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[Iakus]

Uhh....they aren't?

Liara has to be beaten off with a stick in the first game and never seems to get the message in multiple games if you inadvertently express something that could be interpreted as even the slightest interest at any point (I.e. not being a huge dick to her).

Kaidan drops not so subtle hints with fair frequency that should be rather obvious given his usually introverted personality.

Miranda engages in what could be construed as mild sexual harrassment if Broshep says something innocuous to the effect of "nice to see you smile for a change" after her loyalty mission.

Jack literally proposes to screw before you can even do the proper "romance."

Thane affectionately starts calling you "siha" (i.e. goddess) out of nowhere because you merely helped him stop being a shitty parent and chose not to be a dick about it by rubbing it in.

Tali has the completely obvious "what could I possibly suggesting?" pass after her mission as well as interpreting the neutral reply that's something to the effect of, "it's to dangerous even if I'm interested" as "I am interested", and has to be explicitly told no.

There are others that have to be pushed a bit but it usually matches their personality. The only thing I find strange is that most of the female LI's seem unusually more aggressive compared to some of the males (Garrus, initially Jacob). Admittely, for the ones who do make passes at you, you have to go and talk to them to advance the subplot, but that is a characteristic of the medium. 

Wow, I had nearly forgotten about Miranda practically draping herself over her desk for maleShepard if he comments on her smiling 

 

I'm going to assume it's a bug that Thane's whispering "Siha" in maleShep's dream sequence in ME3...

 

But yeah, FemShep is practically tearing Garrus's armor off before he takes a hint.

[Iakus]

I had no problem in ME1 with Liara making advances. Maybe I picked dialogue that avoided any advances. What bothered me is in ME2 on Illium, my Shepard gets a what-the-crap hug from the asari even after I told her I would throw her back in the volcano in ME1

Same reason Garrus is canonically your bro even if you never recruited him in ME1.

[themikefest]

Same reason Garrus is canonically your bro even if you never recruited him in ME1.

 I don't consider him to be one.

[Iakus]

 I don't consider him to be one.

That's okay, he does 

[themikefest]

That's okay, he does 

He can keep believing that if he wants.

[Quarian Master Race]

Same reason Garrus is canonically your bro even if you never recruited him in ME1.

and also trolls Tali about the racist elevator comments he never got to make in ME2 and is best buds with Wrex come ME3 even if he has never met him to that point.

He's hardly the the only example, though. I can't activate Legion without it and its platform doppelganger becoming Shepard's brobot even if I never interact with it except to tell it to sod off when it tries to steal private effects from people and intentionally send it to its destruction in the suicide mission. Oh, and Tali still gets the "we murdered a friend" line even when she not 5 minutes earlier contemptuously called the not-Legion a "thing".

The writers (ME3 in particular) often really didn't bother to come up with lines for anything but the preferred playthrough matching their Kumbaya singing transhumanist hippie psychosis ideology.

[AlanC9]

They were orobably out of wordcount.

[Quarian Master Race]

They were orobably out of wordcount.

If they're going to inadvertently give characters MPD in autodialouge they may as well not bother putting those options in at all and simply give us a preset narrative and completely predefined character with little deviation

Besides, "wordcount" is hardly the issue here. For Garrus, they could have just not had his chummy dialouges with other ME1 characters trigger if he didn't really know them. The wouldn't have even needed to write whole new lines. The forced brobot relationship with actual Legion I can excuse because it is hardly unique in that regard as far as forced friendships with recurring squadmates, but for not-Legion they didn't seem to know whether or not to write characters as confrontational toward it or not, so they end up being schizophrenics treating it like the lying, pretentious, totally-not-alive at all toaster that it is one moment, and their best friend and a living sentient being that has a soul or a heart or whatever other pinnochio/tinman crap the next.

[Mirrman70]

I have never found myself accidentally in a romance. ever. it is not that hard to avoid them. at all.

[Iakus]

I have never found myself accidentally in a romance. ever. it is not that hard to avoid them. at all.

Imagine my surpsise my first ME2 playthrough when Jack walked into my cabin...

[AlanC9]

I have never found myself accidentally in a romance. ever. it is not that hard to avoid them. at all.

Except when there are outright bugs, as in DA:O with Leliana and ME1 Liara.

Dunno about Jack -- all of my ME2 males who didn't go after Jack went after some other ME2 option.

[Mirrman70]

Except when there are outright bugs, as in DA:O with Leliana. And IIRC Liara in ME1.

 

except I have literally never been forced into a romance. ever. I just don't quite comprehend how you can even for a second think that you are being forced. If the only dialogue options you choose with a possible romance character are the super nice/friendly ones then no **** is it gonna trigger flags. I have never had a problem, in the entirety of my experience with Bioware games, with being forced into an optional romance. ever.

[AlanC9]

That just means you haven't hit the bugged dialogue options. Liara's was a bugged Renegade option that left the romance flag set. I forget how Leliana's worked -- it's been years since I fixed that one.

[Mirrman70]

That just means you haven't hit the bugged dialogue options. Liara's was a bugged Renegade option that left the romance flag set. I forget how Leliana's worked -- it's been years since I fixed that one.

 

If you know which ones are bugged then they are easy to avoid.

[Shechinah]

Because in ME1 you have to fight Liara off with a stick if you're not interested in her.  Which gets annoying.

 

Oh, I remember the joy of the dialogue option that somehow has Liara believe you initiated a romance with her when it was about how you wanted to be friends then again, maybe asai has a different understanding of friendships or someone gave her the friends-with-benefit talks.

 

I have no problem with companions flirting with my characters as long as the companion in question respects personal space and has understanding of the word no. 
 

[katerinafm]

While I do like it when certain characters flirt first, I prefer initiating the romance first rather than characters ninjamancing me if I'm just nice to them. Liara and Leliana come to mind. I have to turn down Liara pretty harshly so she won't romance my character by default, and dialogue choices that just appear polite for Leliana apparently trigger her romance. So I'd rather have dialogue choices clearly labeled as 'the romance option' since the devs have a hard time differentiating being nice and actually flirting . But if there was a polite way to turn down the romances and I didn't have to walk on eggshells to not trigger the romances I wouldn't mind some more flirting being done by an NPC first.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

Imagine my surprise my first ME2 playthrough when Jack walked into my cabin...

Same with my fem Hawke and Merrill. I thought my mage was romancing Fenris but Merrill showed up at the mansion because I rivaled her.

[AlanC9]

If you know which ones are bugged then they are easy to avoid.

 

Or mod them out. Sure. So, if you want to wait for months, and read a walkthrough before you play, you can avoid them. Or just hope you're lucky, as you seem to have been.

[Fishy]

It's a RPG. Romance will always feel a bit mechanical

 

LIara: Oh Sheppy.. You  make my head head spiin. I"m so hooot

 

Shepard possible answer

 

Funny Shepard : Hmm I have some painkiller in my pocket ( Romance)

Rude Shepard : Who care ( She hate you)

Flirty Shepard : You make my head spin too (Romance)

Spontaneous Shepard : I love you too (romance)

 

 

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuccck.

[Seboist]

Femprotags in Bioware games need an assertive manfu, who after making his intent known and seducing them, throws them up against the wall when it comes time to handle business and says. "we can do this the easy way or the hard way, the choice is yours".

 

Or in other words, they need the video game incarnation of me.

[JamieCOTC]

BioWare loves to overcorrect. After everyone went nuclear over Liara "ninjamancing" Shepard in ME1 it seems all BW PCs must now initiate the romance.

[Gothfather]

As with most things "we can't have nice things," because when we got them we as a community QQ about it. The whole anders thing is the perfect example and this BS that there was no nice way to do it and that why people are upset is simply BS. When someone puts themself our there and they are rejected it hurts and you feel bad and that sounds EXACTLY like what the rivalry points do. Wah wah wah I don't want consequence for my actions. Get over it. He flirts you say not interested and you can say it in a nice way you just can't say it so that he isn't hurt as rejection can't be made painless. Then he NEVER bothers you again re: romance and the points you lost are insignificant to things overall.

 

When players have a hissy fit over these kinds of things it negatively impacts development. It is one of the reasons why I think Bethesda's form of development is better. Make the game, announce it when it is feature locked and six months later release it. keep gamers out of the process as we have shown time and time again that we don't know wtf we are talking about with game design, because we are not designers and have no practical skill or education in game design. Playing a game does not make you a good designer.

[Seboist]

Biggest issue with DA2 anders is that he's a "WHAT ABOUT THE MAGES?!" moping emo pansy.

[Hazegurl]

BioWare loves to overcorrect. After everyone went nuclear over Liara "ninjamancing" Shepard in ME1 it seems all BW PCs must now initiate the romance.

I think the major melt down was over Anders.  With Liara, her problem was a bug. But then again I wouldn't put it past the ME team to stop companion initiated flirting just to keep a bug from appearing.

[Former_Fiend]

I don't have a problem with the NPC's flirting with the PC first. I think t's a good demonstration of agency on the part of those characters, that they have wants and desires of their own.