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'Be open-minded to a Mass Effect with no Shepard,' dev says about Andromeda


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#51
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Again, people were talking about this on Twitter.

In general, the BSN's interests and the interests of the fanbase as a whole aren't very closely related..

Do you really think people who talk about Mass Effect on Twitter are any ore or less "the fanbase" than the BSN?



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Yeah, he should ignore it.

 

Probably shouldn't even be on Twitter, but that's another story.

 

As for why I'm reading this, I just think the whole Shepard thing is a conversation killer. I think there can be better discussion with people who have doubts or were attached to the previous series. But first, Shepard has to be left out of it. It assumes people are actually that petty....

 

As much as we can sit here and ignore/hate on Twitter, it's a very good idea for developers to be on it. It's a good way to talk to your fanbase in a way that's short and to the point. Not the only way, but one of the ways.

 

The guy had a concern about Andromeda and a BioWare developer responded to it. The only thing that probably shouldn't have happened is CNet's coverage of the whole thing, as this is really not something that should even be considered news.

 

and yeah, some people are that petty. I've seen dumber things than claiming that Mass Effect without shep is embarrassing. I don't have to assume anything.



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It's not the lack of Shepard that I have my worries about this game being good. 

Yep.  There's a laundry list of things I'm concerned about.  Lack of the faceless torso named "Shepard" isn't one of them.


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Do you really think people who talk about Mass Effect on Twitter are any ore or less "the fanbase" than the BSN?

 

I think it's more just that the Twitter crowd is very different from us as a whole.

 

The forum community isn't any more or less the fanbase than anything else, but we do tend to be the more dedicated group.



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Andromeda isn't part of the trilogy, so why would people be mad that it's not part of it?

well mabye because of how they left things off with the mass effect 3 ending ?  :P



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well mabye because of how they left things off with the mass effect 3 ending ? :P


What's to worry about?

You're forced to do something awful to the galaxy to keep the Reapers from doing something awful to the galaxy. Shepard either dies horribly or maaaaaybe lives as a faceless torso.

What's not to be totally optimistic about where the franchise goes next? /sarcasm
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                                                                               There is no Shepard. Only Zuul!


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Do you really think people who talk about Mass Effect on Twitter are any ore or less "the fanbase" than the BSN?


From the tweets I've seen, the twitterers are different from us. Tweets don't match up too well percentage-wise with posts here. The same concerns reappear, but in far different ratios.

And from other data, we're not representative of the fanbase. Compare any bit of tracking data to what you see here and we don't play the game the same way.

Maybe the twittters are representative of the fanbase. They've got a chance to be, since they're different from us.
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Do you really think people who talk about Mass Effect on Twitter are any ore or less "the fanbase" than the BSN?

 

Twitter is better suited for one-liners than for deep discussions, so yeah, there is a a difference.


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What's to worry about?
You're forced to do something awful to the galaxy to keep the Reapers from doing something awful to the galaxy. Shepard either dies horribly or maaaaaybe lives as a faceless torso.
What's not to be totally optimistic about where the franchise goes next? /sarcasm


Indeed.

The weird and unfortunate thing for me is that, had Spepard's story ended well, I would have been more than happy to see a new protagonist in a new trilogy, possibly one of a different species or background like a noir-ish P.I. on Omega. Instead the whole 'faceless torso' thing has left me with a nagging lack of closure. The strong possibility that the new hero will be another human military 'Shepard 2.0' doesn't particularly excite me either.
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Good.

 

I'm glad Bioware knows when a character's story is over unlike say, Capcom with Resident Evil, where they keep bringing lame and overrated characters back *cough*Chris Redfield and Leon S. Kennedy*cough* because their whiny fanbase demands it  <_< I'm just glad Bioware isn't like that. :D

 

Anyways, I'm wondering when we'll get some new infos on our new protagonist



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Of course Shepard is going to be in Andromeda, it'll be a Shepard VI running the ARK. (Mostly joking)

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No Shepard in Mass effect Andromeda!!! How is it possible.

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Not very hard tbh.



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As much as we can sit here and ignore/hate on Twitter, it's a very good idea for developers to be on it. It's a good way to talk to your fanbase in a way that's short and to the point. Not the only way, but one of the ways.

 

The guy had a concern about Andromeda and a BioWare developer responded to it. The only thing that probably shouldn't have happened is CNet's coverage of the whole thing, as this is really not something that should even be considered news.

 

and yeah, some people are that petty. I've seen dumber things than claiming that Mass Effect without shep is embarrassing. I don't have to assume anything.

 

It just reminds me of Mac Walters and his stance on ME3. All he took from the criticism is that people can't get over "Shepard". It just shows how little respect he has for any of it.. just to paint it that way.

 

I think they don't understand people in general.. It's hit or miss. And it's why they're never as successful as other big franchises, and why they keep reinventing the wheel in their games.



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??? Did people really think Shepard could come back for ME:A? ??? *scratches head*

 

As far as I'm concerned, even if they plausibly could come back, Shepard's absence does more to recommend ME:A than their presence would have. I spent almost two games of the trilogy fighting the writers and their unwillingness to let players define their protagonist. With ME2:Arrival at the latest, Shepard became canonically Stupid!Shep, and I would've avoided a lot of pain had I taken that as a hint and not played on.


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I would like the bootleg Shephard VI to make a cameo, preferably controlling a gunship or other piece of military hardware, but other than that, I'm glad that she won't be returning. Her story is done.



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Good riddance i say.


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Yah know this is probably not a bad example of how insular/fringe the forum community is. This has been obvious to us for years now. To most people who'll wind up buying MEA this is probably news, if they even read it.



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I just... wow. This has always been a non-issue to me. And by "always" I mean since the end of ME3. Do they really believe that's what the majority of their fan base believed? That Shepard was going to be in  Andromeda?

 

Out of touch, guys?


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I have no problem leaving Shepard behind, so long as his ultimate fate is finally addressed. Of course, this is never gonna happen, as it would hurt the butts of those with synthesis dreams of electric Shep. As it currently stands, I have difficulty in believing I'll be able to invest in a new protagonist, a new crew, a new ship and a new galaxy when the old ones are still trapped in slide show purgatory. Lost was less ambiguous.

 

I'd like to add, what the hell is going on with this 'Shepard's story is over' echo chamber. The last I checked, my Shep was alive but buried under rubble. If someone could kindly direct me towards this magical edition of the game, where Shep and the core Mass Effect crew have their stories and fates ended (I'd like to know what happened to Tali, and how long the recently fixed Normandy searched for Shep), I'd be grateful.

 

Of course, Bioware could be keeping all this close to their chest for a reason, and everything I'm bitching about could be addressed in upcoming trailers, or even the game itself. Though I doubt it, I guess time will tell.


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It just reminds me of Mac Walters and his stance on ME3. All he took from the criticism is that people can't get over "Shepard". It just shows how little respect he has for any of it.. just to paint it that way.

 

I think they don't understand people in general.. It's hit or miss. And it's why they're never as successful as other big franchises, and why they keep reinventing the wheel in their games.

 

It's not really anything like Mac's comments, though. He's simply just asking people to keep an open mind about a Mass Effect game without Shep rather than trying to imply people can't get over the character. It's a pretty standard PR comment, to be honest.

 

Mass Effect as a series has always sold quite well from what I've gathered. It doesn't reach CoD levels but then, very few things do. Even less if we're talking RPG games, which don't tend to have the mass appeal of CoD or GTA.


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It's not really anything like Mac's comments, though. He's simply just asking people to keep an open mind about a Mass Effect game without Shep rather than trying to imply people can't get over the character. It's a pretty standard PR comment, to be honest.

 

Mass Effect as a series has always sold quite well from what I've gathered. It doesn't reach CoD levels but then, very few things do. Even less if we're talking RPG games, which don't tend to have the mass appeal of CoD or GTA.

 

RPGs? Skyrim alone sold 20 million. The whole Mass Effects series put together, complete with various compilitation editions, is less than that (14 million apparently). Final Fantasy sells a bit too... at least historically speaking. Those are mainstream, off the top of my head. But yeah, it's never going to be CoD or GTA levels. But I don't expect even a fraction of that.

 

I'll let you reply, but I'm getting off the point. If you don't see the comment in the same context, fair enough.



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??? Did people really think Shepard could come back for ME:A? ??? *scratches head*

 

[...]

Sure, with all the Zombie Survival games out there - another Zombie character wouldn't actually be a surprise. And to all the people still believing Shepard survives in the Red Ending: It's Shepard Zombie coming reanimate again. His past but a glimpse in its memory, the breath just a shocked reflex.



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Yep.  There's a laundry list of things I'm concerned about.  Lack of the faceless torso named "Shepard" isn't one of them.

 

Pretty much this. They made it clear that Shepard wouldn't be in MEA and I was completely okay with that. I just hope they won't repeat past mistakes.