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[Ahglock]

At the end of the day, everyone is different. I don't think everyone would have a uniform reaction to my rejection any more than I expect universe responses from my decision-making. Likewise I don't expect everyone to hate me for the rest of the game, even with a slight disposition hit. A few people have brought up the Anders example and I think that works pretty well in this context. ​

I don't even remember who Anders is but DA2 was not my favorite game. I remember plenty of +1-2 point shifts which I can get for certain people. People say it's 10 which comes off super creepy extreme to me. That might fit the character but I'm not sure that is a good choice on biowares side.

[Panda]

This racist respect other spices culture. Stroking face is like hand shake for asari.

 

It goes both way though.

[ModernAcademic]

I had no problem in ME1 with Liara making advances. Maybe I picked dialogue that avoided any advances. What bothered me is in ME2 on Illium, my Shepard gets a what-the-crap hug from the asari even after I told her I would throw her back in the volcano in ME1

 

That scene REALLY bothered me and it's by far one of the reasons why I HATE the way Liara's character was portrayed.

 

I usually play Jane Shepard and like to act very formal with my companions. I always make it quite clear where my relationships stand. With Liara, I never had anything intimate, much less became best buddies with her. But all the while, there's this subtle romantic theme playing in the background between her and my Shepard. It's DISTURBING.

 

And then, out of nowhere, it's like she's my wife or something, grabbing me in her office and saying that since ME1 things have been difficult and she's had to find work to live (?). Like, how's that MY fault? We're not married. Heck, I don't even know you that well, you crazy asari. 

 

Later, in ME3, she does it again, implying she hopes I'm special to her. WHAT. THE HELL. I've been having an open affair with Kaidan ever since ME1 and that asari is STILL nurturing delusional fantasies about me? REALLY, BIOWARE? REALLY?

[AWTEW]

Imagine that you could ****** somebody off enough to have them go on a "if I can't have you, nobody will" trope.

 

That's....        

 

 

That's not good writing.

 

I wouldn't mind if they did actually. The Bsn afterwards would be hilarious..

[ZombiePopper]

If they do this it'll make the straight boys cry (see: Anders).

I disagree.
I think many have a neg view of straight guys on this topic and it's insulting IMO.
Take Cortez in ME3,
Being a straight guy myself, my male Shep's were straight.
But Cortez and my Shep were good friends in ME3's story.
Same goes with Dorian.
My Inqys were straight males but still good friends with Dorian.
Anytime a gay male flirts with my straight male protag's they politely turn them down but it doesn't preclude them from being good friends.
In fact,
I liked Cortez and Dorian's characters and the fact the were gay didn't mean a damn thing to me.
Might as well say "you don't like wearing wet clothes therefore You hate rain."
I support characters flirting with my protag actually.
In fact,
It's something about Tali that I really liked!
Having other companions commenting on Tali's interest was really realistic.

[Dean_the_Young]

That scene REALLY bothered me and it's by far one of the reasons why I HATE the way Liara's character was portrayed.

 

I usually play Jane Shepard and like to act very formal with my companions. I always make it quite clear where my relationships stand. With Liara, I never had anything intimate, much less became best buddies with her. But all the while, there's this subtle romantic theme playing in the background between her and my Shepard. It's DISTURBING.

 

And then, out of nowhere, it's like she's my wife or something, grabbing me in her office and saying that since ME1 things have been difficult and she's had to find work to live (?). Like, how's that MY fault? We're not married. Heck, I don't even know you that well, you crazy asari. 

 

Later, in ME3, she does it again, implying she hopes I'm special to her. WHAT. THE HELL. I've been having an open affair with Kaidan ever since ME1 and that asari is STILL nurturing delusional fantasies about me? REALLY, BIOWARE? REALLY?

 

Oh, come now.

 

Everyone knows the best part is Liara's 'let's have last minute unprotected mind-sex' before the final assault. How much you want to bet she'd become preggars?

 

(Though I do think it'd be a good basis to have an Asari character who claims to be Liara and Shepard's daughter.)

[Boost32]

Oh, come now.
 
Everyone knows the best part is Liara's 'let's have last minute unprotected mind-sex' before the final assault. How much you want to bet she'd become preggars?
 
(Though I do think it'd be a good basis to have an Asari character who claims to be Liara and Shepard's daughter.)

She didn't have mind-sex in that part.

[themikefest]

Oh, come now.
 
Everyone knows the best part is Liara's 'let's have last minute unprotected mind-sex' before the final assault. How much you want to bet she'd become preggars?

Good thing I ignore her not to have that whatever with the asari at the forward operating base
 

(Though I do think it'd be a good basis to have an Asari character who claims to be Liara and Shepard's daughter.)

The asari can claim to be whatever, but I would tell her that I heard that the liara asari was killed by Harbinger in London

[Iakus]

Oh, come now.

 

Everyone knows the best part is Liara's 'let's have last minute unprotected mind-sex' before the final assault. How much you want to bet she'd become preggars?

 

(Though I do think it'd be a good basis to have an Asari character who claims to be Liara and Shepard's daughter.)

I actually like Liara, but that would still make me put a fist through the screen.

[The Night Haunter]

For you, that was the problem.

 

I'm pretty certain that a non-insignificant amount of people were angry just because a dude dared to hit on their dude. Liara was also disliked by some because of how she threw herself in the PC's arms, and the blow was softened by her being the requisite alien space babe.

 

I'm not sure people are ever going to take well that NPCs have the initiative regarding romances. At best they woud be Isabelas who makes tons of flirtatious comments but still wait for the player to give their go before things get serious.

People say that all the time as though they have access to some statistics and polls that were never actually done.

 

Zevran flirts with the PC regardless of gender, no-one was up in arms over that. Izzy ditto, still nothing. In DAI all the LIs are basically wall flowers who do nothing until you explicitly say something right in their face, twice.

 

I'd be willing to bet only a small minority had a problem with the M/M auto-flirt, instead most had the problem that (surprise) most people have pointed out: You have no middle-ground 'thanks, but no thanks.' Its either nice and start a romance, or mean and he gets all grumps.

 

Given the (apparent) setting of MEA populating a whole new sector and building human/Milky Way society here in Andromeda I'd love for at least some of the procreative gender appropriate (straight) romances to initiate flirting. I wouldn't mind if others did it, and as long as some potential romances initiated I'd be happy regardless of who they are.

 

 

The one thing we've never seen in a Bioware romance is one that doesn't work (Solas gets close, isn;t quite there). Have an NPC start the romance, have it progress, have unavoidable conflicts between LI and AndromaShep and have them break up. It seems like every relationship in Bioware games ends happily (JE every romance was happy fun times. ME is a bit more difficult to summarize with the whole 3 games thing, but apart from Thane and Jacob it is possible to be happy in all romances, and Jacob sucked anyway I could barely stand him long before ME3. DAO all have the happy route, including Morrigan since you can elope through the Eluvian, DA2 all can end well, DAI all can end well, even Solas still loves Lavellan, he haunts her dreams). I'd love to see a relationship that never has a chance of succeeding without anyone becoming enemies. Or an LI who is really just interested in a one-night-stand and doesn't reciprocate beyond that. Give us new stuff.

[SinisterSquash]

She didn't have mind-sex in that part.

According to Liara in ME1, physical contact isn't always needed for an asari to mate and become pregnant. A connection of minds is what is needed, which the "gift" scene seems to imply.

[Ryzaki]

? Plenty of people had issues with Zevran.

 

You weren't here for the Beware Zevran's message hilarity I take it.

 

And honestly I rather be the one initiating the romance because 9 times out of 10 if the companion flirts the PC gets stuck doing a stupid smirk or smile thing that's completely out of character or the options are either far too aggressive or not aggressive enough. I rather avoid all that drama to begin with.

[Lady Artifice]

I usually like flirtatious characters, and when some LIs seem interested of their own accord, it avoids any sense that I'm coercing them. 

[Seboist]

Unlike DA2 Anders, Zevran was actually likable.

[9TailsFox]

She didn't have mind-sex in that part.

Yes she did, she totally mindbanged Shepard and you didn't even know it.

[Boost32]

According to Liara in ME1, physical contact isn't always needed for an asari to mate and become pregnant. A connection of minds is what is needed, which the "gift" scene seems to imply.

No it didn't imply anything about mind sex, I don't really know why people think it is.

Yes she did, she totally mindbanged Shepard and you didn't even know it.

... Well, if you say so.

[Gileadan]

Unlike DA2 Anders, Zevran was actually likable.

This.

Also unlike DA2 Anders, Zevran wasn't the creepiest creep who ever creeped. When Anders was hitting on dude Hawke, he was basically saying "Hai. I just murder-knifed my ex-lover like two and a half minutes ago. Now I totally have the hots for you!"

Who in their right mind doesn't back away at that point?

[Boost32]

Anders never hit on my Hawke, it seems I was lucky to go with rivalry with him.

[Gileadan]

I would have much preferred to end any connection with him after receiving the maps. Transaction completed, thank you, bye. Nope, don't need another mage in my group, I consider myself competent enough.

Ahem, on topic. I generally feel flattered when companions of any gender or orientation hit on my character. Anders is the single exception so far..."whiny creep" is a type of person I prefer to avoid.

[Absafraginlootly]

That scene REALLY bothered me and it's by far one of the reasons why I HATE the way Liara's character was portrayed.

 

I usually play Jane Shepard and like to act very formal with my companions. I always make it quite clear where my relationships stand. With Liara, I never had anything intimate, much less became best buddies with her. But all the while, there's this subtle romantic theme playing in the background between her and my Shepard. It's DISTURBING.

 

And then, out of nowhere, it's like she's my wife or something, grabbing me in her office and saying that since ME1 things have been difficult and she's had to find work to live (?). Like, how's that MY fault? We're not married. Heck, I don't even know you that well, you crazy asari. 

 

Later, in ME3, she does it again, implying she hopes I'm special to her. WHAT. THE HELL. I've been having an open affair with Kaidan ever since ME1 and that asari is STILL nurturing delusional fantasies about me? REALLY, BIOWARE? REALLY?

 

Yeah I'm cool with companions flirting first.

 

But unromanced Ander's whole jealous how can you possibly be dating them?! not matter who your dating in Act III, and unromanced Liara's whole thing before the final fight in Me3 both came off as creepy to me, particularly since they were both years after being rejected.

 

 

Oh, I remember the joy of the dialogue option that somehow has Liara believe you initiated a romance with her when it was about how you wanted to be friends then again, maybe asai has a different understanding of friendships or someone gave her the friends-with-benefit talks.

 

I have no problem with companions flirting with my characters as long as the companion in question respects personal space and has understanding of the word no. 
 

 

This.

[Gago]

This is an interesting idea but only if executed correctly. For example, I don't care what your sexual orientation is, stop bothering me ffs, no means no. 

[SnakeCode]

This is an interesting idea but only if executed correctly. For example, I don't care what your sexual orientation is, stop bothering me ffs, no means no. 

 

That would actually be decent to have in the game in general, not just in flirting situations.

 

"I don't care if you like boys OR girls, I just need to know if you've got my back in this incredibly dangerous mission we're about to undertake, we're in a life or death situation here, I don't care to listen to your life story right now."

[Barquiel]

Oh, I remember the joy of the dialogue option that somehow has Liara believe you initiated a romance with her when it was about how you wanted to be friends then again, maybe asai has a different understanding of friendships or someone gave her the friends-with-benefit talks.

 

I have no problem with companions flirting with my characters as long as the companion in question respects personal space and has understanding of the word no. 
 

 

The only problem with Liara is that one of her dialogue paths is buggy for some people, but other than that Liara's romance is the easiest to avoid in ME1. After she expresses her interest in Shepard (I think it's the third conversation with her) you have three options for a response to her:

1) Yes, I'm interested too. (this is the top option)
2) No, I just want to be friends. (this is the middle option)
3) Oh, hell no! GTFO! (this is the bottom option)

Only one continues the relationship. I think the one that does is quite obvious. She also never brings up the topic romance again if you end the romance here, and that's how it should be done. The answers are clear and you don't have to be rude to end the romance.

[Wulfram]

Yeah, the problem as I understand it is that oh the "Oh, hell no!" doesn't actually work properly

[Natureguy85]

 

The one thing we've never seen in a Bioware romance is one that doesn't work (Solas gets close, isn;t quite there). Have an NPC start the romance, have it progress, have unavoidable conflicts between LI and AndromaShep and have them break up. It seems like every relationship in Bioware games ends happily (JE every romance was happy fun times. ME is a bit more difficult to summarize with the whole 3 games thing, but apart from Thane and Jacob it is possible to be happy in all romances, and Jacob sucked anyway I could barely stand him long before ME3. DAO all have the happy route, including Morrigan since you can elope through the Eluvian, DA2 all can end well, DAI all can end well, even Solas still loves Lavellan, he haunts her dreams). I'd love to see a relationship that never has a chance of succeeding without anyone becoming enemies. Or an LI who is really just interested in a one-night-stand and doesn't reciprocate beyond that. Give us new stuff.

People say that all the time as though they have access to some statistics and polls that were never actually done.

 

What about Samara in ME2? It does have to be Shepard initiated I think, but IIRC, she will show interest but ultimately say "no".

 

 

 

That [hug] scene REALLY bothered me and it's by far one of the reasons why I HATE the way Liara's character was portrayed.

 

I usually play Jane Shepard and like to act very formal with my companions. I always make it quite clear where my relationships stand. With Liara, I never had anything intimate, much less became best buddies with her. But all the while, there's this subtle romantic theme playing in the background between her and my Shepard. It's DISTURBING.

 

And then, out of nowhere, it's like she's my wife or something, grabbing me in her office and saying that since ME1 things have been difficult and she's had to find work to live (?). Like, how's that MY fault? We're not married. Heck, I don't even know you that well, you crazy asari. 

 

Later, in ME3, she does it again, implying she hopes I'm special to her. WHAT. THE HELL. I've been having an open affair with Kaidan ever since ME1 and that asari is STILL nurturing delusional fantasies about me? REALLY, BIOWARE? REALLY?

 

Well if you accept obsession is part of Liara's character, which is made clear from everything about her and the Shadow Broker, this makes sense. While it is annoying as a player, all of that makes sense for Liara's character and I'm ok with them sticking to it. While Bioware did show favoritism toward Liara, also remember that she is the only character guaranteed to still be there at the Hammer FOB near the end of ME3.