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[Secret Rare]

You are forgetting that Clown Solas also literally destroyed his own world (as it was known), when  he created the Veil, leaving all Elves defenseless at the mercy of humans who enslaved and mass murdered them to get blood to augment their magical powers for thousand years while he was taking a nap. There is no dumber villain than the one who destroys everything s/he touches with the excuse of trying to do better. Like if it wasn't enough stupidity, he came back thousand years later, just to kill his best friend (dumb Plan B ), when he discovered that his dumb Plan A of destroying the world (again) and killing every other creature in it went awry.

All things out of context, it's easy to dismiss out of a tunnel vision what was revealed by the game references.

A world with 7 universal dictators who were near to destroy the entire world as Solas said to the Inquisitor,Solas didn't create the veil to destroy Elvhenan.

It was not the slavery that moved him against the Evanuris and guided him to the creation of the veil,it was the murdering of Mythal and the subsequent attempt of the Enavuris to destroy the entire world in their lust of power.

Why did you created the veil?

Solas

"Because every other alternative was worse,had i not created the veil the Evanuris would have destroyed the entire world"

With or without Solas Elvhenan was over.

Those who keep continue to say that Solas isn't a complex Villain but just a stupid clown suffer of tunnel vision.

[Gervaise]

My point with regard to Teagan is that the only thing that the Inquisitor was specifically the only person who could deal with it was the Breach.     Where were the monarch and nobles of Ferelden when it came to everything else?     How long had those bandits been occupying the Keep?     All over the place there were abandoned buildings that had been occupied by factions working against the ordinary people of Ferelden.    Yet is would seem that no one did anything.    Then they moan when we are still using the Keep in Crestwood as a base.    Apparently there were still stray demons and isolated rifts cropping up around the place and it made life a lot easier than directing everything from Skyhold.    If we had been demanding taxes or throwing our weight around like out of control mercenaries, I could understand it, but we hadn't.    Teagan only did something about the situation in the Hinterlands when he personally had suffered by it and then once he got his castle back, went back to leaving the problem to someone else.    My Inquisition did not ****** on the country's authorities or laws; they abdicated their responsibilities and left us to do their work.    As my Inquisitor pointed out in his closing speech, it was not a carefully worded treaty that saved the people of his country, but my organisation getting the job done, which as I had always anticipated would be a thankless task.  

 

The HoF and Alistair were representatives of their order who put an alliance together of elves, dwarves and mages on the basis of Grey Warden  Treaties, so the Grey Wardens were responsible for saving Ferelden thank you very much, as was acknowledged at the time by the monarch suggesting that the Grey Wardens run Vigil's Keep.  That was the recent history of the Grey Wardens in Ferelden, not Sophie Dryden.   Interestingly the writers seemed to have totally ignored the events of Awakening when it came to the presence of the wardens in Ferelden.  That was in fact a precedent of the monarch allowing an outside organisation to run a local vacant land holding, which in the case of my Warden they did very well.   How was Caer Bronach any different?

[Secret Rare]

My point with regard to Teagan is that the only thing that the Inquisitor was specifically the only person who could deal with it was the Breach.     Where were the monarch and nobles of Ferelden when it came to everything else?    

Is not my fault if the DA writers banished my HoF into the upper space of the forgotten realms for a contrived quest,i would have gladly do something for Ferelden again,but my warden was banished by the writers or the "Maker" which is the same thing.

[Elhanan]

I nominate Servis the smuggler from the Western Approach. Opposes the Inquisition while stealing from Cory; not exactly the best long term plan for retirement.

[TheKomandorShepard]

 

I kept most of the times all of them at camp (believe me it i possible to solo the game i only used Loghain on the final battle for the sacrifice)

 

Non combat related help,i don't remember anything honestly,neither Leliana or Sten or Morrigan helped me in any occasion,unless you're referring to the templar at the circle the one that let you use the boat,well it is easy to intimidate or persuade him with the warden,or to just use the treaties.

It is rare but it is possible to not use them at all if your Warden is strong enough.

At best you can argue that the only one who did something in every world states is Flemeth,since she gave you those documents.

Fair point on having AListair forced until the landsmeet he is the only one who is forced but then again iept the throne for myself and rejected him he was more a rival while Morrigan can be immediately dismissed both in Lothering and later in Redcliffe and she will have nothing to do with the HoF journey,so pretty much she can become completly irrelevant in the main game.

 

 edit i only used the Dog since was the only trustworthy.

 

 

Fighting solo entire game isn't canon, as i said Alistair being present during at least broken circle quest was made canon in Inquistion.As for non-combat things i wasn't saying it was mandatory (as every companion except alistair is optional, so it should be rather obvious otherwise we would be stuck) ,as for templar you can only go to the tower if you have sufficient coercion ,pay him or use 1 of 3 companions that i mentioned before , treaties if i recall are useless.

As for Alistair , you still pretty much end using Alistair (even if you made Anora Queen) to call landsmeet and oppose Loghain .So in even if you try use Alistair as little as you could he still ends doing something even if it isn't much. As for Morrigan you can kick her out (she will still show up before final battle), but she still has role in main quest as she is one who offers you thrid option in main quest regardless if you accept or not and well she will have role in Ostagar and shortly after.

 

So Alistair , Morrigan and Oghren have mandatory roles in main storyline and will support you even a little even if you do your best to remove them as soon you can.    

   

[Mlady]

I admired her, but I have to say Clarel. She made a mess of everything and is the one who ruined the GW not Erimond. Even my Warden would not have made such a decision if in that situation. I just kept facepalming during that whole Adamant scene. She's right up there with Sophia.

 

 

I really would like to get a better explanation for the statement "Because every alternative was worse" (regarding the creation of the Veil) and "They would have destroyed the entire world".

It seems to me that only someone who is ruled by the own emotions would cause that much damage just to get revenge on a few people.

 

It's the Blight I think. The Veil and sealing the false Gods away stopped the Blight from spreading further. They wanted it for their own power. If he did anything else, the whole world would be a Blighted one. Corypheus introduced the Blight to parts of the world after breaking into the City, and Darkspawn have been active in the Deep Roads, but the Blight is much smaller and easy to control if caught early, but if those gates opened to the City, in Thedas, it would be the end for sure most likely.

[TK514]

Hard call.  Thedas is full of idiots.

[Qun00]

Agreed. Solas is like somebody who's never had a real job, all he knows how to do is throw magic at things and hope that "fixes" it. For a given definition of "fix".

He needs a Magneto-style comeuppance where he completely loses all of his magic and becomes Joe Ordinary. Permanently.

But, really, as far as I'm concerned none of the bad guys in DA:I achieved "villain" status. They were obstacles and road blocks and annoyances, not THREATS. The biggest actual threats were people like Chancellor Roderick who ought to have been helping clean up the mess but decided to go off on their own stupid B.S. instead.

Of course they were threats.

You can't say that just because they didn't achieve their goals, which villains never do.

[AnUnculturedLittlePotato]

If you pay attention to the rest of the game involving Alexius, you'll discover that the magic is unstable and Alexius isn't very good at its management. The time magic wielding magister is a bust. 

 

Time magic in general seems to be a bust, considering arch-mages like Solas and Flemeth don't use it to travel backwards and correct past mistakes. 

Which is why he should've just blown everything up. Open a big wide hole and see what happens.

More exiting then the sword at least.

 

The Wardens' fake Calling is a bit odd considering after a while they must have realized none of them were actually starting to die from it.

Like weren't there newer wardens? Their not that dumb in canon as to think wardens magically live for 5 years now.

[Dabrikishaw]

Lord Seeker Lucius. At least all the other antagonists had some sort of workable plan for how they'd go about their business. This guy? He joins a cult and hopes for the best.

[RoughTumble]

Voting for Solas and I don't think he's even peaked yet

[Big Magnet]

Really, I thought he was hilarious and sort of awesome after you read about him helping the Qunari fight mages in World of Thedas Vol. 2. 

Did they reward him with cookies?

[ESTAQ99]

 

All things out of context, it's easy to dismiss out of a tunnel vision what was revealed by the game references.

A world with 7 universal dictators who were near to destroy the entire world as Solas said to the Inquisitor,Solas didn't create the veil to destroy Elvhenan.

It was not the slavery that moved him against the Evanuris and guided him to the creation of the veil,it was the murdering of Mythal and the subsequent attempt of the Enavuris to destroy the entire world in their lust of power.

Why did you created the veil?

Solas

"Because every other alternative was worse,had i not created the veil the Evanuris would have destroyed the entire world"

With or without Solas Elvhenan was over.

Those who keep continue to say that Solas isn't a complex Villain but just a stupid clown suffer of tunnel vision.

 

 

Nothing in my post is out of context. As far as we know, those seven dictators, as you put it, where about to destroy their world, not the worlds of humans, dwarves or any other race. If you read my post carefully, I didn't elaborate on the reasons why Bold the Dumb created the veil, although we know he created it mainly to imprison the remaining Elvhen pseudo-gods (Evanuris). What I stated is that in his doing so, he robbed the people he was trying to save from their most precious essence (magic)., left his own people defenseless and condemned them to thousand years of slavery, mass murdering and mistreatment.

 

As for the murdering of Mithal, I find dubious he cared that much for her since he didn't even blink before killing her again during the epilogue of DAI. Fortunately, it seems Flemythal knew he is not only a walking failure but also a sociopath traitor and from those cut scenes, it appears she was prepared for his betrayal and saved some of her essence.

 

PS: I don't think the upcoming destruction of Solas will be an inquisitor doing, I think it will be Mythal (on a new host), who will kill him and as an extra reward, she will extract (reabsorb) the powers he stole from her. 

[893kira]

Cult leader in Storm Coast and Avvar Tribal chieftain's son challenging the inquisitor to a fight.

 

Solas underestimating Cory and the Inquisition.

[BansheeOwnage]

Let's face it, most of the plot devices in DAI only work because the people involved are really stupid.    From the rebel mages, to the Templars, to the Grey Wardens.   Even the opening part with Corypheus apparently able to walk into a well guarded (one would assume) peace conclave and kidnap the Divine under the noses of her guards.

 

Nor does the stupidity end with the main game.    I still can't get over how Teagan apparently forgets all that the Grey Wardens did for him and his family during the 5th Blight but harks back to Sophie Dryden when referring to them and then has the cheek to criticise the Inquisition for staying in occupation of Caer Bronach.    If I recall correctly, much of the peasant population of the Hinterlands (the people who work his fields and pay his taxes) would have died but for our intervention in feeding them, finding them blankets, killing off the rogue mages and Templars, building watchtowers, removing bandits, clearing out venatori and red templars, etc, etc.     Even after we had either removed the occupying force at Redcliffe or they had left of their own accord, the army of the monarch didn't see fit to do a detour and help the people of Crestwood, so once again it was left to the Inquisition to save everyone.   (This was not just a matter of rifts, the keep was occupied by normal bandits which were Teagan's responsibility).   We shut down a red lyrium smuggling operation on the Storm Coast, which was again part of the monarch's responsibility since it falls within Ferelden.  Then there are the war table missions, such as sending our agents to deal with the Venatori infiltration of the royal palace.   Let us not forget the new peace deal that we brokered between Ferelden and Orlais.     And killing the high dragons that were threatening all these areas.   All in all, I'd say that Ferelden would be in a bit of a pickle but for the Inquisition and probably left in a worse state than that of the 5th Blight (which strangely enough didn't seem to have affected the land very much at all since it all looked very fertile only 10 years after the event).    Then Teagan has the stupidity and cheek to call us no better than a bunch of mercenaries.     I have this secret hope that when I disbanded the Inquisition, everything went to hell rather quickly, not because I am a nasty person but because all the evidence pointed to it turning out that way.

 

So I think stupidity is catching in Thedas.   May be that was the true result of the Breach.

I can't take Teagan seriously in Trespasser, because I can't help but have my immersion be broken by him. Meaning, when he talks, all I'm thinking are meta-thoughts, like "Why did Bioware choose him to be here?" and "This makes no sense". That's not what you want to happen. Bioware could have chosen any random Fereldan idiot to be at the Council, but they chose Teagan (because cameo!) and made him be displeased with the Inquisition because they needed someone to be displeased with the Inquisition, regardless of whether it made sense with their character.

 

He doesn't even look similar anymore. The only thing that's the same is his voice. If he wasn't actually called Teagan, people probably wouldn't think it was him.

 

/rant

[Ariella]

If you pay attention to the rest of the game involving Alexius, you'll discover that the magic is unstable and Alexius isn't very good at its management. The time magic wielding magister is a bust. 
 
Time magic in general seems to be a bust, considering arch-mages like Solas and Flemeth don't use it to travel backwards and correct past mistakes.

The biggest problem is the magic is made possible by the Breach, so it seems that any attempt by anybody trying to go back before the Breach's creation is doomed to failure. I don't think Alexius has problems managing it as much as he can't crack that one barrier. Which means erasing the Herald from time or keeping them from stopping Cory wouldn't work. Could kill them just after, but that wouldn't get the Anchor.

As for dumbest: Erimond without a doubt. Anyone who is willing to swallow Corypheus' "god king" line is nukking futz. Gotta love a true believer.

[Aren]

Fighting solo entire game isn't canon

It can be a possibility,as far as i'm concerned canon do not exist for DAO aside from few events and characters (Duncan,Riordan,Cailan ecc..)..

[Dai Grepher]

Hissrad and his stupid choice to side with the failure of a Tal-Vashoth Viddasala, who had already been disavowed, over the person he knows is the clear winner in every fight. He died as quickly as he turned, without honor and without glory.

[Dai Grepher]

It can be a possibility,as far as i'm concerned canon do not exist for DAO aside from few events and characters (Duncan,Riordan,Cailan ecc..)..

 

No, I think it is canon that the Inquisitor has at least one companion in certain cases. Otherwise he's talking to imaginary friends. "Let's go", "We need to find Solas...", *waves to friends to stay behind*, etc.

[Secret Rare]

Nothing in my post is out of context. As far as we know, those seven dictators, as you put it, where about to destroy their world, not the worlds of humans, dwarves or any other race. If you read my post carefully, I didn't elaborate on the reasons why Bold the Dumb created the veil, although we know he created it mainly to imprison the remaining Elvhen pseudo-gods (Evanuris). What I stated is that in his doing so, he robbed the people he was trying to save from their most precious essence (magic)., left his own people defenseless and condemned them to thousand years of slavery, mass murdering and mistreatment.

 

As for the murdering of Mithal, I find dubious he cared that much for her since he didn't even blink before killing her again during the epilogue of DAI. Fortunately, it seems Flemythal knew he is not only a walking failure but also a sociopath traitor and from those cut scenes, it appears she was prepared for his betrayal and saved some of her essence.

 

PS: I don't think the upcoming destruction of Solas will be an inquisitor doing, I think it will be Mythal (on a new host), who will kill him and as an extra reward, she will extract (reabsorb) the powers he stole from her. 

According to Felassan there were no Humans,dwarves,qunari or any other races before of the elves in Thedas and for certainly their presence in Thedas at the time of the Evanuris were pretty much in slavery,unless you was referring to other continents and how the veil could have influenced them.

Provided that veil extend to the whole world and not only to Thedas which we have no indication that is true,continents which we know nothing about and really are out of the plot,so i don't see what should be the player interest in them,aside from the books they are not even mentioned...

Slavery was committed by other races on the behalf of the elves mainly Tevinter,which wasn't so different to what the high elves did to all the other races,still i don't see why Solas is to blame for the misdeeds of others,if the elves killed themselves when they were freed and instead to try to move forward in a world with less magic they lost themselves and killed themselves,not really Solas fault.

Even without the veil they were strong enough to protect their lands from a bunch of barbarians nermomerians who were the core of the first tevinter,all the elves are to blame,they lost themselves without the Evanuris, prefered to be their slaves in those chains of simplicity and commands rather than free.

Solas didn't muredered Mythal he killed Flemeth,for all that the old woman claim she isn't Mythal she is an inheritor of Mythal,Solas killed a shamlen who had the powers of Mythal not Mythal who was not even into her anymore when they get killed..and it is not unlikely that was Mythal who commanded to Flemeth to give to him her powers,Mythal target isn't Solas more likely they are the Evanuris.

 

Yep i have already heard about the tales of Mythal empowering Morrigan that will save the world,which is unlikely since.

1)Mythal is more close to Solas rather than Flemeth or any of her daughters,since as far as i'm concerned the only one who avenged her was him not Flemeth,this is why she gave to him her powers Solas didn't steal anything,so you are pretty much creating another story.

2)Gaider already said that this whole Morrigan and Mythal thing is not canon

http://forum.bioware...derstood/page-3

and that the notes are worth nothing,and Yavana being attacked if certain condition are solved made it really difficult for an appearance,still she is more candidate since she could been a new character.

[Aren]

No, I think it is canon that the Inquisitor has at least one companion in certain cases. Otherwise he's talking to imaginary friends. "Let's go", "We need to find Solas...", *waves to friends to stay behind*, etc.

It was about the Warden not about the Inquisitor,i was arguning that it is possible to have as personal canon The Warden winning the blight with 0 companions or just the dog and Loghain,just to demonstrate that in DAO aside from the Warden protagonist no one is important,pretty much an hero mary sue

At least in Inquisiton the herald need help to defeat Corypheus,the warden aside from a small army

that was comparable only to the army lost at Ostagar ( not all the army which were also the half with Loghain who survived,just the half with Cailan so pretty much 2000-1500 soldier at best) so at the end of the day the battle of Denerim was not even so big,you had few allies and the Archdemon that was prematurely  awakened by the Architect few darkspawn at his disposal because it was not the horde who found him,since according to codex the next blight will happen on Lusacan dragon of night,that is the old god that the darkspawn are looking for  not Urthemiel.

[Ariella]

Solas didn't muredered Mythal he killed Flemeth,for all that the old woman claim she isn't Mythal she is an inheritor of Mythal,Solas killed a shamlen who had the powers of Mythal not Mythal who was not even into her anymore when they get killed..and it is not unlikely that was Mythal who commanded to Flemeth to give to him her powers,Mythal target isn't Solas more likely they are the Evanuris.

I think you're reaching with this. Solas and Flemeth speak as old friends at the end. This wasn't just some human, she was Mythal. She may have "let" him or not, but he didn't see her as just some human as you imply.

We also don't know what she sent through the Eluvian. It may have been something to Morrigan or Yavenna or it's another wisp like she did in DA2.

But the fact that Solas felt the need to take power from Mythal at all (and he didn't know or wasn't sure she was alive until after Arbor Wilds. If you take him with he later says: so something of Mythal survived after all or some sort) says something.

[Dai Grepher]

It was about the Warden not about the Inquisitor...

 

Oh. My apologies then.
 

[TheKomandorShepard]

It can be a possibility,as far as i'm concerned canon do not exist for DAO aside from few events and characters (Duncan,Riordan,Cailan ecc..)..

It does , some things are made canon even if you had a choice in previous games , Alistair mentions in dai that he met his sister in the fade, what happened only if you took him to the circle in dao what means Alistair was with HoF during that quest and you can't influence it.Also same for Anders and Justice that were accepted by WC and you can't do anything about it even if you had different option in Daa. 

[Dai Grepher]

It does , some things are made canon even if you had a choice in previous games , Alistair mentions in dai that he met his sister in the fade, what happened only if you took him to the circle in dao what means Alistair was with HoF during that quest and you can't influence it.Also same for Anders and Justice that were accepted by WC and you can't do anything about it even if you had different option in Daa. 

 

But what if Alistair became a drunk and doesn't show up in Inquisition?