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Jeniva

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I'm always paragon - but to be honest the renegade interrupts are so damn tempting and often make so much more sense than just standing there ignoring a weapon in your face etc.

 

My question is, can I play as a renegade shep - but still be decent to my squad and keep them loyal? 



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I normally play renegade. Just pick mostly renegade options when your not talking to your crew. When you are some of the renegade options are okay but I prefer the paragon one when talking to them. In the first Mass Effect talking to your squad typically doesn't reward paragon or renegade points so you really choose whichever you want there. Mass Effect 2 WILL reward paragon or renegade points when talking to your squad. Usually on my renegade playthroughs I'll end up with at least 25% paragon points by the end of ME2. Mass Effect 3 rewards Reputation points when talking to squad member so it's whatever there as well. 

 

In the end, I would really suggest playing renegade (while still being nice to your squad mates). It's a lot of fun. :)


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Yes. I play as a renegade in the majority of my playthroughs.


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Yes, the neat thing about the Paragon/Renegade morality in Mass Effect is that it tracks BOTH.

Compare to KOTOR, where you could be lightside OR neutral OR darkside.

So basically, you can play Paragon for your crew and Renegade for everyone else.

 

My Shepard is Paragon, through and through, but I will occasionally take the Renegade interrupts, usually when dealing with a scumbag.


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I'm always paragon - but to be honest the renegade interrupts are so damn tempting and often make so much more sense than just standing there ignoring a weapon in your face etc.
 
My question is, can I play as a renegade shep - but still be decent to my squad and keep them loyal?


Yes, you can. I had two "Renegade in name only" MSheps: their life-and-death decisions were Paragon, but their languages were offensive and intimidating to the point that they had more Renegade points than Paragon, and they could pass any Renegade checks. They also took a lot of Renegade interrupts when they didn't involve shooting allies or innocents. Just watch the renegade bar closely in ME2 and you'll be fine.

I also had a "true Renegade" FemShep who killed Wrex, saved Morinth, sabotaged the Cure, let innocents die, and so on.
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Yes :) u can my female Shepard, and actually only one >.<, is a renegade but keeps everyone loyal and still has one of the best outcomes for me :)
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I'm usually somewhere in the middle where I take what dialogue options I like best.  Most of the time in ME2 I will still have enough for the hard checks (with import bonuses).



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I am full paragon around my squad mates, but towards my enemies and conrad i'm not afraid to crack some skulls. some of my choices usually depend on my mood or my judgement. On mondays I will leave a mess  :P



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I'm always paragon - but to be honest the renegade interrupts are so damn tempting and often make so much more sense than just standing there ignoring a weapon in your face etc.

 

My question is, can I play as a renegade shep - but still be decent to my squad and keep them loyal? 

 

I mostly play Paragon when it comes to dialogue, but there are a few Renegade interrupts I never skip (both of the interrupts in Garrus' recruitment mission, shooting the tank in Mordin's loyalty mission, shooting the head off the armless mech in Overlord, and backhanding Gavin in Overlord to name some of them).  I like having Shep be a nice person while also having some badass moments.   :P



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and backhanding Gavin in Overlord to name some of them 

Actually I think that was a paragon interrupt.

 

Yeah, you know someone's being a dick when the damn paragon option is to pistol whip them.



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Probably on the brutal side, but pulls through on major moments. Maybe growing up with 70s/80s action movies influenced me a bit. It's all seems that way. I'd think a pure Paragon or Renegade are the rarer things to see.



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Doing a playthrough now where I've given myself max paragon and renegade points. It's nice making the choices I want to not the choices I need to



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Jeniva

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def want to try this then. I just completed ME2 as paragon again - but will get round to a renegade at some point. don't think I can be bothered with me1 though so it will already import paragon shep - agh. 



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If it's just the interrupts you are interested in, then you're fine. Unless I am mistaken, they are not at all dependent on your current paragon and renegade score. The only one I remember being dependent on anything is that your words to Veetor will determine if you get the paragon or renegade interrupt option there. Then there early conversations with Mordin allow you to Renegade interrupt early and then give a Paragon interrupt if you don't take it. Other than that, they are entirely separate and situational.

 

Conversation options are another story... see below

 

 

Yes, the neat thing about the Paragon/Renegade morality in Mass Effect is that it tracks BOTH.

Compare to KOTOR, where you could be lightside OR neutral OR darkside.

So basically, you can play Paragon for your crew and Renegade for everyone else.

 

My Shepard is Paragon, through and through, but I will occasionally take the Renegade interrupts, usually when dealing with a scumbag.

 

 

While this is true, ME2 has a weird way of calculating if the conversation options are available. I don't know what ME1 and 3 do. ME2 compares your total of Renegade or Paragon to the total points that could have been earned so far, which means that each time you don't earn points hurts your ability to make dialogue options in that category for the rest of the game. This seems weird and even unfair, but it makes sense if you see it as building Shepard's personality into someone who wouldn't say certain things. Because it's based on how many points you could have had, that means that it's more about closing off doors because you acted a certain way rather than the doors starting closed and only opening once you've earned enough points. Basically, it allows you to put Shepard as a Paragon or Renegade right from the start if you wish.



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I think renegade turns out better for loyalty in ME2 so I play it once in awhile but I like  being the good guy too.



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One thing to note if playing as pure renegade. Sending an escort back with the crew will give you paragon points. I believe its 17 points. MIght be wrong.  Unless I'm doing a specific run, I always send an escort with the crew even when playing as a pure renegade.

 

The other is if you choose to destroy the base, you receive paragon points. Not sure how many points. If you are not going to do a low ems run in ME3, you can choose to save the base which will give you renegade points. Why did I mention that? If you were to do a low ems run in ME3{below 1750) what you chose to do with the base plays a role. If you destroy the base, the destroy ending will be the only ending available and if the base is saved, control will be the only ending available.


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Actually I think that was a paragon interrupt.

 

Yeah, you know someone's being a dick when the damn paragon option is to pistol whip them.

 

Hmm..... now that I think about it, I think you're right.  I guess I automatically assumed it was a Renegade interrupt because it's the only Paragon interrupt that resulted in hitting someone.



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Hmm..... now that I think about it, I think you're right.  I guess I automatically assumed it was a Renegade interrupt because it's the only Paragon interrupt that resulted in hitting someone.

If you choose the paragon dialogue when talking to the Elcor on Omega about the quarian, Shepard threatens to break the Elcor's legs



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I don't really want Shepard to be pure evil, so will want to mix in some paragon. Like I don't want to get people killed for no reason, unless I just don't like them of course. Even on my paragon playthrough I killed some Asari on ME1 who I knew continues you to be bad throughout the series if you let her live. 



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I don't really want Shepard to be pure evil, so will want to mix in some paragon. Like I don't want to get people killed for no reason, unless I just don't like them of course. Even on my paragon playthrough I killed some Asari on ME1 who I knew continues you to be bad throughout the series if you let her live. 

I guess you would never want to do a playthrough like this



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I guess you would never want to do a playthrough like this

how could you do such a thing V__V EVIL



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how could you do such a thing V__V EVIL

Its not bad. The only thing I don't like about that playthrough is it took a long time to complete

 

A paragon Shepard can have more deaths in a playthrough than a renegade Shepard. Depends on what the player chooses to do



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I'm going to try and replay ME1, might be slow going. And be a bit more renegade than paragon...but we will see how it goes. I might not like it, then again I might love it!



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AGH you know what. I can't replay ME1 AGAIN. i love it, it's a great game. but I am some one who HAS to do all the side stuff, and ME1 is soooo soooo slow on my ps, the loading screens, the crashing. I canttttt. But I did prefer my first shepards backstory more than my newer one, plus I had kaidan alive and I regret killing him on Virmire on my 2nd shepard...only thing is I romanced him and want to romance Thane for this next shep - so guess shep will be 'cheating'. 


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If you choose the paragon dialogue when talking to the Elcor on Omega about the quarian, Shepard threatens to break the Elcor's legs

 

True, but you're threatening him in order to help Ken (I think that's his name) get off of Omega.  Meanwhile, the Renegade dialogue gets Harot to either make Ken increase his prices or shut down his shop completely (iirc), which is basically adding insult to injury considering Ken's situation.