^ This.
If the story isn't good in the end, it's not because of the protagonist but because the writers failed the basic task of keeping things simple and immersive for players.
Yep and with the person who is at the helm of the game I have no faith that they will produce a good story.
Because I couldn't turn my brain off for Hackett not knowing that he can beat the Reapers, and the Reapers not knowing that Hackett can beat them. It's a different category of stupid. You don't get to play this card after months of warfare. I can turn my brain off for technobabble easily. Probably comes from 40 yeas of watching Doctor Who -- although, honestly, Star Trek is hardly any better.
I'm going to have to take your word for it, because I find "Teach the Reapers to love with green organic energy" is a category of stupid that actually managed to surpass the Lazarus Project in my mind. Something I hadn't believed possible. Joker's thresher-maw gun idea was hardly worse.
I actually could find Hackett managing to pull off a victory with the assets SHepard had gathered to be more believable.
Bit then, I was never a Dr Who fan.
Liara practically had to pry him away to talk to Hackett.
The only thing I remember about that is Liara has a grasp for the obvious when she says that Ashley needs medical attention
I've said before. As soon as the Citadel arms are fully opened, the crucible fires a pulse throughout the galaxy that reprograms the reapers to stop their harvest. They head back to dark space never to be seen again.
What this does is it gets rid of the magic carpet ride up to lala land
gets rid of the leviathan turd aka catalyst aka intelligence
gets rid of the comment 'you do not know them and there's not enough time to explain'
gets rid of the comment 'synthesis is the final evolution of all life'
gets rid of the shoot this ending, pull that ending and jump into this ending
The geth and the edibot survive. Shepard survives. I guess for an extra bonus, Anderson isn't dead. He just passed out.
Is this the best idea Bioware could use? No. Are there better ideas? I'm sure there are. And I'm sure if Bioware was to have another game in the Milky Way, they will come up with whatever idea that works best for what they want to do.
It may not be the best idea out there, but has the advantage of not costing a whole lot of resources adding or altering scenes. It also eaves all the choices made in the trilogy intact, genpophage, Rannoch, etc. And yeah, takes an axe to the worst of the stupid.
The only thing I remember about that is Liara has a grasp for the obvious when she says that Ashley needs medical attention
As I said, Shepard was losing it. All he could do was gaze down at her for the entire scene. Liara has to get right into his face to tell him they need to leave.
As I said, Shepard was losing it. All he could do was gaze down at her for the entire scene. Liara has to get right into his face to tell him they need to leave.
Yup, Shepard comes off as rather incompetent and dumb, on more than one occasion.
Better than what was in the game? Read the rest of my post below that one line you quoted
So just like AlanC9 said, it is an independance day ending. But this film was fun because it can't be taken seriously, the writing is ridiculous, without any ambition, using stupid valours, it's the worst of Hollywood : it's a stupid entertainment. Sorry but you can't ask for an independance day ending and think that it would be "better".
While the *idea* of the ME3 ending is supposedly more sophisticated, in actuality as it was presented, the ME3 game makes about an equal amount of sense, maybe less than the Independence Day ending.
How would that invalidate the endings? Nobody ever said they were good for the entire universe.
Yes, but it invalidates the reapers and the catalysts as per their own explanations. Can't protect organic life from getting wiped out by AI, by only doing it in 1 galaxy, in a universe with FTL or you'll have a 100 trillion ai battle ships curb stomping your tiny insignificant fleet of reapers any day now. Especially if hate god ai is as likely as they make it out to be. It makes the reapers and catalyst pointless, dumb and/or lying and control and synthesis irrelevant.
EDIT and PS: And no the scientific basis for eg. synthesis is not in the game allready. It's requirements are probably by orders of magnitude larger than anything we've seen in the game. Control / destroy endings included.
So just like AlanC9 said, it is an independance day ending. But this film was fun because it can't be taken seriously, the writing is ridiculous, without any ambition, using stupid valours, it's the worst of Hollywood : it's a stupid entertainment. Sorry but you can't ask for an independance day ending and think that it would be "better".
When I posted the idea, Independance Day movie wasn't even on my mind. So you assuming I wanted that is just that, an assumption. As far as asking, I wasn't asking anything. It was only an idea. If you have a problem with that, deal with it
So just like AlanC9 said, it is an independance day ending. But this film was fun because it can't be taken seriously, the writing is ridiculous, without any ambition, using stupid valours, it's the worst of Hollywood : it's a stupid entertainment. Sorry but you can't ask for an independance day ending and think that it would be "better".
As much as some might want to believe it, Mass Effect isn't some highly sophisticated Thinkers' scifi. I mean, what difference is there between Vigil's data file and David's Apple Powerbook?
When I posted the idea, Independance Day movie wasn't even on my mind. So you assuming I wanted that is just that, an assumption. As far as asking, I wasn't asking anything. It was only an idea. If you have a problem with that, deal with it
Compare your ending and Independance day's one, you'll see that I'm not wrong. It was just an idea, maybe when you were thinking about it, but the moment you said that it would be better, it was no longer "an idea" it became an element of comparison, it became a representation of what you want instead of what we've got.
As much as some might want to believe it, Mass Effect isn't some highly sophisticated Thinkers' scifi. I mean, what difference is there between Vigil's data file and David's Apple Powerbook?
What are you talking about? We were talking about the writing. Virgil is Mass Effect?
Compare your ending and Independance day's one, you'll see that I'm not wrong. It was just an idea, maybe when you were thinking about it, but the moment you said that it would be better, it was no longer "an idea" it became an element of comparison, it became a representation of what you want instead of what we've got.
Like I said. If you have a problem with it, deal with it.
That general incoherence is why I like indoctrination theory. Hallucinations don't need to make sense.The tech is a bunch of arbitrary rules, but the NPCs have minds that function like ordinary minds do -- assuming that particular NPC is human or close to human, anyway. Plot nonsense probably isn't a great term for referring to making the NPCs behave in stupid ways to get the plot where you want it to go.
Edit: "Stupid" is the wrong concept there. Try "incoherent." There wouldn't even be any rationale for it except that we really, really wanted the player to win. I gotta go with QMR on this one; it's lame and a bit contemptible.
Of course, you're going to say that ME has some of that already. And you'd be right. That doesn't mean that making this aspect much, much worse is the way to go.
Because I couldn't turn my brain off for Hackett not knowing that he can beat the Reapers, and the Reapers not knowing that Hackett can beat them. It's a different category of stupid. You don't get to play this card after months of warfare. I can turn my brain off for technobabble easily. Probably comes from 40 yeas of watching Doctor Who -- although, honestly, Star Trek is hardly any better.
OK. OK. When you go off on a tangent like that you really shouldn't quote the material you're going to ignore; it's harder to follow the point.
Like I said. If you have a problem with it, deal with it.
Just like you have to deal with the ending. 
I'm going to have to take your word for it, because I find "Teach the Reapers to love with green organic energy" is a category of stupid that actually managed to surpass the Lazarus Project in my mind. Something I hadn't believed possible. Joker's thresher-maw gun idea was hardly worse.
As much as I like 80% of the outcome of Synthesis, how it comes to pass could indeed be hardly more stupid - by which I mean inconsistent with any even remotely plausible extension of the lore. Hehe...I love how you summarized it. I wish I could've come up with something equally to the point when i wrote my one-year-after review back in 2013.
What are you talking about? We were talking about the writing. Virgil is Mass Effect?
As much as I like 80% of the outcome of Synthesis, how it comes to pass could indeed be hardly more stupid - by which I mean inconsistent with any even remotely plausible extension of the lore. Hehe...I love how you summarized it. I wish I could've come up with something equally to the point when i wrote my one-year-after review back in 2013.
Even though it happens in Mass Effect 3 well before Shepard does it, during the stand down with Legion...
As much as I like 80% of the outcome of Synthesis, how it comes to pass could indeed be hardly more stupid - by which I mean inconsistent with any even remotely plausible extension of the lore. Hehe...I love how you summarized it. I wish I could've come up with something equally to the point when i wrote my one-year-after review back in 2013.
Just pretend it's nanobots, that's what I do.
Just like you have to deal with the ending.
I have otherwise I wouldn't continue playing ME3, right? I like the destroy ending
Yes, but it invalidates the reapers and the catalysts as per their own explanations. Can't protect organic life from getting wiped out by AI, by only doing it in 1 galaxy, in a universe with FTL or you'll have a 100 trillion ai battle ships curb stomping your tiny insignificant fleet of reapers any day now. Especially if hate god ai is as likely as they make it out to be. It makes the reapers and catalyst pointless, dumb and/or lying and control and synthesis irrelevant.
EDIT and PS: And no the scientific basis for eg. synthesis is not in the game allready. It's requirements are probably by orders of magnitude larger than anything we've seen in the game. Control / destroy endings included.
When it comes to the preservation of life I'm guessing the Catalyst was more concerned with rampant AI in this galaxy, because if an intergalactic AI army arises intent on destroying all organic life in the universe, there isn't much it could do about it anyway.
Just like you have to deal with the ending.
Dealing with / accepting the state of things... Does not magically make something good/acceptable/unacceptable/bad.
I don't like fish. If people serve it to me and I'm not honest about not liking it. They'll keep serving it to me. I can choose to be nice and eat it, if someone put alot of effort into it, but that wont improve my chances of getting something I like in the future.
A surgeon removing the wrong leg? Deal with it. We won't even tell him to check better in the future.
Dealing with is one thing... Flat out ignoring potential lessions and sticking your head in the sand is a whole nother can of worms.
When it comes to the preservation of life I'm guessing the Catalyst was more concerned with rampant AI in this galaxy, because if an intergalactic AI army arises intent on destroying all organic life in the universe, there isn't much it could do about it anyway.
The solution is obvious. You need a friendly rampant universe conquering AI to defend you. Which makes the catalyst and the reaper plan detrimental to longterm survival. Unless rampant ai isn't terribly likely at all... In which case the catalyst and reapers are just ... superfluous...
The solution is obvious. You need a friendly rampant universe conquering AI to defend you. Which makes the catalyst and the reaper plan detrimental to longterm survival. Unless rampant ai isn't terribly likely at all... In which case the catalyst and reapers are just ... superfluous...
Well they weren't rampant, they didn't exterminate organic life. But yes you do have to take it on faith that rampant AI is something to be feared.
Well they weren't rampant, they didn't exterminate organic life. But yes you do have to take it on faith that rampant AI is something to be feared.
Yeah, faith indeed... Because rampant ai cannot have wiped out all organic life in around a billion years or so in the ME universe, since there existed organic leviathans to invent catalyst's and reapers. So the only evidence for it's possibility is mention of small scale relatively limited conflict. I don't do well at all with faith. 
But all of this is old ooooold ground...
The point of it is... Make a better ending next time, so we're discussing something worthwhile and subjective, such as morals, rather than details and oversights of the writers. And in my oppinion... make it even better and emotionally engaging the next time. A good bittersweet ending is not the absense of both bitter and sweet, but both combined.
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