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[EpicNewb]

The Krogans

[DanishViking]

They said they are moving away from the Trilogy so 

dont get your hopes up.

[Chealec]

Again, it's not super-AIDS. It reduces the Krogan birth rate to less dangerous levels. The Krogan have survived for like 1500 years with the Genophage. It's not a Krogan Holocaust.

 

Not to mention the fact that the Krogan were evolving around it which is why Morden had to head up the team to modify the Genophage anyway... even if it's not cured by Salarian doctors, odds are, if the Krogan survive the Reaper war (which they do unless Shepard picks Refuse) then eventually they'll evolve around it again.

 

Synthesis probably cures it anyway but adds an override switch to every species so they all love each other - even the Reapers... because Synthesis

[ZombiePopper]

There was more than a millennium between the Genophage application and the Reaper War. Why didn't the Krogan lay siege to Turian and Salarian worlds in all that time?

True,
But the Krogans have never really been a unified species, so I could only point to the Krogan rebellion and those Krogans that joined various factions such as the blood pack, suns, etc.

[Killroy]

So, Genophage in him?

Not good for a Ark Project.

Why? How would unchecked Krogan reproduction be better?

[EpicNewb]

They said they are moving away from the Trilogy so 

dont get your hopes up.

It'd be fun if they surprised everyone by making certain choices canon.

 

Imagine riding around on Rachni like they're your space horse.

[Vegeta 77]

So what theres a Krogan in MEA it does not mean Shep cured the genophage is canon. Even if he didn't there will still be krogan in the game.

[snackrat]

"Krogan ally"..? Where does this info come from? I don't see it on the forums, or at blog.bioware...

[Mdizzletr0n]

Thing about the Krogans is that it doesn't matter where you put them. They'll go to war with other Krogans. We've seen it. I don't even know if they'd be even to cooperate on a ship with just them on it. It'd probably end up bursting into flames en route but that's their own problem.

[KaiserShep]

 
Protracted conflict with the Reapers would leave every race functionally extinct. The Krogan can demand all they want, but if their survival as a race depends on getting aboard the Ark then they have no room to make demands. A man on death row has no negotiating power.

 

 

True, though the asari are an exception because the vast majority of their individuals can they themselves reproduce, but with the krogan only numbering 2 plus billion before the war, they'd probably reach critical must faster than the rest. Can't say that the Ark factors in this much, because as of now it's all really speculation as to what that entails. 

 

 

 

If human beings could live for 1000+ years, have 1000+ babies, wipe out entire civilizations, and were a constant threat to galactic peace when left unchecked a human Genophage would be entirely justified and hardly the only factor in human unrest. The Krogan are a warlike people and have been for many thousands of years. They were angry, violent monsters before the Genophage.

 

I was simply commenting on the effect of the genophage to counter a previous statement. Whether or not it's justified is irrelevant. 

[Kabooooom]

"Krogan ally"..? Where does this info come from? I don't see it on the forums, or at blog.bioware...

The trailer and from the leak, which seems to be confirmed beyond a reasonable doubt at this point.

[Malanek]

The only nail in their coffin was their own desire to kill everything.  The genophage reduced their birth rate to basically human norms, given their long lives, thick hide, regeneration etc if they die out with human style birth rates when no one is invading them, its on them. 

It wasn't even close to "human norms". It was designed to maintain a stable population while human populations can grow relatively quickly from natural reproduction if it is focused on. Population models from a small base will also differ quite widely where lifespan is basically an irrelevant factor if we have only been in Andromeda for 50 years. Even if it is 200 years, it is still less of a factor compared to birth rate than it would be under a stable environment.

 

I think it will be interesting to see how the genophage is handled. We need to wait for more information to see how it is handled but I suspect things will be glossed over rather than canonised.

[ModernAcademic]

My guess:

 

BW will ignore the main result of all 3 alternate endings (Destroy, Control, Synthesis all result in the Mass Relays being permanently disabled) and invent something new that makes it possible for mankind and other species to travel across the galaxy and beyond.

 

That way, no matter what ending you chose. If you destroyed the Reapers, chose to control them or opted for synthesis, Andromeda will begin with a whole new premise that ignores Shepard's actions entirely. Whatever he did will simply make no difference.

 

This premise will probably be the discovery of a new ancient people's legacy, something akin to the Mass Relays. Or the discovery of a technology sent to the Milky Way from Andromeda on purpose. Behold the Reapers 2.0. Or another race not hellbent on the destruction of other lifeforms, but with ulterior motives nonetheless.

[Gothfather]

The genophage and the heretics are two morality issues that show the inherent weakness of the paragon/Renegade morality systems. It creates binary thinking and resolution. Killing or mind controlling the heretics is a choice that has no altruistic backing for either outcome. Nothing about killing or mind control is heroic in this situation. It is an incredible well written moral dilemma that has more power and impact on players when there is NO meta game approval or disapproval attached to the choice.

 

The genophage is again another moral dilemma, it has consequences beyond the lifespan of the player and Wrex almost tries to kill Shepard in Me1 over the issue. The krogen are war like, dangerous and proven to be willing to go to war if they don't get what they want from the council. The krogen have also proven that they are unwilling to manage their own population growth. It isn't like contraception is beyond krogen technology. They could have done so but they saw a chance to use their reproduction advantage to take over the galaxy. how were they any different from the Rachni? What has changed to think that in a single krogen generation they wouldn't be right back where we were before the genophage? The krogen are just as war like just as fractures just as prone to all the issues that took them down the path of galactic war before the genophage. So what do you do with this? Do you cure it because for all you know the war with the reapers will last centuries like it did in the past cycles so having krogens able to replace their loses quickly means more meat for the grinder with the reapers? Refuse because you are worried about the galaxy post reaper war? There shouldn't be a pre attached moral approval to any decision here.

 

My Shepard cures the genophage because i try not to meta game and having billions of Krogen warriors in a generation to fight the reapers seems like sound strategic thinking. Sure turns out you solve the reaper war in months vs. centuries but no commander should assume that your current plan to defeat the enemy will work. Curing the genophage was probably my most renegade action with my Shepard but it viewed as Paragon. yet there is nothing altruistic about giving mothers a ability to birth billions of soldiers so they can be meat to the grinder of a centuries long war. 

 

Give us individual consequences for our choices not a meter that fills up to unlock mechanics, that is how you create a compelling moral system. people don't need a moral system to role play different characters with varied moralities.

[Kabooooom]

My guess:

BW will ignore the main result of all 3 alternate endings (Destroy, Control, Synthesis all result in the Mass Relays being permanently disabled) and invent something new that makes it possible for mankind and other species to travel across the galaxy and beyond.

That way, no matter what ending you chose. If you destroyed the Reapers, chose to control them or opted for synthesis, Andromeda will begin with a whole new premise that ignores Shepard's actions entirely. Whatever he did will simply make no difference.

This premise will probably be the discovery of a new ancient people's legacy, something akin to the Mass Relays. Or the discovery of a technology sent to the Milky Way from Andromeda on purpose. Behold the Reapers 2.0. Or another race not hellbent on the destruction of other lifeforms, but with ulterior motives nonetheless.

Its hard to "ignore" a choice that makes organic life partially synthetic in "a new DNA" and everyone glow green.

No, the endings are so damaged beyond repair that the ark, or whatever narrative path they take, will have to leave before the end of the reaper war.