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[Kroitz]

Milky way, schnilky may.

 

It´s just a star cluster like andromeda.

 

Why does it matter if planet ziggypop-bloin is in the milky way or not?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Milky way, schnilky may.

 

It´s just a star cluster like andromeda.

 

Why does it matter if planet ziggypop-bloin is the milky way or not?

Because going to Andromeda breaks the lore of Mass Effect in all but a few cases, because it means none of the iconic locations will be within a million light years, etc. 

[Kroitz]

Just invent new fake locations.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Just invent new fake locations.

Those places wouldn't have anywhere near the same importance as the old places to the races of the Milky Way. And what about the broken lore(unless they go with one of the few routes that doesn't kill it), the backbone of any franchise? 

[Kroitz]

If those places don't play a part in the next chapter they aren't important. Just like the places we never got to visit again during the old trilogy.

 

Why is the lore broken?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

If those places don't play a part in the next chapter they aren't important. Just like the places we never got to visit again during the old trilogy.

 

Why is the lore broken?

Yes, because for example Rannoch had no importance for the Quarians in Mass Effect 1 and 2 when it wasn't even in those games. 

 

For starters, we have no ships that can get to Andromeda. 

[Kroitz]

Was you getting to Rannoch of any relevance during ME1 and ME2? Nope. That's why it wasn't there. Rather simple.

 

If you don´t have a fictional thing to get you to a thingy, you make up a new thing.

[EliotNesss]

@ Kroitz who said:

"Was you getting to Rannoch of any relevance during ME1 and ME2? Nope. That's why it wasn't there. Rather simple.

 

If you don´t have a fictional thing to get you to a thingy, you make up a new thing."

 

Exactly! Why some folks are obsessing over a fictional world with absolutes like fixed canon, Fixed lore perspective is just baffling. Sorry folks. Every single assumption in a science fiction world is always in play for change. If folks can't accept that. They are in line for a very frustrating future with gaming in general. Hell! In real life, even the Super Bowl is not a fixed, cooked book. Or they wouldn't play it every year.

[AlanC9]

Ideally I'd want them to just admit the endings were a mistake and promise to disregard them when making future Mass Effect games so that the Milky Way storyline can continue. But honestly, I'd be satisfied with BioWare just having an open discussion about the endings with the fans where they explain their design decisions, why they thought the endings they shipped were a good idea, if they at any level expected them to be well received by the fans and why they felt the need to completely destroy everything they built up over the course of the trilogy in the last 5 minutes of the game and make it infinitely more difficult for new games to be set in the Milky Way.
 
We have never actually heard BioWare's side of it, besides the oft repeated "We stick by our artistic integrity." All that means is that they stand by their decision and refuse to talk about it, which is about as mature as a 3 year old refusing to eat his veggies.

That would be an interesting conversation, all right. But I don't see how having that conversation would necessarily change the next ME game.

[Iakus]

Milky way, schnilky may.

 

It´s just a star cluster like andromeda.

 

Why does it matter if planet ziggypop-bloin is the milky way or not?

 

Scifi Writers Have No Sense of Scale

[Canned Bullets]

Yes, because for example Rannoch had no importance for the Quarians in Mass Effect 1 and 2 when it wasn't even in those games. 

 

For starters, we have no ships that can get to Andromeda. 

 

If this game takes like a few hundred years in the future then they might have the technology to go travel far distances so quickly, or the Ark theory is true which I'm hoping it isn't.

 

Yeah I'm disappointed that the 4th Mass Effect won't explore the Milky Way at all. If you ask me there's still so much to explore in the Milky Way.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

If this game takes like a few hundred years in the future then they might have the technology to go travel far distances so quickly, or the Ark theory is true which I'm hoping it isn't.

 

Yeah I'm disappointed that the 4th Mass Effect won't explore the Milky Way at all. If you ask me there's still so much to explore in the Milky Way.

Yeah, if the trip to Andromeda begins after the Reaper War then it is possible since that gives our cycle time to reverse-engineer Reaper tech, including solving the drive discharge issue like the Reapers have. Or if before or during the Reaper War the trip could work if they use Reaper tech, like a captured Black Ark/Collector Cruiser.

 

Agreed. Plus even the bit we have explored had so much more potential to it. 

[Arcian]

That would be an interesting conversation, all right. But I don't see how having that conversation would necessarily change the next ME game.

It wouldn't. It would provide fans with an understanding of why BioWare did what they did.

[SSV TBILISI]

no but i want see it from distance

[Black Jimmy]

Maybe we'll see them leaving the Milky Way near the beginning.

 

Other than that, I'm happy to leave it behind. It carries with it to much baggage that would negatively impact an attempt a creating a new story. I'd still like to be able to import a few of the major decisions made in the original trilogy that get referenced. Especially the whole Genophage thing and whether the Geth/Quarians are alive. Maybe through a web app like the Dragon Age Keep.

 

[Chealec]

....

 

Yeah I'm disappointed that the 4th Mass Effect won't explore the Milky Way at all. If you ask me there's still so much to explore in the Milky Way.

 

So, which ending do you want to canonise?

[themikefest]

I would canonize destroy

 

Or have Bioware choose a different ending that's not red, blue or green

[AlanC9]

It wouldn't. It would provide fans with an understanding of why BioWare did what they did.

Yeah, that makes sense. What confused me was "They have basically sacrificed the entire galaxy and every iconic place, every iconic plot, every single iconic goddamn thing in it that made the trilogy so good, just to avoid having to take a stance on the endings," which implies that taking a stance would somehow change how they're handling the sequel.

[Iakus]

I would canonize destroy

 

Or have Bioware choose a different ending that's not red, blue or green

+1 on the latter

[Chealec]

I would canonize destroy

 

Or have Bioware choose a different ending that's not red, blue or green

 

They've already refused to change the ending once, merely elaborated on it (with the EC) - so option 2 is a non-starter.

[AlanC9]

No harm in asking for a blatant retcon, though, even if Bio will simply refuse to do it.I agree that the probability is just about zero, thankfully.

[EliotNesss]

@Alanc9 who said:

"Yeah, that makes sense. What confused me was "They have basically sacrificed the entire galaxy and every iconic place, every iconic plot, every single iconic goddamn thing in it that made the trilogy so good, just to avoid having to take a stance on the endings," which implies that taking a stance would somehow change how they're handling the sequel."

 

IMO they didn't take a definitive stance on an ending for a simple reason. Nothing ended in any of the choices. Every single ending is MW "Canon". From a future perspective. Which is a great thing IMO. Because I think it suggests where they really want this entire Mass Effect story to go. The real end or real new beginning will come in the future, when the Andromeda Galaxy is fated to collide with the Milky Way Galaxy. That is a scientific fact, that I believe the entire Mass Effect saga is based on. They needed a completely new and clean slate to create a fresh story canvas for this potentially brilliant scenario. The real ending to the MW mystery won't be answered until the 3rd or 4th new trilogy installment IMO. Where anyone should be able to resurrect and continue on in a new journey from the remnant of whichever decision he/she made in ME-MW Trilogy, or ME-A Trilogy. Because both galaxies would have been obliterated and evolved into one new "Super Galaxy". And who knows what the underlying intelligence is for that kind of creation. IMO, some major hints will come in Mass Effect Andromeda.

[Chealec]

... The real end or real new beginning will come in the future, when the Andromeda Galaxy is fated to collide with the Milky Way Galaxy. That is a scientific fact, that I believe the entire Mass Effect saga is based on ...

 
You know that's going to take about 4 billion years right? By which time the Sun will be extinguished and Earth nothing but a barren rock (or previously absorbed into the Sun) and every single species that exists now or in the "near" future (ME timeline) will be extinct or have evolved into something else, humanity included.

[Vespervin]

I find it hard to imagine where humanity will be in 500 years, let alone 4 billion years! I mean, just look at how far we've come over the past 100 years.

[EliotNesss]

@chealec:

What's a few billion years to an immortal God like Shepard? Or beings like Reapers and Leviathan? Lol

For that matter. What are 4 billion years? You are speaking and thinking about this entirely from the aspect of a terrestrial Earth perspective. And within the constraints of time and life as defined by Earth years/months/weeks/days/minutes/seconds and etc. A galaxy that travels and organizes itself around faster than light physics, Mass Relays, Life in dark space, would exist around completely different references for space, time continuums. What would 4 billion years evn mean for an Asarian or Geth? Your response suggests that you are thinking about the looming Milky Way & Andromeda dustup purely from an Earthly human perspective, circa 1950-2015 timeframe. Certainly not from a Mass Effect viewpoint.