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[Rolenka]

So he spends the whole game trying to get physically into the Fade so he can become a god. The Inquisitor kills his dragon to make him mortal, then... sends him physically into the Fade? Did I miss something here?

[thats1evildude]

The Inquisitor didn't so much send him to the Fade as open a rift in the middle of his body. The Fade consumed him. If he had the Anchor or the orb or even his dragon, he might have survived. But since the Inquisitor took all those things from him, he is now deader than dead.

 

Source: World of Thedas Volume II.

[Ariella]

So he spends the whole game trying to get physically into the Fade so he can become a god. The Inquisitor kills his dragon to make him mortal, then... sends him physically into the Fade? Did I miss something here?

Like using Mark of the Rift in combat, the Inquisitor used the mark to tear Corypheus apart. He didn't go into the Fade whole.

[Qun00]

The Inquisitor didn't so much send him to the Fade as open a rift in the middle of his body. The Fade consumed him. If he had the Anchor or the orb or even his dragon, he might have survived. But since the Inquisitor took all those things from him, he is now deader than dead.

Source: World of Thedas Volume II.

I hadn't realized that.

The Inquisitor has earned a lot of badass points there.

[Ariella]

I hadn't realized that.

The Inquisitor has earned a lot of badass points there.

I wanted to execute Erimond this way, or failing that, send him to the Deep Roads and leave him near the City of the Dead.

[Qun00]

His reaction to Tranquility seems more satisfying than anything else you could've done, really.

[Ariella]

His reaction to Tranquility seems more satisfying than anything else you could've done, really.

That's only an option to a mage, isn't it? I just like the irony of the fact that he claims that the Blight is a tool under his "master's" control. So, let's see how much his master really cares. or doesn't.

[Rolenka]

That's only an option to a mage, isn't it? I just like the irony of the fact that he claims that the Blight is a tool under his "master's" control. So, let's see how much his master really cares. or doesn't.

 

Another good sentence would be corrupting him with darkspawn blood, turning him into a ghoul if he survives. So he can really serve his master. In a cell, of course -- can't have a ghoul running around.

 

And if he doesn't survive, it will give him a lingering, agonizing death. See what he thinks of the Blight then.

[QueenCrow]

So he spends the whole game trying to get physically into the Fade so he can become a god. The Inquisitor kills his dragon to make him mortal, then... sends him physically into the Fade? Did I miss something here?

 

It's something many missed and I had the same question as you after finishing the Corypheus fight.  Here is an answer so that you can decide for yourself:

 

 

    Had Corypheus reached the Fade with his dragon, the mark, and the orb, it is entirely possible that he would have had the strength of will to maintain himself and journey to the Black City to once again offend the will of the Maker.  But he did not, because the Inquisitor, above all else, broke this “Elder One” of his own delusions.  What we witnessed when Corypheus disappeared was not the swagger of a conqueror, but the stumbling of a broken authority.  In his first ascent, Corypheus was cast down by the Maker, perhaps, in his mind, making him worthy of such.  In this second attempt, it was a mortal, the Inquisitor.  Corypheus knew not the absolute certainty of arrogance; he was broken and surely knew doubt.

 

     And it has been written that nothing that knows doubt can survive in the Fade.

 

     Since the Breach, countless rifts have been examined, and the Fade searched by armies of mages in their dreams.  All confirm that in his profound absence, Corypheus is no longer a threat.  He is dead, or what passes for dead when a physical being is consumed by the Fade.

 

Dragon Age: The World of Thedas, Volume 2, p. 247

 

P.S.  I find it irritating that one sometimes has to buy a book or follow people on Twitter in order for a game we've invested in to make any sense.

[Ariella]

It's something many missed and I had the same question as you after finishing the Corypheus fight.  Here is an answer so that you can decide for yourself:
 
 
P.S.  I find it irritating that one sometimes has to buy a book or follow people on Twitter in order for a game we've invested in to make any sense.

I'm having trouble wrapping my head around the fact that people needed to reference WoT for this.

I honestly don't mean to sound condescending, and if I do, I apologize. But the IQ used Mark of the Rift, which pretty much rends things, demons, and people apart. I don't understand why there would be a question of what happened to him.

But then I admit, I'm strange and slightly obsessive so... YMMV

[QueenCrow]

I'm having trouble wrapping my head around the fact that people needed to reference WoT for this.

I honestly don't mean to sound condescending, and if I do, I apologize. But the IQ used Mark of the Rift, which pretty much rends things, demons, and people apart. I don't understand why there would be a question of what happened to him.

But then I admit, I'm strange and slightly obsessive so... YMMV

In my opinion, one shouldn't need to reference World of Thedas - it should be made clear in game, in my opinion - but I recall reading pages of speculation on threads about a year ago regarding what happened to Corypheus, indicating that there were a number of people who wondered what happened.  The Inquisitor saying "You wanted to go to the fade!..." and then using the rift gave some the impression that the Inquisitor sent Corypheus to the Fade in the manner that the mark was able to transport the Inquisitor, Hawke/Stroud/Alastair/Loghain and group into the Fade.  I had that impression from the final scene..

 

World of Thedas seems to offer support to the idea that Corypheus was sent to the Fade and further elaborates that he was thereby consumed as any creature who knows doubt is consumed in the Fade.

 

Personally, I like the Mark of the Rift theory.

[Ariella]

In my opinion, one shouldn't need to reference World of Thedas - it should be made clear in game, in my opinion - but I recall reading pages of speculation on threads about a year ago regarding what happened to Corypheus, indicating that there were a number of people who wondered what happened.  The Inquisitor saying "You wanted to go to the fade!..." and then using the rift gave some the impression that the Inquisitor sent Corypheus to the Fade in the manner that the mark was able to transport the Inquisitor, Hawke/Stroud/Alastair/Loghain and group into the Fade.  I had that impression from the final scene..
 
World of Thedas seems to offer support to the idea that Corypheus was sent to the Fade and further elaborates that he was thereby consumed as any creature who knows doubt is consumed in the Fade.
 
Personally, I like the Mark of the Rift theory.

It seems to me that with the Mark, the Inquisitor can open/close rifts, can also bring people through safely (during the fall at Adamant there's a weird second layer that peels back. It's damned hard to see but there's a secondary ripple), and then it can tear people/demons etc apart. How it works is up to the IQ. The last seems to be somewhat like a blackhole. The forces are just too powerful and rip a person apart. Which is also why you just can't walk through a tear, I'd think.

[thats1evildude]

I get that it can be a little ambigious, but I would say that Corypheus' shout of NOOOOOOOOOO as he disappears into the Fade and the fact that everyone keeps saying he's pining for the fjords should be enough to conclude the matter is settled. WOT just erases any possible doubt that Corypheus could return. "No, he dead. In fact, he super-dead. He deader than disco. He deader than Elvis, Tupac and Biggie combined."

[QueenCrow]

I get that it can be a little ambigious, but I would say that Corypheus' shout of NOOOOOOOOOO and the fact that everyone keeps saying he's pining for the fjords should be enough to conclude the matter is settled. WOT just erases any possible doubt that Corypheus could return. "No, he dead. In fact, he super-dead. He deader than disco. He deader than Elvis, Tupac and Biggie combined."

 

I, too, recognize that this scene can be a little ambiguous, thereby making it easy to understand why people such as the OP (and me too) ask the question.  I also know that human beings are very good at filling in the blanks with answers that they accept as truths and Bioware is very slick about grandstanding reveals that don't fit with peoples' head-canons.

 

I want the answer to be super-dead, deader than dead, torn apart, dismembered so badly that Corypheus could never put his face back together if he was ever again inclined to show it.  But I'd spent a great portion of DA:I listening to characters (Varric and Hawke mostly) say they were sure Corypheus was deader than dead. "He didn't just seem dead, he was dead."  And then he came back.  So I wanted more evidence than my wishful thinking.

 

Then, in those speculation threads, some people openly wondered what would happen if the Inquisitor sent Corypheus to the Fade in which they'd left a Warden, and based upon what happened in game, those people were right to wonder.

 

World of Thedas offers an answer that seems to support your premise - "Corypheus is dead, or what passes for dead."  ~points up to the quote~

[Tainted]

The Inquisitor didn't so much send him to the Fade as open a rift in the middle of his body. The Fade consumed him. If he had the Anchor or the orb or even his dragon, he might have survived. But since the Inquisitor took all those things from him, he is now deader than dead.
 
Source: World of Thedas Volume II.

Thanks for the source reference

[Iakus]

The Inquisitor didn't so much send him to the Fade as open a rift in the middle of his body. The Fade consumed him. If he had the Anchor or the orb or even his dragon, he might have survived. But since the Inquisitor took all those things from him, he is now deader than dead.

 

Source: World of Thedas Volume II.

In addition, WoT also mentions how without the Mark, you need an extreme amount of focus and sense of identity to keep yourself whole in the Fade, or it's ever-changing nature will destroy your identity.  The Inquisitor broke Corypheus' focus in denying him the Eluvian in the Arbor WIlds, killing his dragon, then smacking him around.  As noted by his crying out for Dumat in the end.  That supreme arrogance, that belief in himself and his own immortality may have been enough to protect him from the Fade long enough to reach the Black City (maybe).  But broken as he was, he would be torn apart.

 

THis is, after all, a story about belief 

[ComedicSociopathy]

So he spends the whole game trying to get physically into the Fade so he can become a god. The Inquisitor kills his dragon to make him mortal, then... sends him physically into the Fade? Did I miss something here?

 

The Inquisitor really loves irony when it comes to defeating ancient evils.