It will be due to a scorched earth approach to avoid the return of AI's in any and every form, I would go as far as to assume that AI's will be 1000% illegal and punishable by death and not just the convicted party but also their entire family, their friends, and their known associates.
Is this Dune? Does the god-emperor approve?!
I always assumed that it was burned/removed from the chassis. And I doubt they had any synthflesh onboard
Yeah sodid I I assumed it burnt off when Vega crashed into the Cerberus Shuttle on Mars at the end of that opening level.
Isn't this the part where you're supposed to explain how an entirely nonsentient software program is an "intelligent being" by any reasonable definition? Moreover, you should explain the necessary connection between personhood and intelligence. Several nonsapient animals are smarter than young children, so I guess toddlers aren't people then? Or are Chimpanzees, Dolphins and Magpies also people?
You people almost sound like anti-abortion kooks with your ridiculous, unscientific definitions of "life".
I don't think anyone actively wants the Reapers to come back. I think a few people are sure they will, but I don't think any of them are happy about it. More resigned to it.
I'll go all Peter Singer here and pick the latter.
You still haven't provided your own definition. You do have one, right? This isn't just disconnected ranting?
I think in this instance the name kinda gives it away.
If you are aware of your own existence, of the fact you can die and are still able to self-sacrifice for the sake of somebody else, you are alive.
And like somebody else in this thread says : ENOUGH of the "all AI are evil" gimmicks. It makes all the SF story predictable! "They are robots, so they are evil. Period". It is one of the major racism in fantasy universe : the green, blue, pink, red and other rainbow colors are all against the grey. Dextro-amine life forms are as alien to the other races than a silicium-based one!
I actually really do want to see the Reapers again. Just because they're so awesome and there's a lot of stuff we haven't seen from them and about them. Also, if we'd be seeing Reapers again, I'd fully expect to learn a few things about them that go directly against some of the things we "learned" about them in ME3, and most notably the ending.
Not that I'm expecting to see them, but it would really be a game-changer for me, in the most positive sense. I can hardly imagine I'm the only one.
Well, I stand corrected.
That being said, I think that if anything, we found out too much about the Reapers. Part of what made them cool in the beginning was this air of mystery about them; where they came from, what they wanted. But when we learned the answer to those questions, they became more mundane.
^ I agree. As I've said about a million times before, one of the things I loved about the Forerunners from Halo was the mystery. Halo 4 (and now Halo 5) ruined that for me. Not knowing much about them made them awesome, IMO. The same goes for the Reapers in ME1 and ME2, they were so mysterious, I loved it. ME3 ruined that for me, revealed so much about them.
For MEA, I want to see a single Reaper corpse on a barren planet. We don't know why it's there, how it got there, how long ago it crashed - nothing. All we know is that it's there, and what are we going to do about it? That'd be awesome, if you ask me.
^Conversation starter: was Cortana a person?
I don't want to derail this topic, but I have not finished Halo 5 yet, I'm about halfway through. From what I know, Cortana is a copy or something of Dr. Halsey, Cortana's creator.
Now I'm going to abandon this thread incase someone decides to be an arsehole and throw Halo 5 spoilers around in here because they know I haven't finished it yet (this wouldn't be the first time something like that happened).
Reapers and Geth (and possibly Quarians) I could understand never being seen again, since they all could have been wiped out in ME3 depending on player choices.
AI might show up, that one's up in the air imo.
We'll probably see some VIs.
For MEA, I want to see a single Reaper corpse on a barren planet. We don't know why it's there, how it got there, how long ago it crashed - nothing. All we know is that it's there, and what are we going to do about it? That'd be awesome, if you ask me.
I wouldn't mind having that. Some how were able to recover a disc that gives all the infomation about the civilizations that have been harvested
Sadly, I won't be able to touch Halo 5 until I finally pick up an Xbox One. Just to be clear though, I was speaking in a more general sense: would we say that Cortana "died" at least in terms of Halo 4? Enough fans exploded on the internet to believe so.
If you are aware of your own existence, of the fact you can die and are still able to self-sacrifice for the sake of somebody else, you are alive.
Are you aware that your definition of life cuts out the vast majority of animal life on the planet? Most animals are not self-aware, that requires a level of intelligence that is not possible in most species.
From Wikipedia (it is just restating facts from more reliable sources for this):
Very few species have passed the MSR test. As of 2015, only the great apes (excluding gorillas), a single Asiatic elephant, dolphins and potentially other cetaceans, the Eurasian magpie, and some ants, have passed the MSR test. A wide range of species have been reported to fail the test including gorillas, several monkey species, giant pandas, sea lions, pigeons and dogs.
You are saying dogs are not alive.
I think in this instance the name kinda gives it away.
I would venture to say that if we were to create or encounter an A.I. that was intelligent, fully aware of it's own existence, and possessed free will, that AI would be entitled to more rights than a dog or other animal would.
Are you aware that your definition of life cuts out the vast majority of animal life on the planet? Most animals are not self-aware, that requires a level of intelligence that is not possible in most species.
From Wikipedia (it is just restating facts from more reliable sources for this):
Very few species have passed the MSR test. As of 2015, only the great apes (excluding gorillas), a single Asiatic elephant, dolphins and potentially other cetaceans, the Eurasian magpie, and some ants, have passed the MSR test. A wide range of species have been reported to fail the test including gorillas, several monkey species, giant pandas, sea lions, pigeons and dogs.
You are saying dogs are not alive.
They tried it on cats, but apparently the scientists ended up failing the MSR test somehow.
Are you aware that your definition of life cuts out the vast majority of animal life on the planet? Most animals are not self-aware, that requires a level of intelligence that is not possible in most species.
From Wikipedia (it is just restating facts from more reliable sources for this):
Very few species have passed the MSR test. As of 2015, only the great apes (excluding gorillas), a single Asiatic elephant, dolphins and potentially other cetaceans, the Eurasian magpie, and some ants, have passed the MSR test. A wide range of species have been reported to fail the test including gorillas, several monkey species, giant pandas, sea lions, pigeons and dogs.
You are saying dogs are not alive.
Are you aware that your definition of life cuts out the vast majority of animal life on the planet? Most animals are not self-aware, that requires a level of intelligence that is not possible in most species.
From Wikipedia (it is just restating facts from more reliable sources for this):
Very few species have passed the MSR test. As of 2015, only the great apes (excluding gorillas), a single Asiatic elephant, dolphins and potentially other cetaceans, the Eurasian magpie, and some ants, have passed the MSR test. A wide range of species have been reported to fail the test including gorillas, several monkey species, giant pandas, sea lions, pigeons and dogs.
You are saying dogs are not alive.
Sorry about that. I was thinking about "sentient life forms". Life is, for me, the ability to create successors that are NOT a copy of yourself : life need variety, accident, evolution. IA that reproduces themselves with copy/paste are not "alive" because they are only one same entity at several places.
The Geths pre-war resolution are not "alive" for me : they are more like computers with more ram when they are close for each other. Too bad we don't know the Geth point of view of "accident" after that : they search the perfection but we don't know if they create new generations of Geths or if it is still the same quantity of Geth programs still the Quarian Exode. Legion has learned that biological feeling is superior in synthetic analyse power in some works... like the calibration of giant spacegun.^^
Pre-war resolution, the Geths were an synthetic lifeform waiting to be alive : They can make things better but not create out of the blue. Too bad we don't have a long conversation with a Geth Prime after the resolution to know how they see the future of their own species.
Well, I stand corrected.
That being said, I think that if anything, we found out too much about the Reapers. Part of what made them cool in the beginning was this air of mystery about them; where they came from, what they wanted. But when we learned the answer to those questions, they became more mundane.
That's precisely the thing I'm referring to... I think some of things we "learned" are lies and misdirection and we still don't really know. So what I'm saying is, ---if--- we see them again, I expect the mystery to return.
That's precisely the thing I'm referring to... I think some of things we "learned" are lies and misdirection and we still don't really know. So what I'm saying is, ---if--- we see them again, I expect the mystery to return.
I don't think you get do-overs with this kind of thing. Once the magic's lost, it's lost.
I don't think you get do-overs with this kind of thing. Once the magic's lost, it's lost.
Not necessarily. The whole Reaper motivation story could have been cooked up to lure a certain protagonist into making certain choices."We helped them ascend..."
You know, without the Inquisition and that attitude the Empire would've fallen to chaos 10k years ago. I dunno if the complete genocide of the human race sounds good to you, but in the 40k universe the Inquisition and their scorched earth policies are what keep the empire going. Space Marines can only do so much, and without the Inquisition the Imperial Guard would be filled with traitors and cultists and warp-addled fools.
Well, with how the Imperium looks like, I don't really have any warm fuzzies toward it and its ideals.
The saying that the God Emperor is merely the "chaos god of order", has merit to it.
And with the way things are developing there, the humans are going to lose anyway, so...
I agree entirely, except the geth aren't people so I would only cease to have sympathy for the quarians if they suddenly all became robo hippies like those idiots trying to countermand the shutdown order in the geth propaganda video. Or Koris's dumb toaster loving arse, but I usually don't let poetic justice take its course and allow him to be killed by the toasters because I'm the better, more intelligent and understanding individual.
No, it's really retarded by modern standards. A dualistic product of a fundamentally flawed 17th century understanding of science that can be easily debunked, and usually is in philosophy 101 classes. It certainly doesn't apply to the mechanisms of the functions and subroutines of computer software programs anyway, of which the processes and outputs can be easily explained.
No, it is that simple. The consensus of modern science agrees with me. Only hack videogame writers who have read a little too much from other hack writers like Ray Kurzweil disagree.
You know, in the same way that you can break down synthetic sentience into code lines and subroutines and call it fake, you can break down human emotions and decision making process into a chemical soup and some electricity.
More so, it should be easy to "hack" a human brain and rewrite it as it is to do so to a computer, and indeed some experiments show how easy it is to alter a human's morals and decisions merely by applying a little bit of electricity to an area of the brain.
So in the end, what is the difference really? We are toasters as well, we are just made from different materials.
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