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[Al Foley]

And to add to that, we find a journal about the boy dying from it and they suggest locking him in his home to stop the spreading. We actually enter that home. That was the one blocked by boxes. That's what I loved about DAI too. You may not see it, but when you combine the atmosphere with the codex, you get a real feel for what's going on around you.

Shame I never really read those that much I am being a lot better three play througs in which is funny, because I always thought 'Fallen Sister' in the Emerald Graves was about a rescue mission for those people you find there and that quest never made sense...read the codex and reveal she is a 'fallen sister' through and through. 

[Al Foley]

The blatant Skyrim copying, the running in the opposite direction of DA 2, sanitizing the game world... 

 

Good game, great game, but the weakest of the three Dragon Ages. 

 

The success of the Witcher 3 should at least ensure that the tone of DAO and DA2 returns in the next installment.

Returns?  It never left.  At least not in my opinion.  DA I is plenty nasty.  

[Mlady]

Shame I never really read those that much I am being a lot better three play througs in which is funny, because I always thought 'Fallen Sister' in the Emerald Graves was about a rescue mission for those people you find there and that quest never made sense...read the codex and reveal she is a 'fallen sister' through and through. 

 

Yep! I also had to go back a few times and read that stuff. The one I'm still trying to figure out is the little girl mage in the haunted chateau. It's implied the demon had her family dance to death or something, but what was in the box is what I never understood. Was it the dead girl (Arcane Horror) or the demon? Also that library in the chateau is in Trespasser. That was curious.

 

 

Returns?  It never left.  At least not in my opinion.  DA I is plenty nasty.  

 

Witcher 3 had the visible gore and darkness, but DAI hid most of it in codex, so people who want that stuff from DAO and DA2 back lean toward TW3 since it's a lot like that.

[Al Foley]

Yep! I also had to go back a few times and read that stuff. The one I'm still trying to figure out is the little girl mage in the haunted chateau. It's implied the demon had her family dance to death or something, but what was in the box is what I never understood. Was it the dead girl (Arcane Horror) or the demon? Also that library in the chateau is in Trespasser. That was curious.

I figure it was the girl.  

 

Anyways my fourth play through if I get around to making it again I will be a lot more dilligent about reading the codexes from the start.  I have just made reading the codexes (still not all of them) a sthing and I am about 20 hours into Benjamin's run.  

[correctamundo]

They were using Deathroot to cure the plague instead of Elfroot if I read it right.

 

Elfroot for the cough and spindleweed for the fever but were given deathroot .-`(

[Mlady]

I figure it was the girl.  

 

Anyways my fourth play through if I get around to making it again I will be a lot more dilligent about reading the codexes from the start.  I have just made reading the codexes (still not all of them) a sthing and I am about 20 hours into Benjamin's run.  

 

I found it worth it because it makes the story even more intense. In fact all those side quests in the Plains, Graves, Hissing Wastes and Emprise du Lion are all connected to cutting down Cory's army and with each one defeated by you, the notes to each leader tells of what you did and changes based on where you went first lol

 

 

Elfroot for the cough and spindleweed for the fever but were given deathroot .-`(

 

That's it! Yeah that was sad.

[Akrabra]

It really isn't. Atleast not on praise by critics and fans level. Mass Effect 2 is the highest rated Bioware game ever on Metacritics, followed by BG:II Shadows of Amn. Userscore is abit different though, but not much. If we are talking about what we the players think individually then ofc this can be the best Bioware game to date for you. Personally i still think Dragon Age Origins is the best Bioware game ever made, and the best game ever made. 

[Mlady]

It really isn't. Atleast not on praise by critics and fans level. Mass Effect 2 is the highest rated Bioware game ever on Metacritics, followed by BG:II Shadows of Amn. Userscore is abit different though, but not much. If we are talking about what we the players think individually then ofc this can be the best Bioware game to date for you. Personally i still think Dragon Age Origins is the best Bioware game ever made, and the best game ever made. 

 

I actually agree. I first got into DA by playing DA2. I loved it, but then I bought DAO to understand the story better and to this day, that feeling when I first fought and killed the Archdemon and saw the epilogue, I was freakin' beaming! DA2 and DAI were emotional too, but not in the same way DAO was because I actually felt like I was a hero and I usually don't get that feeling in any game I play.

[Al Foley]

I actually agree. I first got into DA by playing DA2. I loved it, but then I bought DAO to understand the story better and to this day, that feeling when I first fought and killed the Archdemon and saw the epilogue, I was freakin' beaming! DA2 and DAI were emotional too, but not in the same way DAO was because I actually felt like I was a hero and I usually don't get that feeling in any game I play.

(somtimes I feel my only reason to exisist on this forum is just to make contrary posts to everyone but...)  

 

Ugh I really wish I got that feeling from the end battle of Origins.  After the Landsmeet the whole game just fell apart for me.  And it was not all that great before that.  But I hated the last few missions in Origins so badly.  One of the reasons why I rate the game so low personally.  It felt like the ME 3 'Priority Earth' but everything was taken up to eleven.  

 

Now Trespasser.  The end, the credits, the epulogue, had me beaming like an idiot and crying like a two year old. 

[AFA]

Returns?  It never left.  At least not in my opinion.  DA I is plenty nasty.  

 

To me, the tone wasn't even close. Made DAO look like Drakengard in comparison. Replaying DAO makes it very evident.

 

Almost everything harsh happened on the war table or in codex. The Mage-Templar War and the Orleasian War might as well not have been happening at all. 

 

You never get to see the rotten guts of the world in Inquisition, like you do in DAO or especially DA2

[Mlady]

(somtimes I feel my only reason to exisist on this forum is just to make contrary posts to everyone but...)  

 

Ugh I really wish I got that feeling from the end battle of Origins.  After the Landsmeet the whole game just fell apart for me.  And it was not all that great before that.  But I hated the last few missions in Origins so badly.  One of the reasons why I rate the game so low personally.  It felt like the ME 3 'Priority Earth' but everything was taken up to eleven.  

 

Now Trespasser.  The end, the credits, the epulogue, had me beaming like an idiot and crying like a two year old. 

 

I guess I lucked out or just played it in a way that it worked.

 

After I saved the Circle, broke the curse on the Elves and saved Orzammar, I went to the Landsmeet, saved the elves from the slaves and then conscripted Loghain and had Alistair and Anora agree to marry. As I left, I first went to the Keep to open it up and on my way to Redcliffe, I took Wynne and Loghain with me to Ostagar to retrieve the King's stuff, then I made it to Redcliffe, had Morrigan and Loghain do the ritual and then off to save the world! I think the AD battle had to be the funniest thing ever because of the mistakes I made, but in the end when I beat him and saw everyone at the ceremony, it just felt great! I had also done everyone's quests and had high friendships and everyone was alive. It was a really lovely ending. I have never been able to achieve that feeling again.

 

Oh wow... Trespasser was amazing! 2nd to DAO for me. I felt so connected to my Inquisitor in that one! My first time through it I was a Lavellan who romanced Solas. Having everyone from Viv, to Sera, to Blackwall to Leliana ask about him just added to the feels. Then Cole as a spirit kept telling me all these things about him and the whole trip to find him and stop the Qunari (and that music!!!), plus disbanding angrily to redeem Solas it truly was a great ending for DAI for me. Then I played again and romanced Bull and my Trevelyan and him will be married and he was right by her side at the ending too in the war room. That was great too, but all of it was bittersweet. 

[Al Foley]

I guess I lucked out or just played it in a way that it worked.

 

After I saved the Circle, broke the curse on the Elves and saved Orzammar, I went to the Landsmeet, saved the elves from the slaves and then conscripted Loghain and had Alistair and Anora agree to marry. As I left, I first went to the Keep to open it up and on my way to Redcliffe, I took Wynne and Loghain with me to Ostagar to retrieve the King's stuff, then I made it to Redcliffe, had Morrigan and Loghain do the ritual and then off to save the world! I think the AD battle had to be the funniest thing ever because of the mistakes I made, but in the end when I beat him and saw everyone at the ceremony, it just felt great! I had also done everyone's quests and had high friendships and everyone was alive. It was a really lovely ending. I have never been able to achieve that feeling again.

 

Oh wow... Trespasser was amazing! 2nd to DAO for me. I felt so connected to my Inquisitor in that one! My first time through it I was a Lavellan who romanced Solas. Having everyone from Viv, to Sera, to Blackwall to Leliana ask about him just added to the feels. Then Cole as a spirit kept telling me all these things about him and the whole trip to find him and stop the Qunari and that music!!!), plus disbanding angrily to redeem Solas it truly was a great ending for DAI for me. Then I played again and romanced Bull and my Trevelyan and him will be married and he was right by her side at the ending too in the war room. That was great too!

Ha! Kara angrilly disbanded too after vowing to save him from imself too.  And yeah Trespasser did a great job in solidifying the Inquisitor as the second favorite RPG protagonist of all time. 

[Morroian]

Kotor and BG2 are my favourite BW games. DAI is a good game but down the list of favourites, I say favourite and not best because that implies objectivety. DAI may be the OPs favourite game but s/he gives no objectives reasons why it should be considered best. 

[Ariella]

This is probably bait, but I'll bite...

I see DAI getting bashed on plenty of forums outside of BSN. When it launched there was a lot of people praising it to the heavens, but time and a bit of perspective has caused many to reevaluate their views on the game and see the flaws that were not initially obvious. The subsequent release of Witcher 3, which arguably did many aspects of an open world game better, also caused people to look more critically at DAI than they has previously. Having said all that, DAI is not a bad game, but it's not even close to being Bioware's best game either.

Okay, I wasn't going to say anything but this... And picking the game apart after was unexpected? Of course people were going to complain given enough time. Human nature, and considering how some people have acted in regard to Bioware/CDPR I'm not surprised that there were those screaming about how much better TW3 was than DAI especially at the beginning when TW3 flaws weren't apparent.

"The Best" is of course, subject to debate. I, personally, have trouble picking a "best". I do know I'm more attached to this cast than any other Bioware game. I think the world is both better looking and more organic than the other DA titles. I also think it's a really good story, but that's me.

[NKnight7]

I liked Inquisition and it was my personal GOTY for last year, but ME2 will always be my favorite Bioware game.

[straykat]

I don't think it's the best or worst game they've done, but I think it's the most simplisitic main plot and protagonist. I think the backstory is a step backwards, and is more like TES than Bioware. "Prisoner turned savior". I've come to expect more sophisticated set ups from them (and by "them", I mean Bioware. Not me. I can write my own backstory too, but when you're a fan of someone, you generally want more from their part. Not less).

 

The gameplay isn't anything special nor particularly challenging, but I'm actually forgiving with gameplay and just go through the motions. Like running on a hamster wheel. I doubt hamsters find it interesting either, but they somehow still do it.

[Darkly Tranquil]

Okay, I wasn't going to say anything but this... And picking the game apart after was unexpected? Of course people were going to complain given enough time. Human nature, and considering how some people have acted in regard to Bioware/CDPR I'm not surprised that there were those screaming about how much better TW3 was than DAI especially at the beginning when TW3 flaws weren't apparent.

Honestly not sure what point you're attempting to make here; of course it was expected. All I was saying is that DAI for hyped way beyond what it deserved at launch, and once people calmed down and really looked hard at it, it's many flaws became apparent. I criticised it at the time and predicted that once people really looked at it, they would see the serious design problems it had, and eventually many people did. That doesn't mean that Inquisition is bad, as I have said many times, it's still a pretty decent game, but I see it's critical accolades as being largely the product of a paucity of competition.

Regarding the Witcher 3, I'm not a rabid Witcher fanboy (I actually probably enjoyed DAI more than TW3 if anything), and I have no issue saying that Witcher 3 has it's own set off issues and flaws that can be pointed out (weak combat, obtuse controls, horrible inventory, unnecessarily complicated crafting system). All I said was that Witcher 3 "did some elements of the open world better" (specifically integrating side quests into the main story), and that comparative experience caused people to reflect on some of the things Bioware did in Inquisition in a less favourable light.

[nOrio_26]

Maybe it's bait, don't care.

 

DAI is my first Bioware game, and I like it so much. btw, I come from China,many my firends there love it,too.

 

Though it has lot of problem,but it still great.

[Donk]

I don't think it's the best or worst game they've done, but I think it's the most simplisitic main plot and protagonist. I think the backstory is a step backwards, and is more like TES than Bioware. "Prisoner turned savior". I've come to expect more sophisticated set ups from them (and by "them", I mean Bioware. Not me. I can write my own backstory too, but when you're a fan of someone, you generally want more from their part. Not less).

 

The gameplay isn't anything special nor particularly challenging, but I'm actually forgiving with gameplay and just go through the motions. Like running on a hamster wheel. I doubt hamsters find it interesting either, but they somehow still do it.

 

My feelings about the game are mixed, and my opinion about it has changed a few times since its release.

 

On my first ever playthrough I was amazed and loved it, it was only on my second playthrough that I started feeling like.. okay, maybe it isn't as good as I thought. My two major problems are with the clunky style combat (after DA2's smooth, fast bloodfest) and the protagonist.. or rather, their lines. And yes, I'm one of those people who misses Hawke's sass. The Inquisitor, if you pick the dialogue options closest to sass, is a bit of a joke in comparison. And not the funny kind.. the lame kind. Granted there were a couple of good moments. I also took issue with how they react when confronting Coryphishit for the first time. Each response made me cringe.. I don't want any of my protags sounding like a stuttering 14 year old girl lmao. Hell, even Max from Life is Strange had more badarse lines.

 

Other than that... all of those sidequests were draining, but I had to do most of them because I wanted to level. And after recent patches it became more rewarding in regard to loot, so that's a plus.

 

To me, I think DAI's DLCs improved the game a hell of a lot. Even Jaws of Hakkon was pleasantly surprising.

 

My verdict is that BioWare can't do the open world gig as well as others. I say leave it to Bethesda, or even CDPR, and go back to what they are adept at.

[Gileadan]

Not sure if OP is serious, but here goes.

 

I think Inquisition is thoroughly mediocre, and unfortunately it doesn't achieve this by being mediocre in all aspects, but by being very good in some parts and pretty awful in others.

 

Firstly, I love the cast of companions. I get easily annoyed, but in Inquisition there was no one I didn't enjoy taking along and I changed up my group pretty much every time I left home. They had great dialogue and banter (when it worked) lines which were delivered with stellar voice acting. 

 

The landscapes I wandered through are a thing of beauty. I might have been fine with one less desert, but that's a mere quibble compared with the grandeur and diversity of scenery BioWare had put into the game. 

 

And then they go ahead and combine this with a weak main plot and side content that's so lame that Skyrim's radiant quest system can procedurally generate quests I find way more interesting to play than Inquisition's "click the letter for a text popup and then run where it tells you to" kind of thing. If a great cast of characters is BioWare's positive specialty, then producing utterly soulless side quests is their negative one ever since DA2.

 

I still played through the game with a rather high motivation, but it took me a while to realize that I was mostly driven by the hope to experience another moment like In Your Heart Shall Burn. But that moment never came, so I resigned myself to looking forward to an epic final confrontation with Coryphywaffles...only to have him keel over after what seemed a rather one-sided fight.

 

And finally the Inquisitor's voice overs and "emotion" wheel. Sigh. I hoped there would be moments to show anger and conviction, humor, compassion... but I felt that all I got was neutral with slight variations. When I wanted to be furious, I got "slightly grumpy". When I wanted to show sadness, I got "mildly put off". It took them until Trespasser to get away from the neutral tone for at least one scene.

 

It could have been so much better.

[CoM Solaufein]

I don't know. Its cutting it real close to Kotor. I'm a big Star Wars fan especially in the Old Republic setting.

[Nefla]

It was 2014 GOTY and won various accolades from the gamin community, the bsn is the forums where this game gets panned. This is the turning point for Bioware and the rest of their games should look @ DAI and follow suit.

 

Which is why i think ME:A taking notes from Inquisition is a good thing. Just wanted to post this as a thanks to bioware for such an amazing game, easily their best and not it isnt up for debate.

 

Anyway should future bioware games takes ntoes from Inquisition? I mean why wouldnt they?

If you're right about that, I'm definitely glad of my decision not to buy or even look into the next ME.

[Majestic Jazz]

If you're right about that, I'm definitely glad of my decision not to buy or even look into the next ME.

 

Again, this is why I think the OP is sort of ninja-trolling us. It has been confirmed that MEA will NOT be like Dragon Age: Inquisition and thank God for that!

 

 

"But after that, the next Mass Effect will be (and should be) drawing on its own rich and successful past more than what DAI would say it should do. Take the Mako, something we've already shown in prototype form. We had that in ME1, and bringing it back is more related to a feeling that we can do it much better than we did before and fulfill the original promise of that gameplay. That has nothing to do with DAI. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that dropping the older consoles has had more impact on the overall gameplay goals of the next Mass Effect game than what DAI successfully accomplished.

 

"We're very proud of what DAI has achieved, but that does not set a 'template' for what every other game we make needs to be. Each game franchise needs to innovate and improve their experience based on what's best for it, not just what another game had success with because 'well that was successful'."

[Al Foley]

Again, this is why I think the OP is sort of ninja-trolling us. It has been confirmed that MEA will NOT be like Dragon Age: Inquisition and thank God for that!

I wouldn't take that as too much gospel either way.  We have no idea in what way, ME A will be nothing like Inquisition in.  They could be reffering to any number of things by that statement.  They could still have a large open ish world filled with several fetch quests. 

[MaxQuartiroli]

I still consider BG2 to be the best game Bioware ever made... by far.