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[Tidus]

After my 13th Denerim victory I started thinking(always a bad thing).. We know our rag time "Army" is out numbered at least 3-1 and won't last long..This according to the dialog after the battle of the main gate-my name for the battle..  

 

My thoughts.. Did our Grays risk to much by rushing to defend Denerim under King Alistair  orders  that was pushed by Arl Eamon?   We know in the Darkspawn Chronicles game they win the battle. 

 

Should our Army rush to aid Denerim or hedge their bets and built a strong defense at Redcliff and sent  a messenger to Orlais requesting aid from the Grays there?  It took a two force march to reach Denerim and the city was already overwhelm by Darkspawn.

 

Yes,that's writing off a city full of people along with the Queen (why was she left behind?) but, IMHO there was larger things to worry about and one being our rag time Army wasn't well trained or equipped for a full out battle where the odds of winning was slim.. This was obvious at the open of the battle of the gate. The Darkspawn fell back after the AD flew over.. Did the AD tell them to follow him? My guess probably since they had no reason to withdrawal.

 

 

 

BTW..That was good strategy by the AD.. He sent a token force to Recliffe  to pinned down any forces there  while their main force swung toward Denerim.

[Dai Grepher]

That's just Oghren's estimation. And while they were outnumbered, most darkspawn there were n00bs that die in one hit (and several seconds of lag).

 

Is there anything in the game stating that the Queen stayed in Denerim?

 

I'm not sure the Archdemon planned that out strategically. It's possible that it divided its forces just for the sake of spreading the blight twice as quickly. Hitting both ends of Ferelden from the center of the Bannorn was rather simplistic. A better battle strategy would have been to keep the horde in one big cluster that just moves around and devastates one target at a time. It isn't like they would have to maintain control over blighted lands.

 

The darkspawn at the gate retreated because they were overwhelmed by the Warden's forces.

[BevH]

That's only IF Alistair and Anora marry. We aren't really told what Anora does in that scenario. To me it looked like the palace was faring alright. I would also assume there are many places she could have gone if the need arose. Also, I'm going to assume that there were also escape tunnels in the palace.

[thats1evildude]

It's Ferelden's only major city. We can't just let it burn.

[Mike3207]

None of the Wardens in Orlais were willing to come to Ferelden, save one. Almost all of them wrote Ferelden off as a  lost cause.

[Zachwalter]

Well to the original poster, there are several disadvantages to your plan, firstly, Darkspawn probably aren't very picky about what they eat, if they feel the need to eat at all, people do, and letting the Darkies cross hundreds of miles of land is a strategic blunder, particularly when the blight kills and corrupts whatever it touches, this would mean that all the land they (the Darkspawn) cross would forever lay fallow, also, countless villages would fall in the wake of the blight. This would make the Darkspawn army stronger, allowing them to make ghouls and broodmothers as they crossed the land. Secondly, as already mentioned the blight corrupts everything, so even if they (being the Wardens and the collected armies) did win there would be massive repercussions, mainly the miles of land that are completely dead and can't feed anything, also, the largest city in Ferelden would be destroyed completely, with almost no way to recover. Also, there was no guarantee that the Wardens of Orlais would come if called, they had attempted once, but were rebuffed, they might not have tried again, it was not because they "wrote Ferelden off" it was because Logain turned them away at the border. Finally, there was no indication that the soldiers were ill trained or equipped, the soldiers of Redcliffe in seem fairly well equipped, also, Denerim would have a decent standing army being the Capital. It's not a very well designed tactical plan to have your entire army stationed at a single point, wars aren't won defensibly a drawn-out siege would favor the Darkies, and a short, quick decisive battle would favor, and did favor, our heroes.  

[Tidus]

First thanks all for the replies.

 

The reason I think the Army is ill equipped is the way they look as they march by as they are leaving Redcliff. The only ones that look like they're marching to war is the dwarves since they was wearing heavy armor.. Riordan seems concern about the Army not lasting long.Even Sten was concerned. Had the Army been crushed at Denerim  Ferelden would have fell.

 

I don't know why but, I envision a battalion fighting a reinforced brigade and winning the battle..

[Dai Grepher]

I wish there had been numerous smaller battles leading up to Denerim. I think it would have been fun from a battle strategy perspective, and I think it would have been a good opportunity to feature more Loghain banter.

[sylvanaerie]

None of the Wardens in Orlais were willing to come to Ferelden, save one. Almost all of them wrote Ferelden off as a  lost cause.

Actually, Loghain's troops had them blocked at the borders for the majority of the game.  Riordan managed to slip in because he was one man, and from Highever so he was selected to do so.  By the time Loghain is dealt with, the Blight has nearly overrun Ferelden.  A message was sent after the second Landsmeet, but doubtless, by then, they did feel Ferelden was a lost cause.  If that's what you meant, then I apologize for assuming, but it's hard to tell tone from your post.  Your first sentence makes it seem like all but Riordan just stood around with cranial-rectomitis while Ferelden was in trouble.

[Aren]

Oghren is a drunkard,what is a 1, he see as a three.

In game evidence point out that there weren't so many darkspawn in this blight,because of what the Architect did,meaning awoke the archdemon before of the arrival of the main darkspawn horde to corrupt him.

No other companion make such a reference,Loghain who was wrong about the existence of the archdemon did underestimate the blight because there weren't so many darkspawn around,at best they were 10000 like Duncan said at Ostagar,no more,which is nothing compared to the millions controlled by Dumat.

[Aren]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

BTW..That was good strategy by the AD.. He sent a token force to Recliffe  to pinned down any forces there  while their main force swung toward Denerim.

No he was stupid he could have just mind controlling the entire horde without show himself and risk anything since the darkspawn horde can be easly replaced.

The mother strategies were by far more elaborate.

[Tidus]

Aren,I fully agree Oghren is a drunk,but,he is from the warrior class and has fought darkspawn before and Sten and Riordan sees the army not lasting long and there's  little chance of victory. That's the reason I feel the battle is more like a battalion against a reinforced brigade since that was the main hoard that numbered in the thousands-remember that view of the hoard in the deep trenches when the group saw the AD? Thanks to Loghain there was very little resistance as the hoard tore through Ferelden.

 

I have often wondered where the Mother was  during the blight.. Apparently she was watching from the side lines as the Architect thinned his numbers? After all the Mother fought against the Architect in DA:A.  

 

You do know all of your companions except Leliana   thinks you will not return from the AD fight? Scary thought knowing your friends thinks you have a one way ticket. Its the way they talk more then saying it directly.

[Mike3207]

Actually, Loghain's troops had them blocked at the borders for the majority of the game.  Riordan managed to slip in because he was one man, and from Highever so he was selected to do so.  By the time Loghain is dealt with, the Blight has nearly overrun Ferelden.  A message was sent after the second Landsmeet, but doubtless, by then, they did feel Ferelden was a lost cause.  If that's what you meant, then I apologize for assuming, but it's hard to tell tone from your post.  Your first sentence makes it seem like all but Riordan just stood around with cranial-rectomitis while Ferelden was in trouble.

I don't know what cranial-rectomitis is, so for all intents and purposes they could have.

 

I think Loghain closing the border and refusing to allow the troops in was an insult to the Orlesians and as such no Orlesian Wardens were going to be sent in, whether they were asked to later or not. I think most of the Orlesians Warden felt that Ferelden was a lost cause before Loghain closed the border, and that him doing that just reinforced the feeling to not go in. They weren't going to stop Riordan from going in, but any response from them was going to be limited at best.

[Tidus]

Mike3207, The Greys have are under  no fealty to king or country so, they can act on orders from the local commander or orders from the Commander of the Greys at Weisshaupt. Riordan could have been the messenger sent since he had first hand knowledge on how bad the situation is.

 

Would the Orlesian Wardens come? I suspect they would have in order to stop the blight in Ferelden instead of stopping it in Orlais. Orlais is West of Ferelden and more then likely be the next country to be invaded by the Darkspawn..

[Illegitimus]

Mike3207, The Greys have are under  no fealty to king or country so, they can act on orders from the local commander or orders from the Commander of the Greys at Weisshaupt. Riordan could have been the messenger sent since he had first hand knowledge on how bad the situation is.

 

Would the Orlesian Wardens come? I suspect they would have in order to stop the blight in Ferelden instead of stopping it in Orlais. Orlais is West of Ferelden and more then likely be the next country to be invaded by the Darkspawn..

 

Forcing their way in without the permission of the local government might do more harm than good.  Their numbers are limited and they could end up getting wiped out by the Ferelden military before they even got close to the darkspawn. 

[Mike3207]

Mike3207, The Greys have are under  no fealty to king or country so, they can act on orders from the local commander or orders from the Commander of the Greys at Weisshaupt. Riordan could have been the messenger sent since he had first hand knowledge on how bad the situation is.

 

Would the Orlesian Wardens come? I suspect they would have in order to stop the blight in Ferelden instead of stopping it in Orlais. Orlais is West of Ferelden and more then likely be the next country to be invaded by the Darkspawn..

None of the Orlesian Wardens would have been inclined to come-local commander or his troops-after Loghain closed the border and refused to let them in. After all, it's in Orlais best interest to let Ferelden be destroyed, so they could reoccupy it later much easier. After they beat the Archdemon, of course. 

[Illegitimus]

None of the Orlesian Wardens would have been inclined to come-local commander or his troops-after Loghain closed the border and refused to let them in. After all, it's in Orlais best interest to let Ferelden be destroyed, so they could reoccupy it later much easier. After they beat the Archdemon, of course. 

 

Not really.  Given what the blight does to land, Ferelden wouldn't be worth anything if they waited for the horde to cross the mountains.  

[Qis]

The question is, where are the Warden army exactly? They are not in one place, as we can see in cut scene they are at their place (Circle Tower, Brecilian Forest, Redcliff and Orzamar), they only formed near Denerim. If Darkspawn attack each place, the army cannot form...what i mean is the army is not formed at Redcliff, so rush to denerim is the safest way before Darkspawn attacking those places as they did in Redcliff

[Tidus]

Qis,This rag time Army isn't a  Army of Greys and the only experience Darkspawn fighters in the bunch is the PC warden group and the Dwarves. This "Army" is more like a Militia.

 

The "Army" formed at Redcliff and made a two day force march to Denerim.

[Qis]

The Human army maybe formed at Redclff and marched 2 days to Denerim, but the rest are not at Redcliff as i remember, maybe some but not all. Then why the cutscene showing they are all marching out from their places and not from Redcliff?

 

[Tidus]

Qis,If you notice-it was the third game before I paid attention to our "troops"- the column consisted of Humans, Dwarves and Dalish Elves and some humans wasn't wearing armor.

 

Maybe they had a rallying point near Denerim so any stragglers could catch up with the main column? I really hate that speech where King Alistair or Queen Anora says my warden the best.. Truth be told my warden never wanted to be a Grey but was conscripted by Duncan. At this point of the game he/she is fed up (for just reasons) and would rather take his/her father,Soris Leliana and Shianni to Orlais or Kirkwall. Even my Dalish warden is fed up and wants to take Leliana and Shianni and head North in search of his/her clan.

 

Yes,those are my thoughts when I play a city or Dalish elf. While I'm gathering forces to save Ferelden the Regent allows enslavement of elves... That's one of the main reasons why my warden kills Loghain.

[Qis]

I do have City Elf and Dalish Warden playthrough, what you are saying is a common sentiment, and yes this game is designed about 70% solving human problem and it is distasteful for a non-human Warden, especially an Elf Warden. But that make it interesting for it give a different mood for each races we play. I don't have any cannon Warden, so i don't have the problem to play it again and again with different characters.

[ThomasBlaine]

I always thought the fool's errand was to gather the army at Redcliffe. A huge waste of time and coordination to concentrate all of our forces as far away from the vulnerable capital as at all possible within Ferelden's borders. Brilliant.

[Aren]

Aren,I fully agree Oghren is a drunk,but,he is from the warrior class and has fought darkspawn before and Sten and Riordan sees the army not lasting long and there's little chance of victory. That's the reason I feel the battle is more like a battalion against a reinforced brigade since that was the main hoard that numbered in the thousands-remember that view of the hoard in the deep trenches when the group saw the AD? Thanks to Loghain there was very little resistance as the hoard tore through Ferelden.

I have often wondered where the Mother was during the blight.. Apparently she was watching from the side lines as the Architect thinned his numbers? After all the Mother fought against the Architect in DA:A.

You do know all of your companions except Leliana thinks you will not return from the AD fight? Scary thought knowing your friends thinks you have a one way ticket. Its the way they talk more then saying it directly.

Leliana is always positive this is way i love her she was right while the warden defeated the blight

[Aren]

I always thought the fool's errand was to gather the army at Redcliffe. A huge waste of time and coordination to concentrate all of our forces as far away from the vulnerable capital as at all possible within Ferelden's borders. Brilliant.

Yes one of the many Riordan's intelligent idea or simply the ideas of some writers who clearly wasn't so fond of tactics