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[RoseLawliet]

Did the friendly neighborhood darkspawn magister's original (as of DAI) body survive the explosion, or did he perhaps respawn from a Warden elsewhere? Either option makes me scratch my head.

 

If the Corypheus we see at the battle of Haven is the same one from before the Conclave, how was he able to survive the explosion? This is the same being who panicked and flew away when a "mere" avalanche happened. Looking at the devastation of the structure of the Temple of Sacred Ashes and the corpses, I honestly wonder if an avalanche would have harmed him.

 

However, if he respawned, the question becomes "How did he regain the orb?" Justinia kicked it out of his hand, we were the last one to touch it, the place exploded, and then Solas would have calmly strolled up looking for his toy. Of course, since we had the Anchor, his plan still would have messed up. Regardless, Corypheus would not have had the orb in his possession.

[BansheeOwnage]

Well, the avalanche may or may not have killed him, but there is no point getting yourself buried and digging yourself out when you can fly away instead. But how he got the orb back before Solas, who presumably looked for it as soon as the explosion happened, I have been wondering myself. I suppose there must have been other Grey Wardens nearby who survived. Actually, I think I remember seeing some of the bodies in the first mission having Warden armour, so not all of them were in the room with him. And since he can float/fly, he could conceivably beat Solas to it. I don't know why he wouldn't mop up the stragglers afterwards though, with his dragon as support.

[RoseLawliet]

Where did you see Warden armor? I thought it was supposed to be some sort of big reveal that he'd been working with Wardens. Then again, I guess we could have all been terribly unobservant. (We being my Inquisitor and party. Not you. I don't do tone well when I'm tired.)

[Ashaantha]

I saw some corpses with warden armour throughout the intro/tutorial bit where you're still a prisoner trying to close the breach for the first time (and only managing to stabilise it a bit)

[Gervaise]

I think that Solas immediately rushing in to grab his orb would have looked rather suspicious.    In the first scene with the explosion we see that not all the people in the surrounding area perished.    Any charged with guarding from this precise situation would immediately want to find out what happened.   To have found an apostate mage roaming the area would very likely have resulted in his arrest and summary execution, bearing in mind that the last time a Chantry building was blown up a mage was definitely responsible.   When things had settled down a bit and Solas thought it safe to take a look, he found the orb gone.    At this point he may still not have thought that  Corypheus made away with it but that one of the soldiers may have salvaged it.   Hence his initial approach to the Inquisition.

 

I'm pretty certain Corypheus respawned in a nearby Warden, since Morrigan maintained there was no limit to his range.    It would seem that simply having the shell of the body is sufficient, since the Warden he jumped to in the Temple of Mythal was already dead.   So whilst the people in the immediate location were fried, he likely had more Wardens close at hand and in fact closer than Solas, who we are told was seen at a nearby village at the time of the explosion.   (Clearly taking no chances over the extent of the blast zone).

[Hydwn]

It's strongly implied he respawned.  Solas explains in Trespasser that he expected the explosion to kill Corypheus and that he had "not expected a Tevinter Magister to have discovered the secret of effective immortality."  

 

Since he can respawn in any Warden, that is likely what he did.  I suspect he keeps some of his dominated Wardens close, but not too close - as he did at the Temple of Mythal to respawn there without having to come all the way back.  And if that old elven trap could kill him, the massive explosion at the Temple of the Sacred Ashes surely would have.  I'd guess there were some Wardens at or near Haven.

[Mlady]

I think Corypheus respawned same as he did at Mythal's temple. Same as he did in Legacy after we think we killed him with Hawke and co.

[TK514]

We also know, from Legacy and from Bianca's description of the Warden she assisted, that Cory doesn't have to immediately go all 'Tainted Magister' when he takes over a Warden's body.  He could have chosen to retain the Warden's shape and offered to assist in finding survivors in the aftermath of the explosion, giving himself full access to the site in order to reclaim the Orb.  Then he just made his way out of the area once he was done.  No one would have been the wiser.

[Mlady]

We also know, from Legacy and from Bianca's description of the Warden she assisted, that Cory doesn't have to immediately go all 'Tainted Magister' when he takes over a Warden's body.  He could have chosen to retain the Warden's shape and offered to assist in finding survivors in the aftermath of the explosion, giving himself full access to the site in order to reclaim the Orb.  Then he just made his way out of the area once he was done.  No one would have been the wiser.

 

I agree. At the end of Legacy whoever you chose to side with looks and acts a bit odd, but they don't change into him. He was in a hurry at the Temple when he did that. It was a race to the Well.

[BansheeOwnage]

Speaking of the Wardens, I always thought it was interesting that the Inquisitor knew, without knowing, about the Wardens and the Nightmare demon since the explosion. If you read the codex entries about their recovery, you'll see that they were muttering about "The Grey" and "Too many eyes". It would have been kind of cool that was brought up when you play HLtA.

[Mlady]

Speaking of the Wardens, I always thought it was interesting that the Inquisitor knew, without knowing, about the Wardens and the Nightmare demon since the explosion. If you read the codex entries about their recovery, you'll see that they were muttering about "The Grey" and "Too many eyes". It would have been kind of cool that was brought up when you play HLtA.

 

It kind of was, because he/she was muttering forgotten memories as the Divine said.

[BansheeOwnage]

It kind of was, because he/she was muttering forgotten memories as the Divine said.

Yeah, but I meant that specifically. Also... if the Nightmare stole those memories, how did you mutter them in the first place?

[PsychoBlonde]

Did the friendly neighborhood darkspawn magister's original (as of DAI) body survive the explosion, or did he perhaps respawn from a Warden elsewhere? Either option makes me scratch my head.

 

If the Corypheus we see at the battle of Haven is the same one from before the Conclave, how was he able to survive the explosion? This is the same being who panicked and flew away when a "mere" avalanche happened. Looking at the devastation of the structure of the Temple of Sacred Ashes and the corpses, I honestly wonder if an avalanche would have harmed him.

 

However, if he respawned, the question becomes "How did he regain the orb?" Justinia kicked it out of his hand, we were the last one to touch it, the place exploded, and then Solas would have calmly strolled up looking for his toy. Of course, since we had the Anchor, his plan still would have messed up. Regardless, Corypheus would not have had the orb in his possession.

 

Corypheus took a number of Grey Wardens with him to the Conclave.  So this could have happened:

 

1.  Corypheus gets exploded

2.  He respawns very close by and cusses a bunch

3.  While everyone ls lying around going "OMG IT EXPLODED WAIT ARE THOSE DEMONS!?!?!" Corypheus runs in and snags the orb

 

OR

 

1. Corpheus gets exploded

2. He respawns not particularly nearby

3.  The orb gets blasted into the Fade with the Herald and the Nightmare be like "oh, hey, doesn't this belong to my boss?  Why don't I make you forget some stuff while you're here, tee hee"

 

Either way there was someone on-site and ready to snag the orb for Cory before Solas could get there, and nobody else knew it existed or was important.

[AnUnculturedLittlePotato]

Corypheus took a number of Grey Wardens with him to the Conclave.  So this could have happened:

 

1.  Corypheus gets exploded

2.  He respawns very close by and cusses a bunch

3.  While everyone ls lying around going "OMG IT EXPLODED WAIT ARE THOSE DEMONS!?!?!" Corypheus runs in and snags the orb

 

OR

 

1. Corpheus gets exploded

2. He respawns not particularly nearby

3.  The orb gets blasted into the Fade with the Herald and the Nightmare be like "oh, hey, doesn't this belong to my boss?  Why don't I make you forget some stuff while you're here, tee hee"

 

Either way there was someone on-site and ready to snag the orb for Cory before Solas could get there, and nobody else knew it existed or was important.

Somehow the nightmare demon does seem like the type to tee hee.

[Dai Grepher]

Cory respawned in a nearby Warden corpse. He got back to the epicenter before anyone could, grabbed the orb, and left with it to figure out what went wrong. He assumed the interloper was killed.

 

Solas probably planned for the orb to be left at the scene, and that no one searching the area would notice it or think it important. Solas would then reclaim the orb either at the epicenter or from whoever recovered it.

 

Also remember that Solas had agents at this time. Some may have already been inserted into the Chantry, though that doesn't seem likely. Solas had no idea Corypheus would choose the conclave as the time and place for the orb's unlocking. But he may have had some people ready to take the orb by force if needed.

[Mlady]

Yeah, but I meant that specifically. Also... if the Nightmare stole those memories, how did you mutter them in the first place?

 

As the Divine said, it is the nightmare you forget upon waking.

[thats1evildude]

Simple answer: when Corypheus respawns, his possessions go with him. In this case, that included the orb.

[D_Schattenjager]

Solas had no idea Corypheus would choose the conclave as the time and place for the orb's unlocking. But he may have had some people ready to take the orb by force if needed.

 

Then what was he doing in nearby village?

[D_Schattenjager]

Simple answer: when Corypheus respawns, his possessions go with him. In this case, that included the orb.

He came back for the Orb, Quizzy was touching the Orb when the explosion happened ...

[thats1evildude]

He came back for the Orb, Quizzy was touching the Orb when the explosion happened ...

 

I know, but the Orb didn't go with the Inquisitor into the Fade.

[RoseLawliet]

Corypheus just never struck me as one to play things safe. "Everyone, with me! Except you, Random Background Warden. You are to stay here, somewhat close by yet far enough away to avoid the blast radius of an explosion I don't think will happen, as a vessel so I can be reborn." His fatal flaw is pride or arrogance, and the most cautious we see him being is having a proxy for the Well of Sorrows. Also, I had assumed that the rest of the Wardens were being secretive in Orlais or hunting down Hawke's Warden contact.

[D_Schattenjager]

I know, but the Orb didn't go with the Inquisitor into the Fade.

Probably cause its not alive? Everything alive got physically pulled into the Fade

[Dai Grepher]

Then what was he doing in nearby village?

 

Waiting for the orb to be unlocked. He was following Corypheus at a distance, but my point is he didn't know in advance that Corypheus would choose the conclave specifically for the unlocking. So it isn't likely that he had any spies in the Chantry yet.
 

[Dai Grepher]

Corypheus just never struck me as one to play things safe. "Everyone, with me! Except you, Random Background Warden. You are to stay here, somewhat close by yet far enough away to avoid the blast radius of an explosion I don't think will happen, as a vessel so I can be reborn." His fatal flaw is pride or arrogance, and the most cautious we see him being is having a proxy for the Well of Sorrows. Also, I had assumed that the rest of the Wardens were being secretive in Orlais or hunting down Hawke's Warden contact.

 

Yet there were in fact Grey Wardens outside the blast zone as we make our way to the Breach. So...