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[The_Mac23]

If Hawke had replaced the Inquisitor? For story's sake?

So much of Inquisition feels like it is linked to him/her. From Varric and Cassandra, to red lyrium, to the Mage and Templar war, to Corypheus. Even our quests with Feynriel in 2 could have been tied with Solas and the Fade. It felt like a sequel with a random person taking lead. Almost like playing Mass Effect 3 without being Shepard.

What do you all think? Would it have gelled better with this setup? I seriously believe it would have, and I would easily have sacrificed this for playing as a different race

[The_Mac23]

Heck, even if Feynriel had replaced Solas.. And still kept the same story as our Lex Luthor elf

[Sunnie]

If Hawke had replaced the Inquisitor? For story's sake?

[Andraste_Reborn]

I think Hawke had too much baggage to make them a good protagonist for DAI. I'd have wanted to see all five of the love interests, just for starters, and their sibling if alive, and if everyone else is visiting then Aveline might as well drop in too. That doesn't leave much room for other returning characters.

 

I strongly prefer getting a new character for each installment. I'd rather have someone different save the country/city/world each time, and I love having race selection back.

[Regan_Cousland]

I would have loved the option to make Hawke my inquisitor, the same way you can continue as the Hero of Ferelden in Awakening or choose a new Orlesian Commander. I'm pretty sure I would have made Hawke the Herald in my canon playthrough were it possible. I love Hawke as a character, despite DA2's shortcomings.

I don't think there's an inherent narrative problem with Hawke not being the inquisitor, though. Either way works.

 

In fact, some might say it's a bit unrealistic that Hawke -- of all people -- would be the one to survive the explosion at the temple of Sacred Ashes. That'd be some pretty good luck as far as Thedas is concerned. Out of everyone who could possibly stumble upon Coryphesus's secret meeting and acquire the anchor, it just so happens to be the Champion of Kirkwall -- the person Cassandra already had pegged for inquisitor. lol

 

Varric (after laughing uncontrollably): "Welllll, sh!t. Everyone else at the temple is pulverized but, of course, you acquire a magical mark that makes you the one and only possible saviour of Thedas."

WittyHawke: "Well, y'know ... that 'Champion of Kirkwall' title was starting to bore me. I felt like being the 'Herald of Andraste' for a while. Just to annoy Sebastian."

Varric: "What's next week's title? 'Hawke -- Grand High Paragon of All Remaining Dwarven Thaigs, Because ... Reasons'?"

WittyHawke: "Why not. Assuming 'Undisputed Master of Orlais and All Well-Dressed Peoples of the World' isn't available."

Varric; "Ha! Life never gets boring when you're around, Hawke."

 

[Ghost Gal]

NO!

 

Don't even think it.

 

Among other things, all the revelations of elven history and lore (which makes up the entire second half of the game and most of 2/3 story-based DLC) would NEVER have meant HALF as much to a required human noble. The story for a Dalish Inquisitor going through Inquisition and Trespasser (particularly a female elf who romances Solas) is far superior than anything than Hawke could deliver as far as I'm concerned.

 

Heck, race selection in general trumps anything Hawke could possibly offer as far as I'm concerned. Qunari Inquisitor? That alone is better than Hawke. No comparison.

[actionhero112]

Yeah probably.

 

If you think that the Inquisitor should be in the next game to deal with Solas, then it's hypocritical to think that Hawke shouldn't have been in this game to deal with Corypheus. 

[vbibbi]

NO!

 

Don't even think it.

 

Among other things, all the revelations of elven history and lore (which makes up the entire second half of the game and most of 2/3 story-based DLC) would NEVER have meant HALF as much to a required human noble. The story for a Dalish Inquisitor going through Inquisition and Trespasser (particularly a female elf who romances Solas) is far superior than anything than Hawke could deliver as far as I'm concerned.

 

Heck, race selection in general trumps anything Hawke could possibly offer as far as I'm concerned. Qunari Inquisitor? That alone is better than Hawke. No comparison.

I don't think the race selection was that great. It was obvious that it was tacked on once most of the game was finished, so any racial differences were band-aids on top of the game rather than an in depth realignment of how race would be an issue for the Andrastean Herald. I think there should have been more consequences for a kossith as the next best thing in the religion since Andraste herself. Would the majority of the populace really be okay with that?

 

I wish race selection had been part of the game from the first day of development, or taken out completely. I'm not sure why it took so long for Bioware to include it, since they knew that only playing as human in DA2 wasn't well received.

 

I think the game could have been interesting with Hawke as Inquisitor, but I'm not sure it would have translated well; I think Bio would have moderated the dialogue options closer to what we currently have, so Hawke's voice would be different than what we're expecting.

 

To me, it does seem like the initial plan was to have Hawke as PC again. The in game explanation from Cassandra and Varric about searching for Hawke and then giving up feels like Bioware cobbling together an excuse for why the entire premise of DA2 (finding Hawke so that s/he could help Cassandra in the current crisis) is invalidated.

 

Also, the Exalted March expansion might have been necessary to adequately transition between the games. If it dealt with the fallout by the Chantry from Kirkwall, leading to the Conclave, there might be stronger connection to Hawke and the Chantry hunting for them.

[Knight of Dane]

No it would have been the same game.

 

There is nothing whatsoever in the entire story that relates to the Inquisitor specifically besides the mark and Hawke could just have gotten that too, at most the only difference would be for Hawke to already have a romance.

 

If anything I would feel like it was a huge detour compared to the scale and narrative elements of 2. It fits better with a new character.

[NoForgiveness]

Oh ya I definitely think it would've been a better story. It would offer alot of potential in the mage/templar war, Cory's reveal and possibly the grey warden stuff.

That said, I don't think sacrificing that for race selection and stuff is necessarily a bad thing.

[vellveteen]

I'm glad Hawke wasn't the protagonist because I haven't played dragon age II, and I liked seeing a the previously main character become a side character during DAI. It would eliminate a lot of choices for the character though, such as their race or love interest, or even just their appearance. The idea reminds me too much of mass effect with Shepard.  

 

Actually I would much rather see the hero of ferelden return to inquisition. I really hope they do that in a next game. I think it would be quite suited because they will probably rebuild or continue the story of the grey wardens.

[nightscrawl]

Not to me. Even though I liked Hawke, I felt they had too much baggage from the previous game.

[Darkly Tranquil]

Snarky Hawke makes anything better through the power of sarcasm.

[Ariella]

NO!
 
Don't even think it.
 
Among other things, all the revelations of elven history and lore (which makes up the entire second half of the game and most of 2/3 story-based DLC) would NEVER have meant HALF as much to a required human noble. The story for a Dalish Inquisitor going through Inquisition and Trespasser (particularly a female elf who romances Solas) is far superior than anything than Hawke could deliver as far as I'm concerned.
 
Heck, race selection in general trumps anything Hawke could possibly offer as far as I'm concerned. Qunari Inquisitor? That alone is better than Hawke. No comparison.

You do know that like the romance for Solas, like race selection was instituted late in the game, thus had little effect on the story as it was broken down, right?

And It only makes up the majority of Trespasser. JoH is more about the Avvar and their world than anything. That the last Inquisitor was a elf is something, but it's not huge lore change imo, compared to the revelation of Solas himself or Mythal.

However, the revelation of Mythal would have some very personal questions for Hawke, considering Hawke was saved by her. It's also make some very interesting interplay between Morrigan and Hawke considering Mommy Dearest.

And it only makes up from Arbor Wilds on, which is not the second half of the game, it's one major story beat and the end scene for the base game. The finale has nothing to do with Elves and everything to do with killing Corypheus.

It would have been interesting to play Hawke again. Twas not to be, and never was, honestly. But the idea that there is one race that gets more out of the game than any other is specious imnsho, especially since the revelations go against everything ANY of the potential pc races are taught, especially humans. It changes the world for everyone, just not in the same ways.

[Illegitimus]

I would have loved the option to make Hawke my inquisitor, the same way you can continue as the Hero of Ferelden in Awakening or choose a new Orlesian Commander. I'm pretty sure I would have made Hawke the Herald in my canon playthrough were it possible. I love Hawke as a character, despite DA2's shortcomings.

I don't think there's an inherent narrative problem with Hawke not being the inquisitor, though. Either way works.

 

In fact, some might say it's a bit unrealistic that Hawke -- of all people -- would be the one to survive the explosion at the temple of Sacred Ashes. That'd be some pretty good luck as far as Thedas is concerned. Out of everyone who could possibly stumble upon Coryphesus's secret meeting and acquire the anchor, it just so happens to be the Champion of Kirkwall -- the person Cassandra already had pegged for inquisitor. lol

 

Varric (after laughing uncontrollably): "Welllll, sh!t. Everyone else at the temple is pulverized but, of course, you acquire a magical mark that makes you the one and only possible saviour of Thedas."

WittyHawke: "Well, y'know ... that 'Champion of Kirkwall' title was starting to bore me. I felt like being the 'Herald of Andraste' for a while. Just to annoy Sebastian."

Varric: "What's next week's title? 'Hawke -- Grand High Paragon of All Remaining Dwarven Thaigs, Because ... Reasons'?"

WittyHawke: "Why not. Assuming 'Undisputed Master of Orlais and All Well-Dressed Peoples of the World' isn't available."

Varric; "Ha! Life never gets boring when you're around, Hawke."

 

 

It wouldn't be a coincidence.  Hawke would have been there because Cassandra actually managed to get a message to them and Hawke would spot the infiltration because Hawke would recognize Corypheus's human-seeming host body and get suspicious.  What's a Warden doing here, Hawke would wonder.  They have no dog in this fight and this one's disguised as a Chantry clerk.  Then we erase Hawke's memory so they will be shocked by the revelation later.  

 

As for the argument that the only good Inquisitor is a Dalish Inquisitor...honestly I can never quite figure why a Dalish representative is even there.  I kind of wish elvish circle mage was an option.  

[AnimalBoy]

I wish.

 

As much as i like the Hero, Hawke blows the Hero and the Inquisitor away for me.

[AFA]

Hawke isn't a super hero (compared to HOF or Quis anyways) and isn't the leader type. Them being just some random person caught up in everything is part of the character's charm. Them in charge of the inquisition wouldn't make sense. Even Varric's stories made Hawke appear more important than they actually were, which Cassandra finds out through DA2.

[Darkly Tranquil]

Hawke isn't a super hero (compared to HOF or Quis anyways) and isn't the leader type. Them being just some random person caught up in everything is part of the character's charm. Them in charge of the inquisition wouldn't make sense. Even Varric's stories made Hawke appear more important than they actually were, which Cassandra finds out through DA2.

I dunno. I think Hawke would like Dante in Clerks. "I'm not even supposed to be here today!"

[Ariella]

Hawke isn't a super hero (compared to HOF or Quis anyways) and isn't the leader type. Them being just some random person caught up in everything is part of the character's charm. Them in charge of the inquisition wouldn't make sense. Even Varric's stories made Hawke appear more important than they actually were, which Cassandra finds out through DA2.

I'd argue she is a leader if only because she manages to keep such a disparate group of people together through ten years, without any overriding threat (Blight, Breach etc). It's just Hawke.

[AWTEW]

If Hawke had replaced the Inquisitor? For story's sake?

So much of Inquisition feels like it is linked to him/her. From Varric and Cassandra, to red lyrium, to the Mage and Templar war, to Corypheus. Even our quests with Feynriel in 2 could have been tied with Solas and the Fade. It felt like a sequel with a random person taking lead. Almost like playing Mass Effect 3 without being Shepard.

What do you all think? Would it have gelled better with this setup? I seriously believe it would have, and I would easily have sacrificed this for playing as a different race

 

Hell yes! HAwke dealing with Corypheus would have made a hell of a lot more sense. And Inquisition would not have been as painful, if we had Snarky Hawke.

[AFA]

I'd argue she is a leader if only because she manages to keep such a disparate group of people together through ten years, without any overriding threat (Blight, Breach etc). It's just Hawke.

 

I always saw Hawke as the DA equivalent of Davy Crockett. An outstanding individual, an OK leader, but someone that was elevated to myth by good storytellers, inflating their importance. William Wallace is another example, though his myth didn't come about until decades after his death, Crockett at least had to live with his reputation.

 

Hawke was a leader to friends and family, not to an organization or city. Cassandra spent DA2 thinking they were a world-shaping hero, when they just really had good PR. 

[vbibbi]

You do know that like the romance for Solas, like race selection was instituted late in the game, thus had little effect on the story as it was broken down, right?

And It only makes up the majority of Trespasser. JoH is more about the Avvar and their world than anything. That the last Inquisitor was a elf is something, but it's not huge lore change imo, compared to the revelation of Solas himself or Mythal.

However, the revelation of Mythal would have some very personal questions for Hawke, considering Hawke was saved by her. It's also make some very interesting interplay between Morrigan and Hawke considering Mommy Dearest.

And it only makes up from Arbor Wilds on, which is not the second half of the game, it's one major story beat and the end scene for the base game. The finale has nothing to do with Elves and everything to do with killing Corypheus.

It would have been interesting to play Hawke again. Twas not to be, and never was, honestly. But the idea that there is one race that gets more out of the game than any other is specious imnsho, especially since the revelations go against everything ANY of the potential pc races are taught, especially humans. It changes the world for everyone, just not in the same ways.

Every time I played the Temple of Mythal, I think to myself "Morrigan is usurping Merril's role!" Since Gaider confirmed that that quest was initially going to be in Exalted Marches, I think the idea was to have Merril in this role. I don't mind Morrigan, but the meta knowledge that Merril would make more sense is frustrating.

 

Hawke isn't a super hero (compared to HOF or Quis anyways) and isn't the leader type. Them being just some random person caught up in everything is part of the character's charm. Them in charge of the inquisition wouldn't make sense. Even Varric's stories made Hawke appear more important than they actually were, which Cassandra finds out through DA2.

True, s/he isn't much of a leader (I love the line about why do people think Hawke is leading this band of misfits). I really want to read a fanfic of snarky Hawke as Inquisitor, though, it would be so much fun. Probably not the tone Bio was going with DAI, but whatever.

 

I can picture Hawke slouching on the throne giving out judgements.

 

Hawke: Florianne, the ball is over, you don't need to keep wearing the mask. Let it go.

 

Erimond, I sentence you to magical fisting. Trust me, it's not as fun as it sounds.

 

Blackwall, we have got to stop meeting like this.

[Hazegurl]

I would have loved playing Hawke again, imo the story would have fit him much better while giving us a fleshed out PC in the process and a more personal story to boot.  Not to mention the connection with Cory. A Warrior and Rogue Human IQ makes more sense anyway and I would even buy Hawke of all people walking away with a magical anchor because of the Hawke blood and Cory connection.   And mage Hawke would have some credibility. Cass wanted him there, believed in him already, and wanted him to lead. Much better than random guy stumbles on magic orb.

[vbibbi]

Hawke wakes up in the Temple of Sacred Ashes with a glowing hand. "Hm, must be Tuesday."

[Sunnie]

Let me just reiterate...