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[correctamundo]

OK. Kongelig Danish elves =D.

[Tidus]

Aesir26,Nope.. Just having fun with my thoughts on what a Elf looks like to me.    I never could see a Dalish Elf as being skinny and weak due to their rugged life style. I picture a female Dalish Elf  as being  muscular and still pleasantly pretty.

[Wahed89]

It didn't make sense how they were all so skinny. I mean, that thigh gap though...

[Gwydden]

I think all of their attempts at making elves anything other than lithe humans with pointy ears have been an embarrassing failure. And that's because they were never meant to be anything other than that. They can't change them too much to make them different as that would require some heavy retconning, so they best they can do is give them weird proportions. The result is uncanny and, instead of looking distinct, they just seem like poorly nourished humans with health problems.*

 

For different they'd have to introduce a brand new race, that's conceived from its very origin as such. Trying to remodel existing races is a lost cause and in poor taste. And why the obsession with elves anyway? Dwarves look like short stocky humans. Qunari look like big grey horned humans. Why does no one complain about those?

 

*I have a pretty skinny build myself. I'm still horrified at the way elves look in the latest games, and I'm not keen to play one as a result.

[Tidus]

Gwydden,The Dalish elves look rather healthy and muscular  in DA:O, in DA:2 they look like a alien race from another planet even though they're the same clan that fled North in DA:O and in DA:I they look sickly except Sera..

 

They should have stayed with the look  of the Elves in DA:O.

[Ghost Gal]

I'll allow male elves getting a buffer body build, like Fenris' build in DA2 compared to the male Elven Inquisitor's build in DAI, but otherwise I'd prefer if they didn't redesign the elves again.

 

Many felt DAO's elves just looked like "humans with pointed ears," many felt DA2's elves looked too bizarre, freakish, and/or animesque, so DAI's "more stylized than DAO but not too stylized like DA2" seems like the perfect compromise.

[vertigomez]

I'll allow male elves getting a buffer body build, like Fenris' build in DA2 compared to the male Elven Inquisitor's build in DAI, but otherwise I'd prefer if they didn't redesign the elves again.

Many felt DAO's elves just looked like "humans with pointed ears," many felt DA2's elves looked too bizarre, freakish, and/or animesque, so DAI's "more stylized than DAO but not too stylized like DA2" seems like the perfect compromise.

I 100% agree about the faces. I felt like they hit the mark this time, trying to find a compromise between the initial design and the redesign. When someone posts a screenshot of their Elfquisitor, I don't have to look at their ears to know they're an elf (unlike some people's elven Wardens) but they also don't roll on into the uncanny valley like every DA2 elf minus Fenris and Merrill. It's in their bone structure and their eyes. Considering the absolute **** fit people threw when the elves were reworked in DA2, I'm surprised the devs haven't gotten more kudos for the direction they've since gone...

Anyway, on the topic of bodies I always liked this DA2 concept art. Specifically, the elf guy looks like he has wiry strength but he's nowhere near as buff as the human guy. He's compactly muscled.

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[Aesir26]

I 100% agree about the faces. I felt like they hit the mark this time, trying to find a compromise between the initial design and the redesign. When someone posts a screenshot of their Elfquisitor, I don't have to look at their ears to know they're an elf (unlike some people's elven Wardens) but they also don't roll on into the uncanny valley like every DA2 elf minus Fenris and Merrill. It's in their bone structure and their eyes. Considering the absolute **** fit people threw when the elves were reworked in DA2, I'm surprised the devs haven't gotten more kudos for the direction they've since gone...

Anyway, on the topic of bodies I always liked this DA2 concept art. Specifically, the elf guy looks like he has wiry strength but he's nowhere near as buff as the human guy. He's compactly muscled.

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I have to agree that I felt the faces really hit the mark this time since, like you said, you don't have to look at their ears to be able to distinguish elf from human but also don't go too far like with the DA2 elves.

 

It's really just the bodies that appear to need a bit more work but I think quite a few of the problems were at least partly due to the rigging issues with the model as well as certain proportions possibly being slightly off.

[In Exile]

I 100% agree about the faces. I felt like they hit the mark this time, trying to find a compromise between the initial design and the redesign. When someone posts a screenshot of their Elfquisitor, I don't have to look at their ears to know they're an elf (unlike some people's elven Wardens) but they also don't roll on into the uncanny valley like every DA2 elf minus Fenris and Merrill. It's in their bone structure and their eyes. Considering the absolute **** fit people threw when the elves were reworked in DA2, I'm surprised the devs haven't gotten more kudos for the direction they've since gone...

Anyway, on the topic of bodies I always liked this DA2 concept art. Specifically, the elf guy looks like he has wiry strength but he's nowhere near as buff as the human guy. He's compactly muscled.

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The elf has a pretty natural build - that's e.g. how I'm built. What we got in DAI was akin to a mistreated prisoner of war, with just very unnatural proportions on the waist and shoulders.

[Almostfaceman]

The elf has a pretty natural build - that's e.g. how I'm built. What we got in DAI was akin to a mistreated prisoner of war, with just very unnatural proportions on the waist and shoulders.

 

I don't know, I think the main problem is with some of the armors the upper arms are weirdly bowed inwards. Some of the armors correct this problem, however, while keeping the elven build. If you feel like it try out a variety of the armors, you'll see what I mean. 

[ESTAQ99]

I want DA4 elves look like my Fenris. Strong, muscle but lean at the same time. Please don't bring back those DAI starvation victims with broken arms and oversized heads.....and please fire whoever designed them.

 

 

 

 

An elf like that can carry a huge weapon and truly fight in battle as a warrior. The DAI's elves look like a joke in battle.

 

[Aesir26]

I want DA4 elves look like my Fenris. Strong, muscle but lean at the same time. Please don't bring back those DAI starvation victims with broken arms and oversized heads.....and please fire whoever designed them.

 

 

 

*snip for size*

 

 

An elf like that can carry a huge weapon and truly fight in battle as a warrior. The DAI's elves look like a joke in battle.

 

 

So you basically want a skinnier, hornless Qunari or whatever the actual race is called?

 

I do apologise if I come off as rude. That's just honestly what I'm reminded of when I look at those pictures.

[ESTAQ99]

So you basically want a skinnier, hornless Qunari or whatever the actual race is called?

 

I don't know what made you think that Fenris, on those pictures, looks remotely like a Qunari. Maybe is the fact that Bioware gave almost no choices of hair for the Qunari in DAI so you now think anyone with a mohican hair style must be a Qunari. Is it the color of the skin? There are fair skin elves and dark elves in DA. Is it the fiery eyes? Otherwise I can't find any resemblance between the Fenris on the pictures and a Qunari (well, unless Fenris decides to convert to the Qun. Then he will be a Qunari).

[vertigomez]

"Fenris" really just looks like he has the human body model in those screenshots.

[Aesir26]

I don't know what made you think that Fenris, on those pictures, looks remotely like a Qunari. Maybe is the fact that Bioware gave almost no choices of hair for the Qunari in DAI so you now think anyone with a mohican hair style must be a Qunari. Is it the color of the skin? There are fair skin elves and dark elves in DA. Is it the fiery eyes? Otherwise I can't find any resemblance between the Fenris on the pictures and a Qunari (well, unless Fenris decides to convert to the Qun. Then he will be a Qunari).

 

I'll admit that part of it was the hairstyle although less "anyone with that style must be Qunari" and more "I've seen more Qunari favouring that kind of style compared to other races and so associate it more with them". It's also partly due to the fact that the lighting in the screenshots makes the skin tone look rather greyish since I'm more than aware that elves can have light and dark skin (vanilla Fenris and Merrill being both Exhibit A & B in that regard).

 

Outside of that I would say it's the shape of his ears, head shape, the structure of his brow just over his eyes, and the general overall impression.

 

Although looking at it again I think I will echo vertigomez and add that it looks like they gave him the human body model and added pointy-ish ears.

[correctamundo]

"Fenris" really just looks like he has the human body model in those screenshots.

 

And luckily we're not going back to that. A human with pointy ears or a short Qunari without horns.

[Bhryaen]

Looks like I come down on the "I like DAI elf appearance" side. I played an elf female and loved her proportions as a rogue archer during combat, particularly when she'd spring backwards for the Leaping Shot. I don't think a qunari would look quite so natural bouncing around like Legolas with all that bulk- or even a human. The only issues were the occasional shoulder-concave thingy and that odd bow-legged cowboy walk, and those didn't reflect on the proportions, just the way the models were animated. I suppose I can't vouch for elf males as well since I haven't played one very far yet, but elves are supposed to be thinner than humans anyway- noticeably so, even if not overly so (like DA2). If anything I'd say human females are too thin and dwarf females have far too narrow proportions, but not elf females. As someone above mentioned and I've mentioned before a couple times, Bruce Lee was exceptionally strong but very lean. Anyone looking him over would tend to estimate him perhaps fit but not as strong as he actually was. The guy would casually do one-finger pushups. I see nothing "sickly" or necessarily "weak" about the DAI elf models, though I wouldn't mind more of a toned appearance and somewhat broader shoulders for males. I do recall my elf male seeming at times to be slouching as if depressed- though again, I'm not so sure the problem was with the model proportions as the animations. I agree with vertigomez that of all the races, the designers have shown the most marked improvement in elf models which were quite tastefully done in DAI. After those whatever things they became in DA2, this was an excellent design upgrade and at least signals they weren't wed to the DA2 appearance at all. If elves could use some further tweaking, fine, but they're certainly not lousy.

 

... If anything, elves should look more alien. We're learning their roots and origins, and it's so far away from humans that it seems incredibly implausible that they would look anything like each other...

Yes, elves have definitely finally been given a more interesting nature through DAI's lore, but I wouldn't want to say humans are totally different. After all, humans and elves can both mate and have viable offspring, so they're potentially closer in heritage than might be discernible by appearances. We don't yet know where any of the races came from except elves- and even then it's not quite so explicit. Qunari have pointy ears like elves, so they could be elves with dragonblood in them or something and both dwarves and humans have rounded ears, so maybe they have some very distant shared ancestry as well. Anyway just something to consider...

[BraveVesperia]

I think the elven faces are spot-on in DAI. The male elves' bodies need a little more muscle definition, broader shoulders (no arms clipping into their bodies!) and a less... tube-like torso. I felt like their bodies were cylindrical. Weird. They also need to be a little shorter. Being so skinny doesn't work if they're the same height as a male human, just makes them look gangly and malnourished.

 

All the female body models need more muscle definition though, without a doubt. Female elf needs a little more meat on her. Female dwarf needs less-pointy breasts. You could poke an eye out with those things in DAI.

[kimgoold]

My two cents worth, make the body types for male and female elves based on ballet dancers, lithe and slim but extremely powerful and graceful. But please just give the male elves shoulders - and shoulders wider than their heads for pity sake!. Its just painful to look at, and the only reason Abelas looked so good was the exaggerated shoulder pads of the Sentinel Armour actually made him appear more visually proportionate and thus more appealing.

[Adam Revlan]

While I will agree that the male elves look way too thin, I also hate the fact that if you play any other race, your character has to be extremely muscular.

 

I found it a bit hard to play a male human mage when he is so muscular, especially in his beige skyhold outfit, dude looks like he could be a warrior and fistfight with the best of them, I understand when it's a Qunari since they their males are biologically built that way but for a human it is a bit jarring.

 

The elves need to look better, but I also want them to stay a bit similar, cause if they turn into yet another musclebound race I will find it quite hard to play the game.

 

But they seriously need to fix male elves' arms, they keep sinking into their bodies during cutscenes, it was so immersion breaking. 

[Tidus]

Just for fun I looked up artist renditions of what a Elf is supposed to look like.. The majority was short humanoids with long pointy ears with a  slender  built..

 

I can live with that seeing Dwarves are small humans on steroids.

 

Even at that I would not want a Dalish Elf to look like a Olive Oyl stick model. Their life styles tells a story of a rugged band of roving folk living off the land and used to harsh living conditions in all types of weather including cold and snow unless they escape Ferelden's harsh winters by going North to Orlais or Antiva.