that torture would be a really bad choice to get reliable information.

[Lord Gunsmith 90]

Paragraphs please.

[sylvanaerie]

Yeah, Cassandra torturing you would probably put a damper on any potential romance. I can forgive a lot, but I probably wouldn't be keen on a woman who cut my fingers off.

 

 

If you want my character to work with someone, then do not have them torture my character.

Anyway, hopefully Cassandra would be competent enough to realise that torture would be a really bad choice to get reliable information.

 

Have to agree with these 100%.
 

Before release, some people were seeing the snippet where Cass pulls a blade on the Inquisitor and flipping out saying she was 'an abusive LI'.  Imagine how much worse the uproar would have been if she actually tortures (or tries to torture) the Inquisitor.  Having 'the mark prevent it' sounds like something out of a really, really bad fanfic.  

I'd also not tolerate her presence near me afterward, let alone as a romantic interest in the story.