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[vbibbi]

The devs had said that his friendship with Cole was in the game so that you could see the caring side of Solas even without having to befriend him or romance him.  In fact, his romance was added in the first place to make his character more sympathetic.

 

I don't believe that Solas would ever hurt Cole (but then I also thought that there's no way Solas killed Felassan, and Trespasser jossed that theory).

 

 

He does.  He spends the entire DLC trying to explain - in a Cole way - that Solas isn't evil and there is still good in him.  And he's the only party member to Greatly Approve if you take the romance dialouge after learning that he's an agent of Fen'Harel.  It's after speaking to Viddasla and it's something like 'I have to help Solas'.  Everyone else disapproves.  Cole Greatly Approves.

I don't think Bioware will go this route, but I actually could see Solas sacrificing Cole if he felt the cause was necessary. Heck, maybe spirit!Cole would even be OK with this, as his sacrifice would be the ultimate act of compassion in easing Solas' pain. As we saw with Felassan and the Kirkwall mages in the Exalted Plains, Solas does have it in him to be ruthless given the right provocation.

[Illyria]

I don't think Bioware will go this route, but I actually could see Solas sacrificing Cole if he felt the cause was necessary. Heck, maybe spirit!Cole would even be OK with this, as his sacrifice would be the ultimate act of compassion in easing Solas' pain. As we saw with Felassan and the Kirkwall mages in the Exalted Plains, Solas does have it in him to be ruthless given the right provocation.

 

If the choice in DA4 comes down 'I can redeem Solas but Cole has to die' then I will be so upset.  That would be worse than chosing between my Hawke and a romanced Alistair.  But you're right - Solas can be very ruthless when he wants.  He killed one of his oldest friends just a year before Inquisiton, after all.  I'm hoping he's going to listen to Cole, not kill him.  He's already killed my favourite character from The Masked Empire, I don't want him to kill my favourite from DAI.

[robertmarilyn]

If the choice in DA4 comes down 'I can redeem Solas but Cole has to die' then I will be so upset.  That would be worse than chosing between my Hawke and a romanced Alistair.  But you're right - Solas can be very ruthless when he wants.  He killed one of his oldest friends just a year before Inquisiton, after all.  I'm hoping he's going to listen to Cole, not kill him.  He's already killed my favourite character from The Masked Empire, I don't want him to kill my favourite from DAI.

 

I'm new to romancing Solas (my current play-through) but at this point, if I have to choose between Solas and Cole, I'll choose Cole. Even if Cole won't be harmed, she won't back Solas, if he continues with his mission to kill good people. I wouldn't back Cullen or Alistair (my favorite romances) if they went bad. But I'm a hypocrite probably since my Hawkes all ran off with Anders after he blew things up. Still, they didn't know he was going to do that and they blame it on Justice. 

[Mlady]

If the choice in DA4 comes down 'I can redeem Solas but Cole has to die' then I will be so upset.  That would be worse than chosing between my Hawke and a romanced Alistair.  But you're right - Solas can be very ruthless when he wants.  He killed one of his oldest friends just a year before Inquisiton, after all.  I'm hoping he's going to listen to Cole, not kill him.  He's already killed my favourite character from The Masked Empire, I don't want him to kill my favourite from DAI.

 

At that point, just make Cole human in the Keep before you transfer your save. Human Cole would have no business with Solas. He was so uncomfortable being in the Crossroads in Trespasser and is pretty much done with anything spirit-related.

[Illyria]

I'm new to romancing Solas (my current play-through) but at this point, if I have to choose between Solas and Cole, I'll choose Cole. Even if Cole won't be harmed, she won't back Solas, if he continues with his mission to kill good people. I wouldn't back Cullen or Alistair (my favorite romances) if they went bad. But I'm a hypocrite probably since my Hawkes all ran off with Anders after he blew things up. Still, they didn't know he was going to do that and they blame it on Justice. 

 

I've been a fan of Solas since betore the game came out.  If Trespasser didn't make me stop being a fan then there's no hope for me

 

If it makes you feel better, killing people isn't Solas' intention.  That's just going to be a side effect of whatever it is he's trying to do.

 

That... actually probably doesn't make it better, does it?

 

At that point, just make Cole human in the Keep before you transfer your save. Human Cole would have no business with Solas. He was so uncomfortable being in the Crossroads in Trespasser and is pretty much done with anything spirit-related.

 

I've always been against doing that.  Plus, making Cole more of a Spirit is the in character choice of my Lavellan.  Changing it to human would feel wrong.

[Mlady]

I've always been against doing that.  Plus, making Cole more of a Spirit is the in character choice of my Lavellan.  Changing it to human would feel wrong.

 

Neither are wrong, but to me accepting him as a Spirit seems to make him so happy because Rhys wouldn't and Cole was scared the Inquisitor would be the same way, and Cole even says being allowed to be himself and not changing him meant a lot to him. I've done both, but after the dinner with him as a Spirit, I never look back anymore.

[Illyria]

Neither are wrong, but to me accepting him as a Spirit seems to make him so happy because Rhys wouldn't and Cole was scared the Inquisitor would be the same way, and Cole even says being allowed to be himself and not changing him meant a lot to him. I've done both, but after the dinner with him as a Spirit, I never look back anymore.

 

I didn't mean to imply that I think human!Cole is wrong.  Changing my Lavellan's choice due to metagaming is what would feel wrong. 

[Mlady]

I didn't mean to imply that I think human!Cole is wrong.  Changing my Lavellan's choice due to metagaming is what would feel wrong. 

 

Lol I never said that. I'm saying neither are wrong in case others tried to start a debate over it like I've seen in the past, but I prefer Spirit because of the reasons I gave.

[Ghost Gal]

After playing Trespasser and seeing how ruthless Solas is towards getting what he wants, even with my IQs who are all on the best to terms with Solas, I'm very afraid for Cole.   If Cole is more spirit, then I'm sure that Solas will use Cole, no matter how much that hurts Cole, against anyone who tries to get in the way of what Solas wants. 

 

Then you missed the entire point of both Solas' and Cole's characters.

 

The devs have said over and over again that while Solas is willing to do terrible things for what he feels is the greater good... he does it for the greater good. Patrick Weekes (the writer of Solas and Cole) has said time and time that Solas cares very deeply about all living things. (Just check out this interview, time mark 50 minutes onward.)  If you bring Cole with you in Trespasser (though judging by your post I doubt you did) whether human or spirit Cole constantly comments that Fen'Harel is not evil. "They've got it wrong, he's not that kind of wolf. He wants to help." Solas does what he does out of a desire to help people, he doesn't do it because he selfishly wants to do whatever he wants regardless of how it hurts others. (Although making a world a 

 

Cole himself is an empath who can sense the emotions and intentions of everyone, including Solas. In fact, Word of God said that Cole knew Solas' true identity all along, but didn't say anything. If a female Lavellan romances Solas, right after the breakup Cole almost reveals Solas' plan to her then and there. And again, if you bring him along in Trespasser, he constantly tries to convince the party that Fen'Harel (whom he knows is Solas) is not evil or malicious, he really is trying to help.

 

Cole instantly senses who Solas is and what he wants to do, but can also senses that he is kind and compassionate and cares about people and does what he does out of a desire to help. If Solas truly had something devious in mind or wanted to use Cole for any reason, Cole would sense it right away and would resist.

 

In fact, I doubt Solas would want to use Cole since he had a chance but passed it up before he left. If you talk to Cole after the end credits but before Trespasser, Solas will reveal that Cole knew where he was going and tried to reach out as a friend, but Solas erased Cole's memory of where he was going because he didn't want him to get dragged into what he was doing. If Solas had wanted to use Cole as a pawn, that would have been the time.

 

So, yeah. Demonize Solas if you want, help Cole settle on the human or spirit aspect of his nature if you want, but don't choose based on whether or not you think Solas is going to try to use him, because I doubt he will. If Solas wanted to use Cole, he would have done so by now. If he did want to use Cole for what he knew was an awful reason, Cole would sense it immediately and resist (since he already sensed Solas' identity and plans before). I doubt Cole's in danger of being manipulated by Solas for nefarious ends, so just choose based on which you think would be right for Cole's emotional well-being, not based on whether you think he'll be used by someone who couldn't and wouldn't use him in the future.

[vbibbi]

Neither are wrong, but to me accepting him as a Spirit seems to make him so happy because Rhys wouldn't and Cole was scared the Inquisitor would be the same way, and Cole even says being allowed to be himself and not changing him meant a lot to him. I've done both, but after the dinner with him as a Spirit, I never look back anymore.

Yeah at first I preferred human!Cole but after replaying both scenarios, I think he is more "content" as a spirit. It's like settling back into the role he wanted to have, while human sets him up for a lot more pain and learning/ Neither is objectively better, but I now prefer spirit path. Especially if that version has more to do with Solas than human would.

 

Plus I like Krem and Maryden so much more than Cole and Maryden.

[magic713]

So, yeah. Demonize Solas if you want, help Cole settle on the human or spirit aspect of his nature if you want, but don't choose based on whether or not you think Solas is going to try to use him, because I doubt he will. If Solas wanted to use Cole, he would have done so by now. If he did want to use Cole for what he knew was an awful reason, Cole would sense it immediately and resist (since he already sensed Solas' identity and plans before). I doubt Cole's in danger of being manipulated by Solas for nefarious ends, so just choose based on which you think would be right for Cole's emotional well-being, not based on whether you think he'll be used by someone who couldn't and wouldn't use him in the future.

I agree. Solas has stated to Cole that he doesn't bind spirits and I believe Cole would rather help Solas by leading him to redemption rather than helping him destroy the world. As much as Solas believes in his cause, he actively tried to avoid unnecessary deaths (even if they will inevitably die by the Veil's destruction), which implies he still holds to his own morals, which includes the refusal to bind a spirit, even if asked by said spirit.

[robertmarilyn]

Then you missed the entire point of both Solas' and Cole's characters.

 

The devs have said over and over again that while Solas is willing to do terrible things for what he feels is the greater good... he does it for the greater good. Patrick Weekes (the writer of Solas and Cole) has said time and time that Solas cares very deeply about all living things. (Just check out this interview, time mark 50 minutes onward.)  If you bring Cole with you in Trespasser (though judging by your post I doubt you did) whether human or spirit Cole constantly comments that Fen'Harel is not evil. "They've got it wrong, he's not that kind of wolf. He wants to help." Solas does what he does out of a desire to help people, he doesn't do it because he selfishly wants to do whatever he wants regardless of how it hurts others. (Although making a world a 

 

Cole himself is an empath who can sense the emotions and intentions of everyone, including Solas. In fact, Word of God said that Cole knew Solas' true identity all along, but didn't say anything. If a female Lavellan romances Solas, right after the breakup Cole almost reveals Solas' plan to her then and there. And again, if you bring him along in Trespasser, he constantly tries to convince the party that Fen'Harel (whom he knows is Solas) is not evil or malicious, he really is trying to help.

 

Cole instantly senses who Solas is and what he wants to do, but can also senses that he is kind and compassionate and cares about people and does what he does out of a desire to help. If Solas truly had something devious in mind or wanted to use Cole for any reason, Cole would sense it right away and would resist.

 

In fact, I doubt Solas would want to use Cole since he had a chance but passed it up before he left. If you talk to Cole after the end credits but before Trespasser, Solas will reveal that Cole knew where he was going and tried to reach out as a friend, but Solas erased Cole's memory of where he was going because he didn't want him to get dragged into what he was doing. If Solas had wanted to use Cole as a pawn, that would have been the time.

 

So, yeah. Demonize Solas if you want, help Cole settle on the human or spirit aspect of his nature if you want, but don't choose based on whether or not you think Solas is going to try to use him, because I doubt he will. If Solas wanted to use Cole, he would have done so by now. If he did want to use Cole for what he knew was an awful reason, Cole would sense it immediately and resist (since he already sensed Solas' identity and plans before). I doubt Cole's in danger of being manipulated by Solas for nefarious ends, so just choose based on which you think would be right for Cole's emotional well-being, not based on whether you think he'll be used by someone who couldn't and wouldn't use him in the future.

 

I did talk to Cole after the end credits but before Trespasser and I know that Solas erased his memory of where Solas was going because he didn't want Cole to be involved in what he was doing. Also human Cole was in my party through out all of Trespasser so I got to hear him say that Solas is a "good" wolf. I do think it's wrong for Solas to do something that will kill almost everybody and everything to fix a mistake he made in the past. I think the writers did a good job with Solas because he's certainly not all good or all bad. They let us make friends with him (if we wanted to...I always did) and they use Cole to let us see the good in Solas. But I already saw a lot of good in Solas although now Solas himself is showing and telling us that he will destroy the world if he can succeed to get what he wants. 

[nOrio_26]

Of course Solas is not evil and kind to his friends, and he knows his plan will kill lot of people.

But he believes he must  do it for a greater good. That makes him even  more horrible and evil than a Villain who does bad things just for power or something else!

 

Thus Solas is a good villain character! 

 

Comparing to the Lord Seeker Lucius, they all think they are doing the greater good,but they all must destroy the world.