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[almasy87]

Haha spot on.. 
There is another thread who mentions how effectively none of the DA villains are really Evil.

Now I see why.. The true evil characters are Evil HoF/Evil Hawke/Evil Quizzy   

*rolls out of the chair laughing*

[thats1evildude]

Besides Vaughan, Howe and Alrik, I would nominate Imshael. Essentially a demonic Jigsaw, but without the ridiculous notion that he's serving some grand purpose. Even Imshael's merciful acts are meant as a cruelty.

[Chiramu]

I was just about to post that myself. None in DA really are truly evil. Playing an evil character makes them the most evil, but even Corypheus I felt sorry for if you know of his past and his life. I would have to say Erimond is close though. That guy has no regrets unless you make him a Tranquil. And I have to add even Kefka wasn't born evil. he was experimented on and went crazy. Still my fav FF villain.

 

Even if Kefka wasn't born evil, everything he did was just pure evil . The villains in Dragon Age have never acted in any way to be considered pure evil imo. Even Quinten who cut apart people to form his dead lover isn't evil, what he DID was evil and wrong, but he wasn't evil. 

 

Evil means the character has no reasoning behind their actions but to cause the suffering of others, "some men just want to watch the world burn." That sort of thing . 

 

EDIT: actions and the character personality are two different things too ;p. Can't confuse them with this topic imo. 

[sylvanaerie]

Evil.

 

For me the most vile person in Thedas was Rendon Howe, greedy, backstabbing SOB.  They have yet to come up with anyone as treacherous as this character.  Did anyone hear Tim Curry's voice and not immediately think "Oh, this guy is going to be vile!"?

 

If it's an evil one: Hawke or HoF.  HoF is worse than Hawke because at least everyone dislikes evil Hawke.  HoF is the 'golden child' who can be a real SoB and in the end everyone loves him because he stops the Blight.  Most annoying special snowflake ever.

 

In no particular order: Vaughan, Branka, Meredith, Alrik, Quentin.  Few villains in Inquisition made me go more than 'meh' though Erimond pissed me off pretty much.  Corypheus was too Scooby Doo villain to do more than be an annoyance after destroying Haven.

 

Solas is the villain who worries me most because he doesn't even know how evil he truly is.  In his calm insistence that he must destroy everything to undo what he did in the past (including potentially the woman he loves) he becomes one of the most dangerous creatures in existence.  I hope Bioware flies with this and gives his portrayal justice, because he has the potential to be a truly fantastic adversary, considering your Inquisitor knows him and may even have fallen in love with him.  So far, they have done well, IMO.

[Cantina]

 Corypheus was too Scooby Doo villain to do more than be an annoyance after destroying Haven.

 

LMAO!

 

I can just see the Red Templars singing the theme song for that....

 

 

Cory Dooby Doo, Where are you?

 

We've got some evil to do now.

Cory Dooby Doo, Where are you?

 

We need some red lyrium from you now.

Come on, Cory- Dooby Doo,, I see you
pretending you've got an arch-demon.

But you're not fooling me, cause I can see when your plots

don't deliver.

You know we've got a Herald to smash so Cory-Doo
be ready for your attack.

 

Don't hold back!

And Cory-Doo if you come through you're gonna have
yourself a Grey Warden snack.

 

That's a fact!

Cory Dooby Doo, here are you.

 

You're ready and you're willing.

If we can count on you Cory- Doo

 

I know we'll catch that Inquisition.

 

[Nefla]

Vaughan. Out of the 30 odd playthroughs I've done, he's never survived a single time. I don't usually metagame, but when I do it's to kill Vaughan Kendells in his cell.

[Gervaise]

Meredith is pretty near the top of my list now.   Apart from all the things she did in DA2, including making veiled threats against my sister, who she admits is an exemplary mage, simply to blackmail me into doing her dirty work for her, there is the story of Madox.    It was implied in DA2 that all these mages being made tranquil illegally was really the work of Alric, and that somehow Meredith wasn't aware of what he was doing.    However, Cullen states that it was Meredith who made Madox tranquil for the "crime" of sending love letters.   You might also ask why Cullen didn't start questioning orders a bit sooner than he did.    So it turns out that Anders wasn't exaggerating about just how bad things were in the Gallows and in a way Orsino, Cullen and Elthina were implicated in what went on since it is pretty evident if a person is a normal functioning mage one day and a tranquil the next.   Oh yes, the Seekers come in for some blame too, since they should have started asking questions the moment Alric sent that letter to the Divine suggesting that all mages in the Freemarches should be made tranquil.

 

The thing is on the whole individuals aren't totally evil but their actions are.    Very often the character doesn't even see their actions as evil but justifies them to themselves, like Solas saying that the people of modern day Thedas, like his friend/lover the Inquisitor, deserve better but his actions are necessary.    As though he was somehow justified in taking action that will destroy the world in which they live and everything in it, which he implies is what his actions will do.

 

Take Michel, the noble Chevalier, who accidentally released a demon and it now trying to hunt it down to undo his action.    If you have only played DAI you won't know the real truth about him.    That by his actions an entire clan of Dalish were horribly killed by the demon and he stood by and let it happen because the clan had been less than sympathetic towards him and his Empress.   That despite having an elven mother, he was quite willing to advance himself by undergoing Chevalier training that included being let loose in the alienage to kill any elves that hadn't had the good sense to get off the streets when they saw them coming.   People rightly condemn Vaughan for his actions but the girl in the market place, who had to flee Orlais because her brother attacked a Chevalier who was trying to rape her, tells us that in Orlais the Chevaliers are considered to have Divine Right to behave exactly as they please where commoners are concerned and it is a crime to question their actions or prevent them.   

 

So a better question might be, who are the really noble, good characters, without some hidden stain on their reputation, who you can hold up as exemplars of true heroism.    Dig down a bit and you find the list is really rather short.    That is the nature of Dragon Age.

[Xetykins]

It has to be the Evil Warden first. I killed everyone who can be killed, defiled everything that can be defiled and sacrificed everything for a meager power. In the end I was left with just dog and Alistair. And then fed Alistair to the archdemon. Not the kind of play through I want to experience again though. It was horrible but I want to experience what DAO can do and it did not fail to deliver. My epilogue was pretty empty.

Howe second.
Vaugn third
Solas 4th
Loghain 5th

[sniper_arrow]

It has to be the Evil Warden first. I killed everyone who can be killed, defiled everything that can be defiled and sacrificed everything for a meager power. In the end I was left with just dog and Alistair. And then fed Alistair to the archdemon. Not the kind of play through I want to experience again though. It was horrible but I want to experience what DAO can do and it did not fail to deliver. My epilogue was pretty empty.

Howe second.
Vaugn third
Solas 4th
Loghain 5th

 

I had Alistair executed after making Loghain a Warden.

[kimgoold]

Anora and Vivienne (soulmates) 

 

Loghain

 

DA2 Anders

 

Vaughn Kendalls

 

Erimond

[Teddie Sage]

The Chantry Extremists and the Qun for me.

[trevelyan_shep]

I'd say the Chantry, and chevaliers.

[vertigomez]

I can't believe I forgot about Danarius. He's a smug, power-hungry, abusive, manipulative, two-faced, slaveowning rapist. LITERALLY THE WORST.

[Ashagar]

Vaughan and Alrik strike me as the most unapologetically evil. (Gascard duPuis was pretty awful, too. Worse than Quentin, even.) Though their actions are targeted at comparatively few - no world domination plots here - they treat people like objects and cause pain and suffering for their own gratification. They feel no remorse or empathy. They don't have some twisted logic motivating them, they're not possessed or Tainted, they're not an extremist with good intentions. They're just really, really selfish and they either don't care if they hurt others or they revel in it.

 

I'd add Arl Howe to that list given other than slaughtering the Cousland warden's family, friends and servants and selling elves into slavery he gets his jollies in torturing people before bed for no other reason than he can. Still it should be remembered that being evil doesn't mean there can't be something sympathetic or tragic about a villain... it doesn't make them any not evil.

[loyallyroyal]

I'm surprised Branka turning people into broodmothers doesnt rank higher.

[fhs33721]

1. Probably the Nightmare. I mean it's a giant demon thing that feeds on Fear and actively does it's best to cause even more terror in Thedas.

2. Imshael. He gleefully murders people and forces them to make sadistic choices just for his own sick amusement.

3. Ser Alrik. No more needs to be said.

4. Vaughn Kendell. He aspires to Alriks level of depravity but doesn't quite reach it.

 

Others that are extremly evil by my standards but don't quite make it to my top list are Howe, Corypheus, Branka, the Baroness and of course the Requisition officer (No I don't want to collect 20 rocks again. Leave me alone and stop talking to me as soon as I come anywhere near you.)

[Gaia300]

 

 

  HoF is the 'golden child' who can be a real SoB and in the end everyone loves him because he stops the Blight.  Most annoying special snowflake ever.

 

 

 This one,even after my warden killed Loghain Anora was "happy" at the post coronation when she  congratulated with her.

and all those malefic deeds of the Warden none say nothing..not even DUncan in that Op video....

[Aren]

First place the Evil Hero of Ferelden no doubt.

Just look at what an evil creature is this Warden

[htisscrimbliv]

Duncan, he only agrees to save your life if you swear allegiance to a blood drinking cult of murderers. And he kills someone for not wanting to die because of his family. If i was the real warden, duncan would be laying down in a pile of bloo... Oh wait. Too soon?

[Aren]

Duncan, he only agrees to save your life if you swear allegiance to a blood drinking cult of murderers. And he kills someone for not wanting to die because of his family. If i was the real warden, duncan would be laying down in a pile of bloo... Oh wait. Too soon?

And i still fail to understand as for why Alistair loved the man so much,sure it was his family and all that,but didn't he see that what Duncan was doing was pointless murdering?

How can he be possibly like a man who killed a father for nothing?

Anora know the joining ,many know that is lethal,that poor man didn't deserve to die just because he saw the joining,is pointless evil.

[Reznore57]

I'd say Solas , I know some people are going to throw rocks at me for this but ...the man is cold.

He joined you and the Inquisition to retrieve his orb , so he can destroy you , your companions and everything you're trying to save.

He can even romance the Inquisitor , knowing again he'll kill her and destroy everything she cherish in the future.

 

I can't get over his sad face over his broken orb while everyone was looking for survivors and cheering up about saving the world.

Or the "I am not a monster".

I picture him getting his orb back at Haven and doing his thing and everyone dying in raw chaos instead of going back to Skyhold and party like it's 1999 , and it's just awful .

 

I mean Anders blowing up a Chantry was terrible but this is so so much worse.

[Zaalbar]

I'm gonna go with Branka and Rendon Howe.

Those two are operating on a level of evil that is just plain disturbing.

[ottffsse]

First place the Evil Hero of Ferelden no doubt.
Just look at what an evil creature is this Warden
https://www.youtube....h?v=qqUhRL_E5FU

Man, those were some fun times back then, I get nostalgia watching all that senseless sadism.

[BraveVesperia]

I think the most evil people are: Branka, Vaughn, Howe, Alrik, Karras, Meredith, Danarius, Caladrius, The Baroness, Ulric (the Circle quest guy). I didn't despise many Inquisition villains as much, but a special mention goes to that templar (Lieutenant Denam?) who purposefully corrupts the templars with red lyium. Also Erimond, I guess. That guy was a dick. These are all people I think are irredeemable. Everyone else probably could make amends for their misdeeds.

 

I'm surprised that a few people have named Vivienne. She doesn't strike me as evil.

 

Edit: Damn, how did I forget Quentin? He's definitely on the list.

[kimgoold]

I'd say Solas , I know some people are going to throw rocks at me for this but ...the man is cold.

He joined you and the Inquisition to retrieve his orb , so he can destroy you , your companions and everything you're trying to save.

He can even romance the Inquisitor , knowing again he'll kill her and destroy everything she cherish in the future.

 

I can't get over his sad face over his broken orb while everyone was looking for survivors and cheering up about saving the world.

Or the "I am not a monster".

I picture him getting his orb back at Haven and doing his thing and everyone dying in raw chaos instead of going back to Skyhold and party like it's 1999 , and it's just awful .

 

I mean Anders blowing up a Chantry was terrible but this is so so much worse.

Wow you are so right