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[TMB903]

My personal list goes like this :

Reapers>>Geth>>>>>>>Cerberus*

I don't enjoy fighting Cerberus because every unit of theirs can kill you at damn near any range. They can be a nightmare on open maps as well. Cerberus isn't difficult...they are just too annoying for my enjoyment. Oh and lolphantoms. It's a shame their ridiculous on host DR wasn't patched.


* I'm on PS3 so Collectors don't exist as far as I'm concerned. Not risking my PS3 fo none o' dat.

[q5tyhj]

^ Use map presets for Collectors and rest your PS3 often. Otherwise, no need to blame the Collectors. Blame BioWare and PS3. 

 

Also, back when playing on PS3, I still very much enjoyed playing Collectors. To the point of presetting to them quite often.

I'm aware of how to minimize mem leak issues; but even playing Collectors on preset maps requires frequent restarts, and you may still get hit with a freeze all the same. And the fact that you have to jump through all these hoops is precisely the problem- nor does it matter who's to blame; the problem exists regardless. They're still fun to play, but the constant rebooting required to play them all the time is prohibitive. And since Geth are the easiest and yet most appallingly annoying faction to play on any platform, your dilemma between playing ps3-Collectors and Geth vs Cerb and Reapers isn't even remotely difficult- give me the non rage-inducing, ps3-destroying option, thanks. 

[Terminator Force]

 

* I'm on PS3 so Collectors don't exist as far as I'm concerned. Not risking my PS3 fo none o' dat.

 

 

^ I have a spare beater PS3. So I fear no Collectors on that model. Which I like to call the "Fears no pain, pity or remorse PS3."

[Loufi]

^ Them blocking powers comes from pugs not knowing what they're doing. And even if you do see these pugs in game and you want to use powers on Praetorians. Just get closer and get them to land already (what I always do... though sometimes I get lag eaten >_>). VS this Phantom Barrier which is harder to control unless your power cooldown is really fast (if it is, your second travelling power toss should register).

 

And no way Collectors limit gameplay options more then Cerberus (say hello Ceberus herb smoke owning locking on powers and melee; and how this faction owns close quarters play more then any other faction; and how biotic kits have a weakness against shields).

 

Plus if you're playing biotic power focus, you should be owning Collectors regardless. Because biotics own Barriers. And Collectors are the main Barrier faction. So really, no kit or play style has a weakness against Collectors. aka. The perfect faction.

I don't see how Cerberus limits the gameplay. This is the only faction featuring all types of defenses (barriers, shields, armor and health), with both melee range units and long range units, organics and synthetics (hence hackable enemies), and all Cerberus units can be meleed or charged without a 100% chance of being sync-killed. You can choose to trivialize them with Venom, Scorpion, etc.; or challenge yourself a little more and use hitscan weapons. As for the weakness of biotics VS Atlases' big shields, this is isn't such a big deal since killing Phantoms or Dragoons with BE depletes the budget pretty fast.

 

As the opposite, Collectors limits your choices strongly. You want to play a vanguard ? Bad idea, you can't charge Praetorians without being synced around 90% of the time. Also, don't charge abominations in close space, or their explosion will kill you. Same with Shadow Strike, if you're not using a cyclonic, you're dead.

[Olivia Wilde]

If I'm playing the Kroguard or N7 Destroyer, Geth is fine (Reapers seem to be my Destroyers Bane, besides Scion Grenades)

 

If I'm playing gold though I'm usually open to anything

 

Collectors are a pain but also have one really odd weakness that I noticed, when recovering from detonations the human-size units get back up very slowly relative to other factions equivalent enemies

[Terminator Force]

I don't see how Cerberus limits the gameplay. This is the only faction featuring all types of defenses (barriers, shields, armor and health), with both melee range units and long range units, organics and synthetics (hence hackable enemies), and all Cerberus units can be meleed or charged without a 100% chance of being sync-killed. You can choose to trivialize them with Venom, Scorpion, etc.; or challenge yourself a little more and use hitscan weapons. As for the weakness of biotics VS Atlases' big shields, this is isn't such a big deal since killing Phantoms or Dragoons with BE depletes the budget pretty fast.

 

As the opposite, Collectors limits your choices strongly. You want to play a vanguard ? Bad idea, you can't charge Praetorians without being synced around 90% of the time. Also, don't charge abominations in close space, or their explosion will kill you. Same with Shadow Strike, if you're not using a cyclonic, you're dead.

 

Limiting myself to certain weapons or powers to trivialize certain enemies is not un-limiting gameplay options.

 

And again, you can't melee or use many powers onto something you can't lock onto due to Cerberus smoke.

 

Best kit to find out that Cerberus is the worst close quarter faction, is still Fury. Just play Fury with more close quarter focus instead of the safe ranged Dark Channel game and find out for yourself.

[Terminator Force]

^ Oh, and don't use a trivializing weapon like Venom on her either.

 

In fact. Use Shuriken and don't spec into Dark Channel to really force you into the CQ game. Then pick Gold/Cerbeus and look for bad pug combinations. Have fun.

 

EDIT - also hit record so I can enjoy it over many beers and laughter, over and over again.

[Loufi]

Limiting myself to certain weapons or powers to trivialize certain enemies is not un-limiting gameplay options.

 

And again, you can't melee or use many powers onto something you can't lock onto due to Cerberus smoke.

 

Best kit to find out that Cerberus is the worst close quarter faction, is still Fury. Just play Fury with more close quarter focus instead of the safe ranged Dark Channel game and find out for yourself.

As I said, using a staggering weapon VS Cerberus is far from being mandatory, even for solos.

 

I find that you're strongly exaggerating this smoke problem. There is usually only 1 centurion active on the map for gold Cerberus, and they die pretty quickly. Cerberus platinum has only 1 wave with Centurions, the fifth.

 

I have no clue about the Fury as I almost never play this character but I know that If I'm using a vanguard, I will have way more fun VS Cerberus than VS Collectors.

[TheNightSlasher]

You're strongly exaggerating this smoke problem. There is usually only 1 centurion active on the map for gold Cerberus, and they die pretty quickly. Cerberus platinum has only 1 wave with Centurions, the fifth.

Atlases drop smoke bombs too.

 

 

Same with Shadow Strike, if you're not using a cyclonic, you're dead.

I don't know about the rest but that is a bad example of saying collectors limit playstyle. It's like saying lash doesn't ragdoll a dragoon and therefore, cerberus limits my playstyle. It's just how the powers and enemies work - abombs need to be beheaded to not explode and SS doesn't do that; and lash doesn't ragdoll armor. 

 

Similar arguments can be made about overload, ED not ragdolling phantoms and CB and SF not freezing phantoms.

[Loufi]

Atlases drop smoke bombs too.

 

 

 

I don't know about the rest but that is a bad example of saying collectors limit playstyle. It's like saying lash doesn't ragdoll a dragoon and therefore, cerberus limits my playstyle. It's just how the powers and enemies work - abombs need to be beheaded to not explode and SS doesn't do that; and lash doesn't ragdoll armor. 

 

Similar arguments can be made about overload, ED not ragdolling phantoms and CB and SF not freezing phantoms.

Not exactly, as in my Shadow Strike example, the bad outcome doesn't result from the power properties, but from the level of gear necessary to make it works (you can Shadow Strike abominations without dying if you're using high level cyclonics). Anyway, it was just an example among others showing how playing melee characters VS Collectors can be irritating. 

[Fuenf789]

Cerberus can be trivialized by having 1 pistol , the lolcyte. In the absence of that, I had to relearn handling almost unstaggerable dragoons, phantoms shooting across the map or around corners, like atlasses. Priority Handling of those enemies with Curved bullet projectiles goes a far way.

Geth is trivialized with a geth scanner, in which absence , you have to kite in non-continuous paths, to avoid those ever converging hunters pyros and bombers.

... And so on... And so on.

If it were not 4 memory leaks, for me, the enemy are all on par (simply bc reapers have those cheating space magic jumping, super silent , time travelling rubberbanding back to her hands, banshees)

[xassantex]

every faction, every map , every weapon and game mechanics in ME3 MP have an infinitely annoying side to them. ..hence incredibly funny. 

[Quarian Master Race]

No. Geth faction isn't even better than being afflicted with tuberculosis, or set on fire with napalm.

All the other factions are fine apart from a few instances of nonsense (Atlas physics defying rockets and goon stagger immunity, Praetorian drill rounds, Banshee magnet hands, general sync kill inconsistency). Damn near every single geth unit has some form of glitch that is unpredictable, combined with the cheap, utterly retarded, skill neutralizing mechanic that is stunlock, which forces every kit's strategy into boring RHA camping unless you play a kit resistant or immune to it (Proguard, Worlard etc.) where the faction's weak, singleminded design (stunlock, glitches and spam) becomes glaringly apparent.

 

Limiting myself to certain weapons or powers to trivialize certain enemies is not un-limiting gameplay options.

 

And again, you can't melee or use many powers onto something you can't lock onto due to Cerberus smoke.

 

Best kit to find out that Cerberus is the worst close quarter faction, is still Fury. Just play Fury with more close quarter focus instead of the safe ranged Dark Channel game and find out for yourself.

Any weapon with decent spike damage, high DPS or that fires projectiles works vs Phantoms. Hitscan powers destroy them. That's assuming you're on host. Off host, they're just another mook that you can instagib with a headshot or two.

Smoke is EZ. Quit camping, run through it and shove your muzzle down the enemy's throat or equip Scanner if you can't handle it. Or just shoot the Centurions in the face and ignore the big, stupid, hackable, horrendously slow Atlas until the end of the wave, but not before you move to the other side of the map and run to the fridge for another beer, because it is literally that slow and easy to avoid.

That's like saying Collectors is the worst ranged faction because you decided to bring a Shuriken with no piercing mods on a weapons platform. You brought the wrong tools for the job and got punished. Skilless Furries who run around mindlessly spamming a single button lockon power and never having to fire a gun should get rekt. That's great design.

That said, I've seen said strategy employed against Cerberus just fine, so I've no idea what you're on about.

[Darth Volus]

I would rather be bayoneted with a rusted spear and die of gangrene than play Geth. 

[Teh_Ocelot]

No. Geth faction isn't even better than being afflicted with tuberculosis, or set on fire with napalm.

All the other factions are fine apart from a few instances of nonsense (Atlas physics defying rockets and goon stagger immunity, Praetorian drill rounds, Banshee magnet hands, general sync kill inconsistency). Damn near every single geth unit has some form of glitch that is unpredictable, combined with the cheap, utterly retarded, skill neutralizing mechanic that is stunlock, which forces every kit's strategy into boring RHA camping unless you play a kit resistant or immune to it (Proguard, Worlard etc.) where the faction's weak, singleminded design (stunlock, glitches and spam) becomes glaringly apparent.

 

Any weapon with decent spike damage, high DPS or that fires projectiles works vs Phantoms. Hitscan powers destroy them. That's assuming you're on host. Off host, they're just another mook that you can instagib with a headshot or two.

Smoke is EZ. Quit camping, run through it and shove your muzzle down the enemy's throat or equip Scanner if you can't handle it. Or just shoot the Centurions in the face and ignore the big, stupid, hackable, horrendously slow Atlas until the end of the wave, but not before you move to the other side of the map and run to the fridge for another beer, because it is literally that slow and easy to avoid.

That's like saying Collectors is the worst ranged faction because you decided to bring a Shuriken with no piercing mods on a weapons platform. You brought the wrong tools for the job and got punished. Skilless Furries who run around mindlessly spamming a single button lockon power and never having to fire a gun should get rekt. That's great design.

That said, I've seen said strategy employed against Cerberus just fine, so I've no idea what you're on about.

 

Finally someone with some sense 

[Terminator Force]

^ Was wondering when you'd get here.

[BioWareAre****s]

Play Collectors/Platinum on your PS3. You'll breeze through it.

[Fuenf789]

^ Was wondering when you'd get here.

Spot on TF. Often called the "brown tie" phenomenon. You quote a person's first line, don't even bother to read beyond it, and slap our own mustard to it. Tie because you have to pulled out by ur peers b4 suffocating, brown because, ehm.. Just so.

[Teh_Ocelot]

Truthfully, Geth aren't even the faction I hate the most, ****** Collectors are. 

 

The level of Geth frustration I feel is usually based on the map. When I'm on Hydra or Jade or Goddess and I'm getting stunlocked from Primes I can't even see, I feel some type of way about that. I would have mentioned Condor but I ragequit that map any time I load into it so whatever. I don't get half the frustration from Geth I get from Collectors. Maybe that's b/c I'm innately more RHA-minded when I play them, or perhaps I just luck out w/ my kit selections, idk. Outside of Hunters being sneaky and Bombers' fucked up hit box, I really don't rage much against Geth.

 

Collectors are completely different. I hate basically everything about that faction, from the ultra-armored bullet-sponge bosses to the swarms that Captains **** out to the Captains themselves. Only redeeming quality is abombing teammates, but that's not nearly redeeming enough.

[Terminator Force]

Play Collectors/Platinum on your PS3. You'll breeze through it.

 

"Oh no! Out of rockets, gels and ops! Pugs are dying and bleeding out everywhere! ... gott im himmel! I'm down! Is this the end of Terminator Force as we know it?!"

 

*Collector crash in progress. Resistance is futile*

 

"Phew. That was easy. FluffyCannibal was right. PS3 Collectors Platinum is no problemo."

 

[Malaclypse The Younger]

I consider geth and reapers to be a relatively equal bad guys. The odd stun lock or triple-missile-firing-RT seem a roughly equal trade for the banshee that teleports through 5.23m of solid wall to pick me up before she's even fully materialized.

I don't mind collectors at all, though my PS3 does. It hates Hazard Ghost equally.

Phantoms, however, drive me batty - unless I'm playing one of a handful of kits...

...also, I have yet to figure out how to actually enjoy shooting the acolyte. Before you think of typing 'L2acolyte' let me clarify:
I understand it's use, but it gives me 0% of the dopaminergic sparkle that I require from my weapons. To me, it is the Caffeine-Free Diet Pepsi of guns.

[gothpunkboy89]

In order of least favorite to most favorite

 

Collector, Cerberus, Geth, Reapers

 

Cerberus beats out geth because of the damn engineers. Nothing is more annoying then turning a corner and running face to face to 2 turrets who kill you almost instantly.  Or backing up with an atlas and being pinned between the two.

[Miniditka77]

Truthfully, Geth aren't even the faction I hate the most, ****** Collectors are. 

 

The level of Geth frustration I feel is usually based on the map. When I'm on Hydra or Jade or Goddess and I'm getting stunlocked from Primes I can't even see, I feel some type of way about that. I would have mentioned Condor but I ragequit that map any time I load into it so whatever. I don't get half the frustration from Geth I get from Collectors. Maybe that's b/c I'm innately more RHA-minded when I play them, or perhaps I just luck out w/ my kit selections, idk. Outside of Hunters being sneaky and Bombers' fucked up hit box, I really don't rage much against Geth.

 

Collectors are completely different. I hate basically everything about that faction, from the ultra-armored bullet-sponge bosses to the swarms that Captains **** out to the Captains themselves. Only redeeming quality is abombing teammates, but that's not nearly redeeming enough.

 

I completely agree with this.  Collectors are by far the most BS faction.  Most of the time, if you get into a stunlock dance against Geth, it's because you screwed up. It's slightly easier to take that way.  With Collectors, you can play it correctly and still get killed, by buttlazors that hit you through solid walls from across the map, two scions dropping a pile of grenades at your feet despite the fact that neither have LOS on you, Possessed Captains that fire 80 round bursts that basically LOL at your shield gate and health gate, etc.

[KaiserShep]

Reapers are the easiest faction to play against in the game .. quite frankly they are kind of a joke

 

Really? I always found Cerberus to be the easiest, despite the atlas mechs and turrets. If phantoms were health fiends then it might be a different story. 

[Best VolusSupport NA]

I'd rather get sync killed from a phantom with it's ass towards me, than getting stunlocked from Geth with their Chinese army rushing in big numbers tactics 

 

Then again it's probably no problem for the OP, since he's the Teriminator and not even the Geth can stop him even if they read the art of war by Sun Tzu