Definitely the grey wardens win for most epic stupid villains in DAI.
I didn't count them because they're at least potential allies. But I agree that if you're asking "who were the dumbest *** in the game" they definitely take the cake. And the ice cream.
er, please don't ban me I have no idea how that bad word made it through the language filter. I didn't do it on purpose. I fixed it myself.
Grey Wardens: "What, some Inquistion crap wants to talk with us? Don't they know we are too busy murdering each other to raise a demon army to talk. I guess they will need to assault our keep and uselessly kill a bunch of us and them before we talk with them because that would be the next most absolute stupid thing we could do so that sounds about right."
That's exactly why I banished the Wardens. Not only would their plans, if successful, have doomed the entire world, but people seem to forget that they got dozens, if not hundreds, of innocent Inquisition soldiers killed because they were too blind and arrogant to even entertain an outside opinion.
I'm sure the Inquisition sent them countless messages. informing them of Coryphesus's manipulation and entreating an emergency meeting to discuss a sensible course of action. Yet the Wardens ignored the organization that had sealed the Breach and, possibly, saved the empress of Orlais, instead placing their faith in a Venatori swindler, blood sacrifices and demons.
People might argue that Warden-Commander Clarel was solely responsible for the Wardens' behaviour, but to that I'd say: Where are all the Grey Wardens with strong moral compasses, minds of their own, and the strength of character to question orders? Only one Warden in hundreds (Stroud, Alistair or Logain) thought that, perhaps, murdering one's brothers in arms and raising a demonic horde might be bad idea. The rest, apparently, just fell into line like good little sheep.
I had to exile the Wardens to show them that even noble intentions don't justify murder and voluntary ignorance -- especially the kind of voluntary ignorance that almost brought about the apocalypse.
Yes, the Grey Wardens are needed to fight the Darkspawn, but acting the way they were -- taking zero responsibility for their actions -- they were hardly any better than Darkspawn.
And I find the idea that the Wardens are exiled "forever" from Southern Thedas to be an absolutely ludicrous plot device -- especially following Trespasser and the inquisition's possible dissolution. I see no reason whatsoever that the monarchs of Orlais and Ferelden couldn't countermand the ex-inquisitor's impromptu directive, thus inviting Wardens back into their countries any time they pleased.
I mean Florianne it is, it has to be. Talk about a person who is supposed to be "savvy" at the game and a noble with probably good education doing something so stupid. She makes for a better clown or dead zombie clown more than anything else though.
The wardens can be (sort of) justified as they were hearing the blight and going crazy but Florianne has no such excuse.
Alexius, honestly. the entire quest is as follows:
Alexius: Come to my trap!
Fiona: The nice kind just magister of the evil empire lied???????????????????
Quizzy: Ok!
Alexius: Wait you know it's a trap??? 
Take this unprepared time magic!
Quizzy: aaa time magic
Quizzy: were back!
Alexius: Oh no I have been bested by people with swords. Whatever is a time magic wielding magister to do. I give :<
Alexius, honestly. the entire quest is as follows:
Alexius: Come to my trap!Fiona: The nice kind just magister of the evil empire lied???????????????????
Quizzy: Ok!Alexius: Wait you know it's a trap???
Quizzy: aaa time magic
Quizzy: were back!
Alexius: Oh no I have been bested by people with swords. Whatever is a time magic wielding magister to do. I give :<
If you pay attention to the rest of the game involving Alexius, you'll discover that the magic is unstable and Alexius isn't very good at its management. The time magic wielding magister is a bust.
Time magic in general seems to be a bust, considering arch-mages like Solas and Flemeth don't use it to travel backwards and correct past mistakes.
Corypheus. He actually had the "I win" button in his hand but he still lost
He should've won already as soon as he got the orb. All he had to do was kidnap someone from the wilds, sacrifice him, get the anchor, and then win. Before anyone knew about anything, he'd have reached the Black City and/or destroyed the south already.
But nooooo, he had to go the long way around - get to a guarded peace summit where the chances of being compromised is significantly higher, and then make the sacrifice there.
I really would like to get a better explanation for the statement "Because every alternative was worse" (regarding the creation of the Veil) and "They would have destroyed the entire world".
It seems to me that only someone who is ruled by the own emotions would cause that much damage just to get revenge on a few people.
The impression I have is that the Elven gods managed to taint themselves with the Blight and Solas felt he had to seal them up to keep it from infecting Thedas.
Those 3-4 man random bandit groups that think it's a brilliant idea to attack your party. I mean what the hell are those thinking?
"Oh look a pretty capable looking 4-(wo)man adventurer-team with top notch weapons and armor. I think I can at least see one mage there as well. Let's try to rob them."
Servis. "lets put everything that happened in the Approach behind us! I'm a suck-up and wanna work for you instead"
Why does that make him dumb though? Zevran did the same thing.
I really would like to get a better explanation for the statement "Because every alternative was worse" (regarding the creation of the Veil) and "They would have destroyed the entire world".
It seems to me that only someone who is ruled by the own emotions would cause that much damage just to get revenge on a few people.
I'd also like to know what he meant, but I don't find it hard to believe he was right; that the Evanuris may well have ended the world if he didn't lock them away. That part's fine. His current plan is not.
I think it's a little unfair to label the Grey Wardens villains let alone dumb ones. Can we all just admit that what happened to the Grey Wardens (and Dalish too but that's another topic) is nothing short of character assassination?! It seemed like Bioware had this burning need to "dethrone" the Grey Wardens as heroes and make you dislike them and IMHO too many of you are falling for it.
Let's face it. There is simply NO WAY that what happened in DAI to the Grey Wardens could have. Even if Cory can mimic the calling in large groups of wardens in Orlais and Fereldan, it's not like the Grey Warden leadership would be unprepared or find this unexpected. They knew that Cory almost certainly wasn't dead because they knew he couldn't be killed (it's why he was locked up to begin with). They also knew that Cory could and did control Grey Warden thoughts at great distance. If they forget, Hawk's Sibling (if a Grey Warden) would certainly be able to remind them! Let's also not forget that as compelling as it was, the false calling was not an actual compulsion. Both Stroud (or Loghain) and the HoF are both able to resist it. For that matter, it's clear the HoF smells a rat and given that he (or she) is of equal rank with the Warden Commander of Orlais, it would not be too difficult to get at least enough Wardens to question this plan long enough to smell a rat.....especially when the Warden Commander of Orlais can see through it with two lines of dialog from the Inquisitor.
Also in all the criticism of the Grey Wardens, no one else has told me an alternative way of stopping a blight...and there will be at least one more blight.
Can we all admit that Bioware is twisting the narrative to make the Grey Wardens look as dumb and malicious as possible....even beyond what you logically would expect? Classic character assassination.
I felt like Samson was pretty dumb. His reason for being a villain seemed a bit weak. 'I knew we were pawns! But I was tired of being a pawn! So... yeah. At least now I'm a happier pawn!'
The Wardens' fake Calling is a bit odd considering after a while they must have realized none of them were actually starting to die from it.
Let's face it, most of the plot devices in DAI only work because the people involved are really stupid. From the rebel mages, to the Templars, to the Grey Wardens. Even the opening part with Corypheus apparently able to walk into a well guarded (one would assume) peace conclave and kidnap the Divine under the noses of her guards.
Nor does the stupidity end with the main game. I still can't get over how Teagan apparently forgets all that the Grey Wardens did for him and his family during the 5th Blight but harks back to Sophie Dryden when referring to them and then has the cheek to criticise the Inquisition for staying in occupation of Caer Bronach. If I recall correctly, much of the peasant population of the Hinterlands (the people who work his fields and pay his taxes) would have died but for our intervention in feeding them, finding them blankets, killing off the rogue mages and Templars, building watchtowers, removing bandits, clearing out venatori and red templars, etc, etc. Even after we had either removed the occupying force at Redcliffe or they had left of their own accord, the army of the monarch didn't see fit to do a detour and help the people of Crestwood, so once again it was left to the Inquisition to save everyone. (This was not just a matter of rifts, the keep was occupied by normal bandits which were Teagan's responsibility). We shut down a red lyrium smuggling operation on the Storm Coast, which was again part of the monarch's responsibility since it falls within Ferelden. Then there are the war table missions, such as sending our agents to deal with the Venatori infiltration of the royal palace. Let us not forget the new peace deal that we brokered between Ferelden and Orlais. And killing the high dragons that were threatening all these areas. All in all, I'd say that Ferelden would be in a bit of a pickle but for the Inquisition and probably left in a worse state than that of the 5th Blight (which strangely enough didn't seem to have affected the land very much at all since it all looked very fertile only 10 years after the event). Then Teagan has the stupidity and cheek to call us no better than a bunch of mercenaries. I have this secret hope that when I disbanded the Inquisition, everything went to hell rather quickly, not because I am a nasty person but because all the evidence pointed to it turning out that way.
So I think stupidity is catching in Thedas. May be that was the true result of the Breach.
I would say every villain in DAI is dumb , mainly because Corypheus is a weak sauce antagonist.
First the "man" is a darkspawn , a monster ...you'd think it would be hard to make friends with a face like that.Let's say you're not that shallow , Cory still have the taint , for your own health you might want to stay away from him.
Then dude got a bad rep , he performed a feast in the old days , but it kinda of went FUBAR big time.
But let's put all of this aside , what is he bringing to the table exactly?
He wants to go back to the Golden City to become a God.
Let's say for some strange reason you're fine with praising Cory ...Our favorite villain already went to the Golden City because something called "Dumat" told him to go there , it didn't go well the first time , but for some reason Cory , who doesn't know anything more about the Golden City than your random peasents , think second time's the charm.
So we've got a creature looking evil with a bad plan full of holes who wants to rule the whole world.
From that you can assume everyone following him willingly has a bad case of the derp going on.
Many of dai villains were dumb but Corypheus and Clarel (including grey wardens that followed her) took cake , Corypheus for creating his own weakness that could turn off his immortality and Clarel for pretty much being dumb enough to go with plan summon demon army and trusting obviously evil tevinter magister.
I think it's a little unfair to label the Grey Wardens villains let alone dumb ones. Can we all just admit that what happened to the Grey Wardens (and Dalish too but that's another topic) is nothing short of character assassination?! It seemed like Bioware had this burning need to "dethrone" the Grey Wardens as heroes and make you dislike them and IMHO too many of you are falling for it.
Let's face it. There is simply NO WAY that what happened in DAI to the Grey Wardens could have. Even if Cory can mimic the calling in large groups of wardens in Orlais and Fereldan, it's not like the Grey Warden leadership would be unprepared or find this unexpected. They knew that Cory almost certainly wasn't dead because they knew he couldn't be killed (it's why he was locked up to begin with). They also knew that Cory could and did control Grey Warden thoughts at great distance. If they forget, Hawk's Sibling (if a Grey Warden) would certainly be able to remind them! Let's also not forget that as compelling as it was, the false calling was not an actual compulsion. Both Stroud (or Loghain) and the HoF are both able to resist it. For that matter, it's clear the HoF smells a rat and given that he (or she) is of equal rank with the Warden Commander of Orlais, it would not be too difficult to get at least enough Wardens to question this plan long enough to smell a rat.....especially when the Warden Commander of Orlais can see through it with two lines of dialog from the Inquisitor.
Also in all the criticism of the Grey Wardens, no one else has told me an alternative way of stopping a blight...and there will be at least one more blight.
Can we all admit that Bioware is twisting the narrative to make the Grey Wardens look as dumb and malicious as possible....even beyond what you logically would expect? Classic character assassination.
Grey wardens never were heroes they were anti-heroes pretty much extreme ones , unfortunately dao fueled that belief by showing us heroic wardens like Alistair and possibly HoF and game was centred on them, also by knights in shining armor stories told by Wynne about them.
Also grey wardens didn't knew that Corypheus was alive from what i recall Clarel will dismiss your claims and will tell you Corypheus is dead.Grey wardens tought that the calling was coming mix that with pretty much fanatical desire to stop darkspawn and blights and extremism of grey wardens (that was always characteristic of the order) and that will be result.
As for alternatives , it isn't rly hard grey wardens aren't necessary joining is, pretty much you can bring down grey warden order and still have means to stop blights.
And hardly as possible , if they wanted they could pretty much realistically portray consequences of that grey wardens conscripting criminals and well other not very nice people and as far worst thing about grey wardens was just foolish extremism.Pretty much grey wardens were always were painted that way but once again people got false impressions because dao was focused on 2 grey wardens.
Nor does the stupidity end with the main game. I still can't get over how Teagan apparently forgets all that the Grey Wardens did for him and his family during the 5th Blight but harks back to Sophie Dryden when referring to them and then has the cheek to criticise the Inquisition for staying in occupation of Caer Bronach. If I recall correctly, much of the peasant population of the Hinterlands (the people who work his fields and pay his taxes) would have died but for our intervention in feeding them, finding them blankets, killing off the rogue mages and Templars, building watchtowers, removing bandits, clearing out venatori and red templars, etc, etc. Even after we had either removed the occupying force at Redcliffe or they had left of their own accord, the army of the monarch didn't see fit to do a detour and help the people of Crestwood, so once again it was left to the Inquisition to save everyone. (This was not just a matter of rifts, the keep was occupied by normal bandits which were Teagan's responsibility). We shut down a red lyrium smuggling operation on the Storm Coast, which was again part of the monarch's responsibility since it falls within Ferelden. Then there are the war table missions, such as sending our agents to deal with the Venatori infiltration of the royal palace. Let us not forget the new peace deal that we brokered between Ferelden and Orlais. And killing the high dragons that were threatening all these areas. All in all, I'd say that Ferelden would be in a bit of a pickle but for the Inquisition and probably left in a worse state than that of the 5th Blight (which strangely enough didn't seem to have affected the land very much at all since it all looked very fertile only 10 years after the event). Then Teagan has the stupidity and cheek to call us no better than a bunch of mercenaries. I have this secret hope that when I disbanded the Inquisition, everything went to hell rather quickly, not because I am a nasty person but because all the evidence pointed to it turning out that way.
So I think stupidity is catching in Thedas. May be that was the true result of the Breach.
Oh , you mean 2 individual grey wardens that were working on their own did that? Sorry but HoF and Alistair aren't grey warden order.As for Teagan , seizing lands and pissing on country authorities and laws by foreign force isn't something that pretty much any sane country would want or even tolerate and Teagan was there represent said country.
I'm going to go with Solas. For all his "I am not a monster" business at the end of Trespasser, his crappy plan nearly resulted in Corypheus doing a lot of nasty ****, and it was only through blind luck and a lot of other unpleasantness that things didn't go completely down the toilet. Everything that happened with the Wardens? To the Templars, the Mages and Orlais? All the undead corpses in Crestwood?
The man is a clown, and isn't anywhere near as intelligent or wise as he likes to come off. At least Corypheus had something resembling a plan. Florianne's plan seemed more like an "all or nothing" sort of venture, and Erimond...was an *******.
Oh , you mean 2 individual grey wardens that were working on their own did that? Sorry but HoF and Alistair aren't grey warden order.As for Teagan , seizing lands and pissing on country authorities and laws by foreign force isn't something that pretty much any sane country would want or even tolerate and Teagan was there represent said country.
There were so many idiot balls bouncing through the entire plot of DAI that I find it hard to tell who got the biggest one.
I'd probably go with Coryphywaffles though...his spectacular protagonist assisted suicide at the end is hard to beat.
HoF only ,Alistair did nothing but to hide himself behind the HoF back,also unlike the Warden he is not mandatory and can betray you before of the end of the blight so if we wish to speak in general,to consider all possible situations i will say that only the HoF stopped the blight since in some orldstates companions may have left the cause..DAo was the tale of the Warden since unlike DAI where everyone are doing something,in DAO the Warden only play an active part all the others are passive.
Well kinda , pretty much all companions contribute to combat (unless you will keep them in the camp ,tough inquisition assumes that you used Alistair during broken circle) and in other matters during warden journey (watching over the camp , cooking etc) and occasionally may help you with something non-combat related for an example Morrian/Leliana/Sten will help you get to the circle.Alistair is only mandatory companion and will stick almost to the end of the game and except morrigan he is only companion that have important role in main quest , so he had some contribution regardless of what you did.
If he is a clown he wouldn't be capable to survive against 7 Enavuris.I don't think is fair,since in the end more or less he succeed,he obtained more power and gained the control of the eluvians,tricked the Inquisition.His fault on Corypheus came out for the fact that he underestimate everyone who is not an ancient elf,still i don't see the strength of your argument since from SOlas perspective even if what he did caused great disasters to many people and brought chaos into the world,he doesn't care so long as it is not his world.You may be angry at him,but for all the damage that he caused,to the Wardens,templars,the DIvine,the chantry,the mages,the veil ecc..he doesn't care it is not his world,that's why he is a powerful villain,not a clown..Also he is an elf not a man.
You are forgetting that Clown Solas also literally destroyed his own world (as it was known), when he created the Veil, leaving all Elves defenseless at the mercy of humans who enslaved and mass murdered them to get blood to augment their magical powers for thousand years while he was taking a nap. There is no dumber villain than the one who destroys everything s/he touches with the excuse of trying to do better. Like if it wasn't enough stupidity, he came back thousand years later, just to kill his best friend (dumb Plan B ), when he discovered that his dumb Plan A of destroying the world (again) and killing every other creature in it went awry.
Well kinda , pretty much all companions contribute to combat (unless you will keep them in the camp ,tough inquisition assumes that you used Alistair during broken circle) and in other matters during warden journey (watching over the camp , cooking etc) and occasionally may help you with something non-combat related for an example Morrian/Leliana/Sten will help you get to the circle.Alistair is only mandatory companion and will stick almost to the end of the game and except morrigan he is only companion that have important role in main quest , so he had some contribution regardless of what you did.
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