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[aisyla]

I like tempest for DW and assassin for an archer. Artificer is really fun too. Though I haven't played as DW artificer yet. I just love rogues.

[Disco Overlord]

I find either Tempest or Artificer is the way to go for DW.  Assassin is decent too, but is incredibly squishy as they only have stealth to help survive.

 

Artificer can abuse the mines and cooldown reduction just like an archer does, but still can't exactly take too many hits unlike the Tempest; but with Fallback Plan you can a little bit!  I feel like it's suitable for a more fast-paced high-risk high-reward playstyle.  Especially on high difficulties, you can easily get one-shotted if you're not careful!  But at least you have Fallback Plan unlike assassin.  It also requires a bit of min/maxing and crafting for crit chance.

 

However, I still absolutely love the tempest DW for its versatility.  The flasks give DW so many options!  Frost gives DW's a chance to actually tank/duel with melee (especially with a well-timed frost flask vs bears, enemy 2-handers with AOE attacks) and easy combos, fire for the insane burst (flask of fire+deathblow is absolutely nuts against low health bosses), and lightning for its utility (revive allies!  channel rifts to stun demons!).  I feel the  only downside is choosing what abilities to fit in your measly 8-ability bar.

[KennedyCZW]

i play all 3 specialisation ,i would say assassain>artificer> tempest , people often say assassain squishy because they haven't try it new toggle skill -no witness upgrade for hidden blade ,it an AOE skill which hit hidden blade 4hit on every enemies and with all crit new stealth toggle all your hit in 3sec are 100% crit ,even if the enemy survive ,their hp remains either 25~50%,then you just flank to go back stealth and use whatever remain skills you have ,and the topic is DW rogue ,not archer ,articer in DW-dagger doesn't have NO COOL-DOWN ,I have 100% crit chance and for tempest , the only usefull skill would be flask of fire and flask of lightning and all passive are totally useless ,while thousand cut is not spam-able and if you are inquisitor you have mark of rift ,there no point taking 2focus ability into battle ... 

[PawsPause]

i play all 3 specialisation ,i would say assassain>artificer> tempest , people often say assassain squishy because they haven't try it new toggle skill -no witness upgrade for hidden blade ,it an AOE skill which hit hidden blade 4hit on every enemies and with all crit new stealth toggle all your hit in 3sec are 100% crit ,even if the enemy survive ,their hp remains either 25~50%,then you just flank to go back stealth and use whatever remain skills you have ,and the topic is DW rogue ,not archer ,articer in DW-dagger doesn't have NO COOL-DOWN ,I have 100% crit chance and for tempest , the only usefull skill would be flask of fire and flask of lightning and all passive are totally useless ,while thousand cut is not spam-able and if you are inquisitor you have mark of rift ,there no point taking 2focus ability into battle ...

I know this is based on opinion, but actually a DW artificer can use Opportunity Knocks. It's a universal passive, not just for archers. And you say all other passives are useless for DW tempest?

https://m.youtube.co...h?v=itG_SqTg_7o

Also check out StarFlorge DW tempest. Very viable on nightmare with trials on. Flask of frost is a must for close combat if you're taking on enemies head on. Mind you they both don't exploit power amulets...

[KennedyCZW]

I know this is based on opinion, but actually a DW artificer can use Opportunity Knocks. It's a universal passive, not just for archers. And you say all other passives are useless for DW tempest?

https://m.youtube.co...h?v=itG_SqTg_7o

Also check out StarFlorge DW tempest. Very viable on nightmare with trials on. Flask of frost is a must for close combat if you're taking on enemies head on. Mind you they both don't exploit power amulets...

 

yes ,I know it a universal passive but you couldn't reach no cool-down in DW rogue , even with 100% crit chance but throwing blade and spinning blade just cant reach no cool down

[PawsPause]

yes ,I know it a universal passive but you couldn't reach no cool-down in DW rogue , even with 100% crit chance but throwing blade and spinning blade just cant reach no cool down

Where are you getting your evidence that you can't reach no cooldown? With auto attacks between active powers plus Masterworks on your weapons and armor, your powers should reset. It's the same amount of time for archers aswell. Leaping shots arrows don't always hit the targets giving you instant cooldown you know. Elemental mines should reset your powers when fighting mobs.

[actionhero112]

Assassin/Tempest.

 

I tend to view daggers as the superior weapon type for a couple reasons.

 

1. Sneak attack requires to only get 50% crit chance maximum if you're good at microing your pc. While an archer has to invest heavily in crit chance to get the same level of crit chance. Instead of wasting that crit chance, dagger rogues can go into damage, making them hit harder.

 

2. More masterwork slots. 

 

3. Right now the stone stalker blade schematic out damages 24 metal bow schematics. What does that mean? Simply put, 24 bow schematics are the best bows in the game, they offer the most crit chance out of all bows. The best dagger has a higher base than the best bows. This is important for skills like hidden blades. 

 

4. DW rogues should always be flanking, so innately they get the most benefit out of flanking passives like the Deepstalker sigil, aka the best damage sigil in the game. 

 

5. Shorter skill animations. Both the tempest and the assassin have abilities in which you want to use as many of your skills as possible(Flask of Fire/Mark of Death). The relatively long animations of full draw and leaping shot are a hindrance in this regard.

 

6. The best boss killing weapon, the bosun's blade is uniquely only available to DW rogues. While impractical for mobbing, this dagger gives a 500% damage bonus when attacking from behind, which is insane. 

 

7. More detonators. For a class like the tempest, in which you freeze enemies repeatedly around you, it's incredibly useful to have a detonator that resets on kill. The DW tree has two, the Archery tree has one. 

 

The only spec I think that archers do better in is the artificer tree, just because of the focus ability. Also, as mentioned, the Archer rogues are safer than DW rogues, if you're not good at microing. 

[robertmarilyn]

Tempest then Assassin. I'm playing a Tempest DW again, right now. 

[TheInvoker]

Tempest was my first choice then i tried assassin

i made totally different builds

-Tempest was like a melee warrior with more damage and mobility and ofc less defense

-Highest DPS i have ever reached with any character i played

-But after some time it was a bit boring

 

Assassin has less DPS but much more burst since you can build critical damage instead of critical chace so your abilties suring stealth will do HUGE damage

Stealsh approach,oneshot enemy mage or archers,reset stealth CD on kill is also great

When stealth is on CD send enemy to sleep and get auto crits

Sometimes i had to wait for my CD just doing nothing but i like this style....burst 50000 damage in 5s (just saying a random number) and wait for next 5s rather than stay in the fight whole time and do just a bit more damage

 

Never tried artificer but i would build more like a tempest (high critical chance) to have CD reduction and spam abilities,while tempest is based more on auto attacks

[KennedyCZW]

 

Tempest was my first choice then i tried assassin

i made totally different builds

-Tempest was like a melee warrior with more damage and mobility and ofc less defense

-Highest DPS i have ever reached with any character i played

-But after some time it was a bit boring

 

Assassin has less DPS but much more burst since you can build critical damage instead of critical chace so your abilties suring stealth will do HUGE damage

Stealsh approach,oneshot enemy mage or archers,reset stealth CD on kill is also great

When stealth is on CD send enemy to sleep and get auto crits

Sometimes i had to wait for my CD just doing nothing but i like this style....burst 50000 damage in 5s (just saying a random number) and wait for next 5s rather than stay in the fight whole time and do just a bit more damage

 

Never tried artificer but i would build more like a tempest (high critical chance) to have CD reduction and spam abilities,while tempest is based more on auto attacks

 if you completed assassin and tempest ,I highly recommend you try archery artificer ,it a lot of fun , basically you keep on use hook and tackle and leaping shot ,buff skill optional- poisonous weapon and stealth ...there is no cool-down compare with DW artificer ...

[TheInvoker]

archer is not something i like....for me it's enough to use varric and sera when i want to change but i won't do an inquisitor archer

[Aeratus]

Tempest is tedious, but is my preferred choice because I think it is the most effective for dw at higher difficulty settings. With nightmare + walk softly, there are lots of enemies in JoH that can one-shot you through max barrier, guard, and health. Tempest has the best survivability against one-shotters, due to flask of frost and flask of lightning (I use 5 sec walking fortress + fade cloak masterwork, so flask of lightning buys time to proc).