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[spinachdiaper]

I don't want a villain, I want an antagonist who has noble intentions, no desire for malice, and is misguidedly pursuing the wrong path for the right reasons. The enemy you can sympathize and empathize with, one that you will feel bad about stopping.  

[Mr.House]

I don't want a villain, I want an antagonist who has noble intentions, no desire for malice, and is misguidedly pursuing the wrong path for the right reasons.

This is Bioware, they can't even do cartoon villains like Coryfish right.

[Mdizzletr0n]

I don't want a villain, I want an antagonist who has noble intentions, no desire for malice, and is misguidedly pursuing the wrong path for the right reasons. The enemy you can sympathize and empathize with, one that you will feel bad about stopping.

You want The Operative.

[Il Divo]

^Serenity reference?

[Mdizzletr0n]

Absolutely.

[DanishViking]

I hope so too since DA:I had a horrible villain

[BioWareM0d13]

It presumably wouldn't fit the story for Andromeda, but I'd like to see an antagonist in one of Bioware's future games that isn't a villain, has a close personal connection with the protagonist, and doesn't want to be the player character's enemy. It is only the events of the story that have put them into reluctant opposition to the other. 

 

A good example would be something similar to the relationship between Michael Sullivan (Tom Hanks) and John Rooney (Paul Newman) in Road to Perdition.

 

 

 

I think it might be interesting to have a finale where the player ends up conflicted about the antagonist's death, and maybe even mourning him or her.

[Miserybot]

What about, like, an armada of giant robotic space squids whose sole intent is to neutralize all life in the galaxy? That sounds interesting.

[malloc]

Can we have someone like Vaylin. We just saw her few times and she is already thousand times better villain than Coryfish.
 
I killed 3 knight because they failed me, and then I killed 3 more because I hate odd numbers.  
And her brother is great also,

Spoiler

I was like did he actually just killed me

This character is one huge edgefest. It is like the writer was reading colesteel nothing personal kid

[Vortex13]

Frankly I'd call us refugees or even migrant workers, but for all the shooting we'll be doing. Shooting at Andromedons, inevitably. A LOT OF SHOOTING. Possibly at protheans and Asari too, but they're 50,000 years invested now in the galaxy now.

 

 

Yeah and this makes me concerned for the quality of villains in ME:A, BioWare lately hasn't really been known for their subtlety or nuance. 

 

Even with travelers from the Milky Way being refugees from a genocidal war, we are still an alien society that is going to Andromeda with the intentions of establishing permanent colonies. At the very least, that is a morally grey storyline. Are we not in our rights to want to have a safe place to raise our children? And aren't the natives well within their rights to defend themselves from an alien invasion? The description of aliens like the Khet from the supposed leak have me worried that BioWare is not going to go with the balanced and nuanced approach regarding such a situation. 

 

By all accounts, the Khet sound like Andromeda's "Not Batarians", that they will launched unprovoked attacks on our colonies, thereby excusing the player of any moral issues when we proceed to shoot hundreds of them in the face. That, combined with BioWare's unwillingness to paint humanity as a whole in any sort of questionable light worries me that humans will likely be absolved of any possible wrongdoing in Andromea and be portrayed as the white knights of the narrative.

[N7Jamaican]

Harbinger being the big bad in ME2, to being diminished in ME3 in favor of TIM was upsetting.  Saren was great, and defeating him was satisfying.  I would love something like that in ME:A.

[Inkvisiittori]

What about someone like Hunter from SWTOR? Someone whose motivations aren't immediately clear to you. Someone who's not what they seem. And you are trying to figure out who they are loyal to? This would not be the main villain of the game, but rather someone who secretly works for them. Like Darth Vader or Kylo Ren. Also if the game is going to be first part of trilogy I would like this character to have long story arc. Maybe in the first game they help us with some mission only to betray us later. Then in the next game we start as enemies, but some big bad forces us to join forces once again. And in the final game the final confrontation happens. Maybe depending on our choices throughout the games we can then choose to either fight him/her to death, convert them to help us against their former boss or maybe simply have them leave or something like that. I would also like some flirt options for this character to be available (not true romance though) and really have the relationship we have to this character impact the story.

[potentialfood]

I think it might be interesting to have a finale where the player ends up conflicted about the antagonist's death, and maybe even mourning him or her.

 

Or have the option to spare him/her but may be left conflicted if leaving them to live was the right choice... like a certain DA:O character

[wright1978]

I want an antagonist on a par with Saren.

[Nab20]

I liked Master Mirror he was creepy, mysterious and funny at the same time.

 

 

 

Dat scene 

 

Spoiler

[Vortex13]

While I might not know exactly what I am looking for in a good villain, I know what I don't want to see. Namely, an antagonist that has 99.9999% of their backstory and motivation revealed through second hand media sources, like novels or comics.  

 

Villains like Kia Leng, or Halo 4's Didect.

[Fiery Phoenix]

While I might not know exactly what I am looking for in a good villain, I know what I don't want to see. Namely, an antagonist that has 99.9999% of their backstory and motivation revealed through second hand media sources, like novels or comics.  

 

Villains like Kia Leng, or Halo 4's Didect.

Kai Leng was the lamest BioWare villain in recent memory. Which is hugely disappointing considering how hardcore he was in the novels.

[Joseph Warrick]

Like in Avatar. WE ARE THE *REAL* MONSTERS. Dun dun dunnnnnn. Now start sorting your rubbish.

[Vortex13]

Kai Leng was the lamest BioWare villain in recent memory. Which is hugely disappointing considering how hardcore he was in the novels.

 

 

Which is exactly my point. Developers shouldn't design characters around the expectation that every one of their fans will consume all forms of media that their franchise appears in. Even if I read the books that Kia Leng appears in, I shouldn't have to relay on that knowledge when he appears in-game.

 

Dumping all the exposition for a villain into a novel or comic is just lazy (IMO) and leads to massive disconnects from the players on why they should care about said character, or why they are such a threat. Plus there's that level of implied pretentiousness when a developer uses the tie in novel or comics as a crutch to avoid criticism. "If you were a real fan, you would have read everything and know what we're talking about."

[Inkvisiittori]

Like in Avatar. WE ARE THE *REAL* MONSTERS. Dun dun dunnnnnn.

 

Hah. So long as I'm not forced to side with the aliens. 

[Joseph Warrick]

Hah. So long as I'm not forced to side with the aliens.

Purge the xenos.

[CptFalconPunch]

I don't want a villain, I want an antagonist who has noble intentions, no desire for malice, and is misguidedly pursuing the wrong path for the right reasons. The enemy you can sympathize and empathize with, one that you will feel bad about stopping.  

 

Do I hear... Saren?

[CptFalconPunch]

Like in Avatar. WE ARE THE *REAL* MONSTERS. Dun dun dunnnnnn. Now start sorting your rubbish.

 

Well, most of the humans on pandora were definently monsters.

[MrFob]

Do I hear... Saren?

 

While I think Saren was definitely one of the better antagonists in BW games, I don't think he fit the bill for this very well.

 

While Saren may not be entirely evil in his intentions he is always very evil in all the actions we see of him. Of course, this has to do with him being indoctrinated which also takes away from the noble intentions, which are very clear to just be a smoke screen for indoctrination from the first moment we hear them on Virmire.

 

Even before being indoctrinated, Saren was a bastard (which everyone who read Revelation will know). Thus, it seems to me more like Saren's "nobility" was more caused by the indoctrination, a twisting of his mind than anything that genuinely originated out of his own character.

 

At least that was my impression. I would like a villain to have truly good intentions (or at least motivations where we can argue about whether the measures we as the protagonist would have to take to stop him are justified).

[Arppis]

I'd like to have "villain" that's involved in the struggle of the main characters. And him/her to have good motives to do what he/she does.