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[Princess Lily]

Ok, so, I read somewhere that the creators of the game say that Solas' age is around early to mid 40s.  But that could just be his apparance and not his actual age.

 

However, since he is the Dread Wolf, and therefore an original, all powerful elf from the past, is he immortal?  Or just, like, really old? 

 

It mentions that he was sleeping for a long time and when he awoke he was "too weak" to use the orb.  How long was he sleeping?

 

OR is he like Flemeth, in the sense that he is a younger body/person that has Dread Wolf as a part of himself?

 

Answers please!

[IanPolaris]

Ok, so, I read somewhere that the creators of the game say that Solas' age is around early to mid 40s.  But that could just be his apparance and not his actual age.

 

However, since he is the Dread Wolf, and therefore an original, all powerful elf from the past, is he immortal?  Or just, like, really old? 

 

It mentions that he was sleeping for a long time and when he awoke he was "too weak" to use the orb.  How long was he sleeping?

 

OR is he like Flemeth, in the sense that he is a younger body/person that has Dread Wolf as a part of himself?

 

Answers please!

 

I think he is like Flemeth/Mythal.  In fact at the end of Trespasser he says as much when he says that Solas was first and Fen'Harel came much later.  So I'd say that his body is probably 30-40 or so, but that is only the latest model.....

[leaguer of one]

So old that an age would have no point.

[Mlady]

He said he slept for a millenia before he awoke in 9:40, and that was when he was a younger Fen'Harel, so I would say too old.

[LightningPoodle]

He doesn't age whilst he sleeps, so being in his 40s could very well be likely.

[Dancing_Dolphin]

I think he is like Flemeth/Mythal. In fact at the end of Trespasser he says as much when he says that Solas was first and Fen'Harel came much later. So I'd say that his body is probably 30-40 or so, but that is only the latest model.....

You can actually ask him precisely that question of whether he is like Flemeth/Mythal and he says no, and that he has always just been as he is. There is a video on YouTube that shows his response to all the questions asked. I'm too busy right now to find it...ah, who am I kidding, I'm just lazy.

[Mlady]

You can actually ask him precisely that question of whether he is like Flemeth/Mythal and he says no, and that he has always just been as he is. There is a video on YouTube that shows his response to all the questions asked. I'm too busy right now to find it.

 

He says he's not like her as in he's not a spirit in pieces trying to live through another. Solas never died like Mythal did. He just slept.

[Dancing_Dolphin]

He says he's not like her as in he's not a dead spirit in pieces trying to live through another. Solas never died like Mythal did. He just slept.

I was addressing the point Ian brought up, that he thinks DW is possessing his current body. I'm aware Solas was in Uthenera.

[Princess Lily]

You can actually ask him precisely that question of whether he is like Flemeth/Mythal and he says no, and that he has always just been as he is. There is a video on YouTube that shows his response to all the questions asked. I'm too busy right now to find it.

 

 

Ok awesome, this is pretty much the answer I was looking for, I vaguely remember him saying this.

 

So, in otherwords, he's ancient

[Serza]

Technically a couple millenia.

 

Depending on how Uthenera works, he might be forty.

[Knight of Dane]

Twentywan

[LightningPoodle]

Technically a couple millenia.

 

Depending on how Uthenera works, he might be forty.

 

I doubt elves age when they go into that sleep. Otherwise, what point would there be in sleeping? None. None whatsoever.

[Mlady]

I was addressing the point Ian brought up, that he thinks DW is possessing his current body. I'm aware Solas was in Uthenera.

 

I know. I was just saying what Solas said as confirmation in regards to your post.

[Nixou]

The first contact between the Elves and Dwarves happened 3.000 years after the founding of Arlathan.

Inquisition begins 8.440 years after the founding of Arlathan

Since hints point toward the war that allowed victorious Elvhen generals to become elder statesmen to have been between Elves and Titans and since Solas seems to remember this war from personal experience, I'd say he was likely born before the first contact and therefore at the very least 5.450 years old.

[Serza]

That's a lot of precise numbers you just pulled out of your arse. Got any sources?

[Nixou]

That's a lot of precise numbers you just pulled out of your arse. Got any sources?

 

I trust my Wiki-Fu

[Serza]

...more than they usually bring. I salute you, for actually having a good source.

 

Except, nothing says that the war during which they became the Gods was related to the Titans.

[Dancing_Dolphin]

I know. I was just saying what Solas said as confirmation in regards to your post.

I see. Forgive me, I'm tired and old.

[Mlady]

I see. Forgive me, I'm tired and old.

 

Lol no forgive me. I am old, I was tired and had no coffee when I posted that.

[Evamitchelle]

The elves are said to first notice the loss of their immortality in -2850 Ancient, a direct result of Solas creating the Veil. He said he woke up a year before joining the Inquisitor, meaning in 9:40 Dragon. If he went to sleep immediately after creating the Veil it means he's been asleep for the past 3690 years. As for his age, hard to say. Older than 3690 for sure, but how much older is unclear. 

[Alyka]

I used this timeline for reference.

 

(Trespasser spoilers ahead)

 

Let's assume Solas was alive at the time that Arlathan was founded. (My calculations may be off)

 

• 1 FA, Arlathan founded
• 4750 FA, Elves lose immortality (Solas puts up the Veil sometime around here). At this point, 4749 years have passed.
• Don't know when Solas went into Uthenera but he says in Trespasser that he was asleep for millennia.
• In 7600 FA the Chantry was founded and "Ages" begin starting with 1:1 Divine Age. Each "Age" is 100 years. Solas is now 7,599 years old.
• 8 "Ages" pass. 8x100 = 800 years. Solas is now 8,399 years old.
• 9:40 DA, Solas wakes up. At this point he would be 8,438 years old.
• 9:41 DA, Solas joins Cassandra and company.
• 9:44 DA, Trespasser DLC takes place
  Solas is 8,441 years old (give or take).
  
   

[Almostfaceman]

Solas could truly be ancient. Before the Veil, elves did not age. 

 

Uthenera, by the way, was not a method for staying young. It was when elves became tired of life, they would enter this sleep and die. Some would not die, but re-awaken. And a few used Uthenera to explore the Fade, then bring knowledge back to their brethren. 

 

http://dragonage.wik...m/wiki/Uthenera

 

Solas speaks of being the first of his kind. He speaks of cities that float in the clouds and spells that take hundreds of years to cast. He has seen the rise and fall of an ancient civilization. 

[Big I]

 

Don't know when Solas went into Uthenera but he says in Trespasser that he was asleep for millennia.

 

Cole has a Trespasser banter where he says something like "the wolf had to gnaw it's own leg off to escape the trap and stop the old dreams from waking". I assume Solas is the wolf, the old dreams are the Evanuris and the trap was whatever Solas did to them. This plays into my assumption that Solas was asleep since he raised the Veil.

 

My theory about the Evanuris/elves in general is that they were spirits that pulled a Cole and took physical form. Based on that, I wonder if Solas was orignially a Pride demon that become Wisdom (if spirits can become demons, why not the reverse?). It would explain his name.

[Gervaise]

There is that ancient elven text that you can only read if you drink from the well, that says "His crime is High Treason.   He took the form reserved for the gods and their chosen, and dared to fly in the shape of the Divine."    I wonder if this refers to a young Solas and that is how he got his name.    He was passed to Elgar'nan for judgement, so may be giving him the name Pride was to indicate his crime in trying to be a god.    If that was the case, then presumably he succeeded in taking the form of a dragon and part of his punishment was having this ability taken from him.    After translating the words the whispers give an image of "a shifting, shadowy mass with blazing eyes, whose form may be one or many", which certainly makes me think of the later form of the Dread Wolf.   The later warning by the evanuris about Fen'Harel tells the People to "Beware the forms of Fen'Harel"     So either Solas was a shapeshifter or he simply had the spirit's ability to take on different forms.   The text about his (if it was him) crime states that he belonged to Dirthamen (god of secrets so it makes sense that a servant of his might be seen as a trickster), took wings at the urging of Ghilan'nain and that be begged protection from Mythal."   Yet she did not show him favour on this occasion and passed him to Elgar'nan.    The only thing it doesn't state is what his punishment was but I wouldn't be surprised if it was some form of service; may be he was made a slave and among those who worked on that huge statue of Elgar'nan that is mentioned in the ancient library.   From what I recall he says that the writings we find there were his memories.

 

Anyway, so far as age is concerned, prior to raising the Veil such a concept didn't really exist since elves didn't age and so I doubt anyone really noted the passing of an individual's years.    Presumably there was no such thing as an old looking elf or may be even a young one.     If they came about through spirits becoming more material then their appearance wouldn't change much.     Once the Veil was put into place then I assume that Solas would age like all the rest when not in uthenera but when communing with the Fade in sleep he would be protected from aging.       So time wise he is many thousands of years old but physically only the number of years he has been awake in the material world since the raising of the Veil.

[Hydwn]

As others have pointed out, he could not be younger than about 3800 years, and is likely much, much older.

 

The real question for answering this question isn't "How much time since since the veil was put up," because we know roughly when the veil (3874 years ago) was put up and we can calculate from there.  The real question "When - and was - Solas born in an age when elves were immortal?"  Because that could be any time.

 

One curious comment of his about the evanuris - and he was one of them - was "The first of my people do not die so easily."  "First" could mean most powerful, but it could also mean "firstborn."  It's entirely possible Solas was one of the first elves in existence.  And if elves started as spirits (the most popular theory) then his beginning is with the beginning of those.  

 

All this is assuming the existence of time as we know it in a pre-Veil world.  Every time that time and the Veil comes up, things get muddy - such as in "In Hushed Whispers" when twists in the veil can alter time, or "Champions of the Just" when hours of Veil time passes in instants in the real world. 

 

It's quite possible that before the Veil, there's simply no way to express how old he is.