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[Queen Skadi]

I mean there has to be a few we can cross off the list right? I mean surely Batarians wont get a spot aboard the Ark and unless there are Vorcha stowaways (unlikely) I think we should be able to cross them off the list? The fate of the Geth and Quarians are up in the air without a save import and can be both dead or alive so it is doubtful we will see them in Andromeda (unless the Talimancers and Quarian fans somehow influence Bioware's design decisions and their fan popularity somehow lands them a spot on the ark for unknown reasons). Anyone else?

[KingofTime]

Asari need to go, lame as hell.

[FKA_Servo]

You two are cute together. You should hook up.

[Il Divo]

^

[Lunatic Lace]

Lemurs.

[PresidentVorchaMasterBaits]

I mean surely Batarians wont get a spot aboard the Ark and unless there are Vorcha stowaways (unlikely) 

THERE WILL BE ONE VORCHA FOR SURE!! GUESS WHAT HIS NAME IS?!!?? ME!!!! SEE YOU ON THE ARK!!!

[Iakus]

Species which it would make sense not to show up in MEA:

 

quarians (could be wiped out at Rannoch)

geth (could be wiped out TWICE. At Rannoch and if Destroy is chosen)

drell (could be wiped out if Kahje falls)

krogan (could be virtually wiped out if the Tuchanka bomb goes off in addition to possibly keeping the genophage around)

 

 

Of course, we know krogan will be around, And with Low EMS Destroy or Refuse one could imagine virtually all species going extinct.  So really, who knows?

[Il Divo]

^See, I always thought that if they were going the "Noah's ark" route and assuming this takes place prior to ME3's ending, there would be representatives from most/all of the races. Geth are the main ones which struck me as odd, just given we have no idea where they are until Rannoch, but Quarians at least we know have deserters from the Flotilla.

[Iakus]

^See, I always thought that if they were going the "Noah's ark" route and assuming this takes place prior to ME3's ending, there would be representatives from most/all of the races. Geth are the main ones which struck me as odd, just given we have no idea where they are until Rannoch, but Quarians at least we know have deserters from the Flotilla.

Yeah, but enough to sustain a population?  The Fleet called back everyone on pilgrimage, so by far the vast majority of the quarians are back.

[Il Divo]

True, probably not. Although if we do go the "frozen in stasis" route, we can at least say some might be around for our Andromeda adventures. Hopefully.

[Belial]

Depends on who's behind this "Ark Project" I guess. If it's the council then I doubt they would want to save races that are seen as a threat like the Rachni or the Geth.

[Iakus]

Depends on who's behind this "Ark Project" I guess. If it's the council then I doubt they would want to save races that are seen as a threat like the Rachni or the Geth.

Or the krogan, the quarians, or batarians

[Il Divo]

Krogan and Quarians I could see getting a pass depending on what the Council's thinking is. There have been points in the past where they made use of the Krogan as shock troops, especially because of their ability to survive in hostile environments. In limited numbers, I could see them wanting Krogan for their combat abilities or Quarians for their tech skills.

[Iakus]

Krogan and Quarians I could see getting a pass depending on what the Council's thinking is. There have been points in the past where they made use of the Krogan as shock troops, especially because of their ability to survive in hostile environments. In limited numbers, I could see them wanting Krogan for their combat abilities or Quarians for their tech skills.

The Council sees krogan as unthinking, untrustworthy brutes.  The orcs of the universe, if you will.  I think they'd rather ditch the krogan and double-load turians.

 

Quarians are "suit rats", galactic pariahs with a (granted unwarranted) reputation for thievery.  Again, I think they'd ditch quarians and bring in more salarians.

 

Bears, dogs, and whatnot 

[Fredward]

The hanar better make it. I want a hanar companion in a giant robot water suit thing.

[Il Divo]

The Council sees krogan as unthinking, untrustworthy brutes.  The orcs of the universe, if you will.  I think they'd rather ditch the krogan and double-load turians.

 

Quarians are "suit rats", galactic pariahs with a (granted unwarranted) reputation for thievery.  Again, I think they'd ditch quarians and bring in more salarians.

 

Bears, dogs, and whatnot 

 

Point taken regarding the Quarians. Still, in consideration of the Krogans, it still seems like they occupy a unique niche in terms of utility. Going back to the Rachni Wars, a huge part of the Krogan's appeal was their ability to completely survive in hostile environments (why breather suits/helmets couldn't work, I have no idea). With us going off to parts unknown with an emphasis on exploration, the sort of thing might be helpful. They definitely have an unsavory reputation overall, but I don't they're quite orc-level, which I always viewed as being a "kill on sight" sort of deal.

[Iakus]

Point taken regarding the Quarians. Still, in consideration of the Krogans, it still seems like they occupy a unique niche in terms of utility. Going back to the Rachni Wars, a huge part of the Krogan's appeal was their ability to completely survive in hostile environments (why breather suits/helmets couldn't work, I have no idea). With us going off to parts unknown with an emphasis on exploration, the sort of thing might be helpful. They definitely have an unsavory reputation overall, but I don't they're quite orc-level, which I always viewed as being a "kill on sight" sort of deal.

They very nearly did kill them all in the Krogan Rebellions.  And to this day they are demilitarized.  Heck even with the Reapers invading the asari were unwilling to deal with them and the salarians thought it more important to screw the krogan than fight the Reapers.

 

The Council don't seem to see the krogan as "could be handy".  They barely see them as 'weapon of last resort"

[Il Divo]

They very nearly did kill them all in the Krogan Rebellions.  And to this day they are demilitarized.  Heck even with the Reapers invading the asari were unwilling to deal with them and the salarians thought it more important to screw the krogan than fight the Reapers.

 

The Council don't seem to see the krogan as "could be handy".  They barely see them as 'weapon of last resort"

 

In the context of war though. I'm just saying if they're "orc-level" that implies a kill on sight status that is itself inconsistent with the Council's other somewhat half-hearted efforts to keep the Krogan happy (Ex: keeping the Krogan statue on the Presidium intact to show their valuable contribution during the Rachni Wars, despite many wanting its removal).

 

Keep in mind too that regardless of having almost killed them all, there seem to be enough Krogan left that the Turians (who themselves carried out the genophage) thought they could provide some help in liberating Palaven. Who knows, the humans themselves could side with the Turians in demanding that the Krogan have some small role on the Ark.
 

[Il Divo]

Also as a final point: Keep in mind that the Salarians were not against employing Krogan against the Reapers; they were against the removal of the genophage. It's still pretty stupid that they were willing to risk Reaper genocide to keep it intact, but in that context they didn't have a blanket "Never use Krogan as weapons" order in effect. They are willing to cooperate, provided Shepard doesn't cure the genophage for them.

[Former_Fiend]

I don't see us bringing the yahg along. I also see the leviathan's being passed on due to sheer spacial concerns if nothing else. 

[pkypereira]

I don't think Elcor will make it

[Queen Skadi]

Eh I think the Krogan pose a greater liability than they do a benefit and I doubt the council would have seen the Krogan as important enough to save, if their only purpose in such an expedition is as shock troops there are other species that can fill the role without posing the same risks.

 

Still for one reason or another it seems there will be Krogan in Andromeda, guess we just gotta wait and see what the explanation is.

[Iakus]

Also as a final point: Keep in mind that the Salarians were not against employing Krogan against the Reapers; they were against the removal of the genophage. It's still pretty stupid that they were willing to risk Reaper genocide to keep it intact, but in that context they didn't have a blanket "Never use Krogan as weapons" order in effect. They are willing to cooperate, provided Shepard doesn't cure the genophage for them.

That's why I said they barely consider the krogan as a "weapon of last resort"  They'll use them, if their backs are to the wall and there is no other option.  But they won't cry over breaking that weapon in the process.

 

Also keep in mind that krogan are not allowed on the Presidium anyway (that Wrex gets to visit it in ME1 is considered shocking)  They're (somewhat) willing to acknowledge past contributions, but they are unwilling to extend trust in the present.

[Il Divo]

^But what species could fill that role? Just going back to the Rachni Wars, what made the Krogans viable was their ability to survive in harsh environments. Obviously we can't colonize that sort of set up, but that could still prove useful in certain contexts, while we're looking for resources, etc. Far as I know, the only races which could feasibly replace the Krogan are all "rejects" in the Council's eyes: Rachni, Vorcha, Yahg, etc.

[Il Divo]

That's why I said they barely consider the krogan as a "weapon of last resort"  They'll use them, if their backs are to the wall and there is no other option.  But they won't cry over breaking that weapon in the process.

 

Also keep in mind that krogan are not allowed on the Presidium anyway (that Wrex gets to visit it in ME1 is considered shocking)  They're (somewhat) willing to acknowledge past contributions, but they are unwilling to extend trust in the present.

 

But in the context of Andromeda, this entire plan with the Ark is essentially a "back against the wall" sort of deal. I'm not suggesting any of the Council races have any love for the Krogan, to any extent. But as you said, they'll use them if they have to. Bioware could easily make that a feasible possibility.