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[Wulfram]

I don't think the absence of Shepard alone is a problem, but more broadly the characters are a lot of what makes Mass Effect. With the whole cast changing and a radical change in setting it is a pretty challenging situation for ME:A

[Eryri]

I have no problem leaving Shepard behind, so long as his ultimate fate is finally addressed. Of course, this is never gonna happen, as it would hurt the butts of those with synthesis dreams of electric Shep. As it currently stands, I have difficulty in believing I'll be able to invest in a new protagonist, a new crew, a new ship and a new galaxy when the old ones are still trapped in slide show purgatory. Lost was less ambiguous.

I'd like to add, what the hell is going on with this 'Shepard's story is over' echo chamber. The last I checked, my Shep was alive but buried under rubble. If someone could kindly direct me towards this magical edition of the game, where Shep and the core Mass Effect crew have their stories and fates ended (I'd like to know what happened to Tali, and how long the recently fixed Normandy searched for Shep), I'd be grateful.

Of course, Bioware could be keeping all this close to their chest for a reason, and everything I'm bitching about could be addressed in upcoming trailers, or even the game itself. Though I doubt it, I guess time will tell.

QFT. I'd really prefer Bioware to give us closure on the characters we know first (which has always been the most appealing part of the franchise for me), before moving on to new ones. (Edit) After that, by all means give us a new roster. I don't see the point of another blank slate military protagonist though, we already had a perfectly serviceable one of those that had the advantage of 3 games worth of character history to give him / her some personality. Why start from scratch with the same thing?

Edited with a few more thoughts.

Modifié par Eryri, 28 octobre 2015 - 01:36 .

[Aimi]

Eh, i've played JRPGs where their cast of teenagers with zero military experience displayed far greater knowledge than Shepard, like trails in the sky, where they plan raids that involve ambushes,flanking,etc, whereas Shepard's usual MO is "go here and start pew pewing".
 
I would've preferred having them or Welkin Gunther from Valkyria Chronicles in charge of saving the galaxy tbh.

The new expansion for BioWare Austin's The Old Republic MMO, which has been rightly lauded for its story, does contain an instance kind of like this. Two characters, one with military experience, set an ambush for incoming enemies; after it achieves initial surprise, another character remarks to the player that the ambushers' training was a little "unorthodox". Yeah, okay, lady. Setting up one mine and hiding behind a wall is only "unorthodox" if this is Massachusetts in 1775. Also, that fight pits two dudes against a "battalion", which is kind of hilarious, because that's going to be something like 250-to-1 odds, give or take a hundred in either direction.

[Undead Han]

I believe in the Shlerf.

 

Halo 4 was fun.

 

Isn't he gone?

 

Rumors were floating around a couple months back at least that he was no longer with Bioware.

[Undead Han]

The new expansion for BioWare Austin's The Old Republic MMO, which has been rightly lauded for its story, does contain an instance kind of like this. Two characters, one with military experience, set an ambush for incoming enemies; after it achieves initial surprise, another character remarks to the player that the ambushers' training was a little "unorthodox". Yeah, okay, lady. Setting up one mine and hiding behind a wall is only "unorthodox" if this is Massachusetts in 1775. Also, that fight pits two dudes against a "battalion", which is kind of hilarious, because that's going to be something like 250-to-1 odds, give or take a hundred in either direction.

 

If a person rolls with the Torfan background in Mass Effect it is said that Shepard led a 'squad' in seizing the planet.

 

LOL Wut?

 

8 to 12 people conquered a planet? Did the entire Batarian planetary garrison consist of no more than 3 or 4 people? 

[Beerfish]

No Shepard but at least the Bratalyst will be a major character in MEA.

[9TailsFox]

If a person rolls with the Torfan background in Mass Effect it is said that Shepard led a 'squad' in seizing the planet.

 

LOL Wut?

 

8 to 12 people conquered a planet? Did the entire Batarian planetary garrison consist of no more than 3 or 4 people? 

[9TailsFox]

The new expansion for BioWare Austin's The Old Republic MMO, which has been rightly lauded for its story, does contain an instance kind of like this. Two characters, one with military experience, set an ambush for incoming enemies; after it achieves initial surprise, another character remarks to the player that the ambushers' training was a little "unorthodox". Yeah, okay, lady. Setting up one mine and hiding behind a wall is only "unorthodox" if this is Massachusetts in 1775. Also, that fight pits two dudes against a "battalion", which is kind of hilarious, because that's going to be something like 250-to-1 odds, give or take a hundred in either direction.

SWTOR have greatest story gameplay segregation. One guy with a blaster can take out entire base.

[Iakus]

From the tweets I've seen, the twitterers are different from us. Tweets don't match up too well percentage-wise with posts here. The same concerns reappear, but in far different ratios.

And from other data, we're not representative of the fanbase. Compare any bit of tracking data to what you see here and we don't play the game the same way.

Maybe the twittters are representative of the fanbase. They've got a chance to be, since they're different from us.

Or maybe they're representative of different segments of "the fanbase"

 

I'm not one to say who are the "real fans" and who aren't

 

And this is coming from someone who disagrees that a lack of Shepard is going to be a problem with MEA 

[AlanC9]

It's not really anything like Mac's comments, though. He's simply just asking people to keep an open mind about a Mass Effect game without Shep rather than trying to imply people can't get over the character. It's a pretty standard PR comment, to be honest.

If a fan asks a specific question that's, admittedly, a little dopey since they've already told us the answer, why not repeat the answer? This is one of the few questions that a dev could answer without checking to see if it's OK to reveal the info.

[Majestic Jazz]

RPGs? Skyrim alone sold 20 million. The whole Mass Effects series put together, complete with various compilitation editions, is less than that (14 million apparently). Final Fantasy sells a bit too... at least historically speaking. Those are mainstream, off the top of my head. But yeah, it's never going to be CoD or GTA levels. But I don't expect even a fraction of that.

I'll let you reply, but I'm getting off the point. If you don't see the comment in the same context, fair enough.

Mass Effect 1 was never avaiable for PS3 owners. Also ME2 came to PS3 but at a much later date.

[Majestic Jazz]

If a person rolls with the Torfan background in Mass Effect it is said that Shepard led a 'squad' in seizing the planet.

LOL Wut?

8 to 12 people conquered a planet? Did the entire Batarian planetary garrison consist of no more than 3 or 4 people?

No, he lead them in a bunker on the planet where the major setup was located.

[AlanC9]

Or maybe they're representative of different segments of "the fanbase"
 
I'm not one to say who are the "real fans" and who aren't
 
And this is coming from someone who disagrees that a lack of Shepard is going to be a problem with MEA

Sure. That's why I said "they've got a chance to be." Just a chance. Or the median ME:A twitterer is about as far from the median ME fan as the median BSN poster is. Or even further off. Or just about anywhere on that spectrum for any individual issue.

[dreamgazer]

Be open-minded? Hell, a lack of Shepard and his/her baggage is one of Andromeda's biggest selling points right now.

[Iakus]

Be open-minded? Hell, a lack of Shepard and his/her baggage is one of Andromeda's biggest selling points right now.

Pretty much the only selling point as far as I'm concerned, but yeah.

[blahblahblah]

Mass Effect 1 was never avaiable for PS3 owners. Also ME2 came to PS3 but at a much later date.

ME1 is available for PS3 since 2012.

[Silcron]

No Shepard but at least the Bratalyst will be a major character in MEA.

Next you'll be joking he's going to be the PC....
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...I'm not going to be able to sleep now.

[Ariella]

If a person rolls with the Torfan background in Mass Effect it is said that Shepard led a 'squad' in seizing the planet.
 
LOL Wut?
 
8 to 12 people conquered a planet? Did the entire Batarian planetary garrison consist of no more than 3 or 4 people?

No planetary garrison. Torfan was a base for criminals who were mostly batarians. As retaliation for the Blitz, the Alliance attacked the planet, not just Shepard. The whole background becomes unclear except for Shepard and unit pursued the batarians and wiped them out, thus the Butcher of Torfan. And Shepard wasn't the only one on the group nor was Shepard ranking officer. That was Major Kyle.

So it wasn't a "squad". We just know what Shepard's unit did, while taking heavy losses.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

That's not really like that at all. People who hate the Star Wars prequels hate them because they saw them and determined that they were hot garbage passed through Lucas' schlock machine. Gamers who hate ME:A already have only bits of info, some of which seems more like rumor, and a trailer to work with. 

 

You're 100% right on that, 

Honestly I was very tied and didn't get the right example. I should have used Star Wars 7 because it's a much better example.of the same thing,

 

It's pretty much the same as gamers who hate ME:A and Star Wars fans who hate Star Wars 7 for whatever their reasons.  

[pkypereira]

I agree that Shepard did need a break and that he/she shouldn't play a part in Andromeda but I think a Shepard VI in the game would be pretty cool. But I think it would be somewhat closed-minded if BioWare were to say that Shepard is gone forever. If Cerberus was able to resurrect pieces of meat and rebuild him in 2185 why couldn't it be done in the future?

[The Arbiter]

Do most of you really think Shepard will be in ME:A?

Mass Effect: Andromeda "can be good" even without the original trilogy's main character, director says.

http://www.cnet.com/...bout-andromeda/

Sure am. That's why I'll be waiting for game reviews both on news source and gamers themselves and decide if it is "worth it" 

[The Arbiter]

It's not the lack of Shepard that I have my worries about this game being good. 

yep the Milkyway. I created countless threads and polls about it months ago good to see people are realizing that they are dumping an entire Galaxy built on "HISTORY" and previous narrative just to freaking keep the series alive... it does not make sense heck even the Bioshock Series made more sense.

 

Next thing we know we get Mass Effect in Bikini Bottom

 

[The Night Haunter]

im pretty sure some people hated the starwars prequels before they saw it

 

and i dont blame them 

and i dont blame people for been negetive towards the new mass effect Because as it looks they are ignoring the trilogy 

so people do have a reason to feel mad.

That is completely false. I remember going to see Ep1 and everyone was expecting it to be amazing. I can't recall a single person who felt 'Oh, it isn't the originals its gonna suck!'. There were people who thought they wouldn't be as good as the originals, but they still thought EP1-3 would end up being good.

It was after jar-Jar binks that most of the backlash to EP 1 came, and even that was light. At the time (pre-Ep2) people still liked EP1 and were still looking forward to 2 and expecting it would be good. It wasn't until EP2 that people started to say 'the prequels all sucked', because it was after 2 that people realized the huge difference in direction between 4-6 and 1-3.

 

There were no forums filled with people complaining about EP1 before it came out. Pretty much every star wars fan was looking forward to it, those who weren't were a tiny (and not forum tiny, actually tiny) minority.

 

 

Now as to MEA: sure people can be skeptical, but I feel most people aren't skeptical because there is no more Shepard. I think most people are skeptical because the last 4 games Bioware's made have been weaker than the previous (pre-EA) efforts. BG was awesome sauce, Jade Empire was amazing, KotOR was my favorite bioware game of all time. DAO was started long before the EA purchase so that was only moderately effected by EA. ME2 and DA2 are the games with the most EA impact and it shows. Bioware has been getting better since then (there was some miracle and somehow EA realized that don't fix what isn't broken is actually a real thing), but ME3 and DAI had many controversial design decisions (the ending and linearity of ME3 being the big ones there, and the 'Open World' being DAIs biggest failing) that make people nervous.

 

I personally am about 98% sure I will pre-order MEA because despite their flaws I still enjoy all the Bioware games. But people who are nervous have their reasons, and most of them are not Shepard related. Plenty of people who don't frequent these forums do have issues with no shep, but on these forums and on Reddit most of the concern is DAI.

[Helios969]

So I guess Shepard bashing is the "in" thing now.

[AlanC9]

Nah. We're not bashing her. We're just done with her.