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Let me know what you guys think! I know that this is already discussed but here's my rankings for the strongest companions. Some of them were too close to call and so I deemed them to be roughly equivalent in power. This is taking into account solely Lore and not gameplay. The closest IMO was the rogues, because all of them were very strong lore-wise. 

 

I made Merrill and Anders equivalent due to both having spirits/Blood Magic helping them. Wynne is weaker than Vivienne, and both are Grand Enchanters. I think that Morrigan is stronger than Merrill and Anders without spirits/Blood Magic but is made equal with spirits/Blood Magic. In fact I think Lore wise, Merrill is the only confirmed blood mage, and that gives her the edge. 

 

I also rank based on if that person had a base skill, like Oghren's Berserker, and adds an additional power up like a Grey Warden training/power. Alistair was ranked lower because he was just a novice Templar when he joined the Wardens. 

 

I couldn't decide who would win between Cole and Zevran, but it is clear that those 2 are the best assassins lore wise. Leliana and Varric come pretty close to archery, and if it wasn't for her bard skills I would have Leliana tied with Sebastian. Sera and Sebastian seem equal as of archery skill and the other rogues as well. Sigrun posed an interesting question but I think her main occupation as a Legionnaire + Warden was good but not good enough for her to compete with Varric/Leliana. Varric's edge is with Bianca's technological superiority while Leliana's edge is with her connections and skills as a bard. I also think being a Warden does not help as much with rogues than it does with Warriors due to strength being less of a factor. 

 

Mage Companions:

 

1. Solas (Fen'Harel)

2. Morrigan (Vast amounts of knowledge)

3. Vengeance Anders (Obviously the fusion of spirit and mage makes him unique. Also has Grey Warden blood.)

3. Merrill (Only Blood Mage in the series and has huge power potentially. Also wide knowledge of Dalish magic)  

4. Vivienne (First and then Grand Enchanter)

5. Wynne (More healing based rather than offensive based, or else would be like Vivienne or Anders)

5. Dorian (Very talented mage, but doesn't have anything extra)

5. Velanna (Talented Dalish First)

6. Bethany

7. Sketch

8. Finn

 

Warrior Companions:

 

1. Fenris (Ability to phase in and out is too much of an advantage)

2. Shale (Golem that is augmented with runic magic)

2. Cassandra (Seeker who took down dragons and saved the Divine)

3. Warden Oghren (Berserker with Grey Warden advantages)

3. Warden Loghain (Skilled War Veteran with Grey Warden advantages)

3. Thom Ranier (Won Grand Melee, Orlesian military training, and a pretty good champion)

3. Iron Bull (Very good combat veteran in Tevinter and the south)

4. Sten (He was lower than Iron Bull, and as Arishok still lost to Alistair)

4. Aveline (Guard captain and military training. Supercop.) 

4. Alistair (Novice Templar + Grey Warden advantage)

4. Justice (Grey Warden body with spirit abilities, but the undead factor makes him not as good as he could have been)

5. Runic Golem (Just a huge golem)

5. Carver 

6. Dog (Malbari War Dog)

6. Ariane (Dalish Hunter)

6. Brogan Dace (Warrior Caste)

7. Tug

7. Silas Corthwaite

 

Rogue Companions:

 

1. Zevran (Crow Assassin that potentially is the leader of the crows and/or evades all the crow assassins sent after him)

1. Cole (Spirit that can kill and be invisible to people)

2. Varric (Spymaster with a huge tech advantage crossbow)

2. Leliana (Spymaster with Bard skills)

3. Sera (Probably tied with Sebastian as the best archer)

3. Sebastian (Tied with Sera as the best archer)

3. Nathaniel Howe (Ferelden army training with Grey Warden abilities)

3. Sigrun (Legion of the Dead experience, Carta life, and Grey Warden blood gives her enough power to rise above her humble origins)

3. Isabella (The best duelist in the game lore wise)

4. Jerrik Dace


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Not including the DLC companions since we don't know all that much about them. Also, unless the characters have a significant role in DAI (like Morrigan and Leliana) I'm mostly talking about them when they were actually companions (so not a veteran Warden Alistair but Alistair as he was during DAO). 

 

Mages

 

1. Solas - pretty obvious choice. Even before he got his full strength back, his greater knowledge and experience would have given him a clear advantage over the other companions.

2. Morrigan - during her personal quest in DAO it's said that Flemythal raised her daughters to be as powerful as possible

3. Anders & Wynne - they get an edge over the others because their special circumstances make them much harder to kill (for example Anders shrugged off taking a sword straight through the chest)

4. Dorian - WoT2 reveals that he was a very gifted child, showing more talent for magic at 9 than boys 3 or 4 years older (this being in one of the most prestigious academies in Tevinter), he's also done a lot of magical research and his banters with Solas shows he knows a lot about magical techniques

5. Vivienne - one of the youngest First Enchanters ever made, "most disciplined mage in Orlais".

6. Merrill - blood magic is very powerful, but Merrill doesn't seem to be using the more powerful blood spells (like mind control)

7. Velanna - a Keeper's First

8. Bethany - clearly above average but not exceptional like most other companions

 

Warriors

 

1. Cassandra - she like single-handedly brought down 2 High Dragons when she was still a teenager. Also immune to possession and mind control and can set the lyrium in people's veins ablaze.

2. Shale - literally made of stone.

3. Sten & Iron Bull - they look about 8 feet tall, which is obviously an advantage. Bull kept Seheron in line for years when the other Qunari they sent lasted months, Sten can go on to become Arishok. 

4. Aveline - she has full chevalier training, almost everyone she's met comments on how strong she is.

5. Fenris - can phase through objects

6. Thom Rainier - won the Grand Melee as a young man. 

7. Oghren - once considered one of the Warrior Caste's best

8. Alistair & Carver - kind of in the same position as Bethany: they're both good to great but not exceptionally so (for example it's said that Alistair wasn't the best during the recruitment tourney that was held for Duncan).

9. Justice - kinda hard to say. I usually recruit him last to avoid the 'can't make Sigrun or Velanna go through the Joining' bug so I don't know him all that well.  

 

Edit: forgot Loghain. I'd probably put him after Oghren. He's better known as a great general than warrior. His experience would put him above the likes of Alistair and Carver. 

 

Rogues

1. Leliana - she's just really good. Even after a year of torture and experimentation she was still strong enough to strangle a guy with her thighs and take out half a dozen demons on her own. Also, she's apparently resistant to the Blight and potentially a lyrium spirit.

2. Cole - special Spirit abilities would give him an edge.

3. Isabela - Queen of the Eastern Seas, "pirate scourge of two coastlines, four nations and countless tavern floors" and one of the finest duelists alive. 

4. Sera - has a natural talent for archery

5. Sigrun - a casteless dwarf and part of the legion of the dead, if she wasn't good she'd have died a long time ago.

6. Zevran - trained by the Crows since he was a child, but his mission record doesn't exactly make him look ultra competent (fell through a window and got his boots stolen, target fell and broke her neck by accident, failed to kill the Warden).

7. Nathaniel Howe & Sebastian - Good archers, but not exceptional. By the time of DAI Nate is probably better because he's been a Warden for 10 years while Sebastian has been mostly dealing with politics. 

8. Varric - unlike all the other rogue companions, Varric doesn't exactly rely on his rogue-ish talents to survive. For him it's pretty much just a hobby. He describes himself as a businessman who occasionally shoots people. He probably wouldn't be anything special without Bianca. 


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Ignoring issues of age...

I would put Bull and Aveline higher than Blackwall, and Isabela higher than Sebastian (out of sheer tenacity if nothing else).

I'd also put Fenris more on Loghain and Oghren's level, as far as pure skill goes. The lyrium markings give him an edge against nearly every opponent but I don't think they're foolproof. I'd put Warden Carver on or near Blackwall's level. I'm thinking Cassandra should top the warrior list. And Zevran's a talented assassin, but much of his post-Origins activity seems to involve the power of persuasion as much as knifing people.

As mentioned above, Merrill doesn't seem to make use of the more horrifying aspects of blood magic, so I'd put her on Dorian's level. They have innate talent and a thirst for scholarship, but unless she starts mind controlling people or performing mass sacrifices I wouldn't put her so high on the list.

This is fun! The BSN definitely needs a battleground forum for versus threads. I'd be all over that.
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Cole should really be the highest ranking. He's an assassin with an otherworldly power over other people's perceptions. If probably rank Vivienne above Merrill as well. Vivi could probably dispel anything Merrill throws at her and use her KE spec to its fullest.
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Mages.

1-Solas
2-Anders
3-Wynne
4-Dorian
5-Morrigan (not to surprise, but she is a n00b on the family)
6-Vivienne
7-Velanna
8-Merrill
9-Bethany.

Warriors.

1-Shale
2-Fenris
3-Justice.
4-Cassandra.
5-Sten.
6-Aveline.
7-Rainier
8-Oghren
9-Iron Bull
10-Alistair.
11-Carver.

Rogues
1-Cole
2-Leliana
3-Sera
4-Sigurn
6-Zevran
7-Sebastian
8-Nathaniel.
9-Varric.

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Mages:

 

- Solas

- Wynne 

- Vivienne

- Anders

- Morrigan

- Merrill

- Velanna

- Bethany

 

Warriors:

 

- Shale

- Justice (being a magical warrior gives him an edge above the others)

- Iron Bull

- Aveline

- Blackwall

- Cassandra

- Fenris

- Loghain

- Sten

- Alistair

- Oghren

- Carver

 

Rogues:

 

- Leliana (the most seasoned veteran of them all)

- Cole

- Varric

- Sera

- Zevran

- Isabela

- Sigrun

- Sebastian

- Nathaniel



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Mage:

 

1. Solas

2. Morrigan

3. Anders/Vengeance (without Vengeance, Anders would be below Velanna) 

4. Vivienne

5. Dorian (he's a prodigy, and would be ranked higher when he shows more experience in DA4)

6. Wynne

7. Velanna

8. Merrill

9. Bethany

 

Rogues:

 

1. Cole

2. Isabella

3. Leliana 

4. Zevran 

5. Sigrun

6. Nathaniel

7. Sera

8. Varric (as stated earlier, being a rogue is just his hobby)

9. Sebastian

 

Warriors:

 

1. Arishok (the epitome of Qunari warfare)

2. Cassandra

3. Fenris

4. Loghain

5. Shale

6. Alistair

7. Iron Bull (to me, his strong point is his intelligence and his cunning, which is why he's part of the Ben Hassrath)

8. Oghren (one of the best in the warrior caste) 

9. Aveline

10. Rainier

11. Carver



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Mages:

Solas

Morrigan

Anders

Merrill

Vivienne

Wynne

Bethany

 

Warriors:

Shale

Cassandra

Iron Bull

Fenris

Aveline

Blackwall

Alistair

Oghren

Sten

Carver

 

Rogue:

Cole
Leliana

Zevran

Isabela

Sera

Sebastian

Varric



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1. Arishok (the epitome of Qunari warfare)

6. Alistair

 

:huh:

 

Wait, you mean Sten from dao?

If you do then messed up in this ranking because

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I have not the knowledge of all games to go through a full ranking, so I'll just critique one ranking I see from others.

 

For mages, I would have to put Dorian as Number 2 if not Number 1 over Solas.

 

The dude was needed by Alexis to figure out time travel, and then figured out how to undo time travel in about 2 minutes. If that doesn't qualify you as the top 2 for power rankings I'm not sure what does.



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I have not the knowledge of all games to go through a full ranking, so I'll just critique one ranking I see from others.

For mages, I would have to put Dorian as Number 2 if not Number 1 over Solas.

The dude was needed by Alexis to figure out time travel, and then figured out how to undo time travel in about 2 minutes. If that doesn't qualify you as the top 2 for power rankings I'm not sure what does.


Dorian's undoubtedly a great mage with a lot of natural talent, but he's not 'special' in the way some of the other companions are. If Wynne & Anders were just their regular selves I'd definitely put him above them, but they're both possessed by powerful spirits which gives them powers normal mages can't have.

Morrigan was raised by a millenia-old god-mage who wanted her to be as powerful a mage as possible and taught her very rare magic (shape shifting and dark ritual for example). She's also spent much of the last 10 years studying elven magic, and managed to get an eluvian working on her own in 2 years or less when the others we've seen try had to enlist the help of powerful demons only to have it backfire on them horribly (Merrill, Clan Virnehn).

DAI Solas is much weaker than he was, but he's still the guy who figured out how to
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My issue with Wynne is that it's true she's like Anders but her abilities are not offensive based. If it were, that would raise her above the others. But just like Isabella can't compete with Zevran or Cole lore wise, even though she's the best at a "fair fight", Wynne wouldn't be able to hold her own against Anders or Merrill with blood magic. 

 

And I know Merrill doesn't use Blood Magic to the fullest extent, but she could. 



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My issue with Wynne is that it's true she's like Anders but her abilities are not offensive based. If it were, that would raise her above the others. But just like Isabella can't compete with Zevran or Cole lore wise, even though she's the best at a "fair fight", Wynne wouldn't be able to hold her own against Anders or Merrill with blood magic.


If it's only based on their offensive abilities and not their overall power, wouldn't Anders rank a lot lower? He's primarily a healer, too. I don't see how he's different from Wynne since you can spec her with offensive spells as well. Or am I missing something?
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If it's only based on their offensive abilities and not their overall power, wouldn't Anders rank a lot lower? He's primarily a healer, too. I don't see how he's different from Wynne since you can spec her with offensive spells as well. Or am I missing something?

 

I base it on their overall power. But I think that offensive power weighs more than healing. I always viewed Anders' powers as equally offensive and defensive in terms of lore. He killed a bunch of templars in DAII by himself along with Vengeance. Wynne in the story mainly uses her powers to heal, whereas Anders' abilities in the lore have him doing both. But you are right that Wynne does have offensive powers, it's just that the spirit possessing her seems to augment her healing ones and Vengeance seems to augment both. 



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1. Cassandra - she like single-handedly brought down 2 High Dragons when she was still a teenager. Also immune to possession and mind control and can set the lyrium in people's veins ablaze.

 

Not sure they were meant to be high dragons. The creature in the blood ritual was a drake in that setting, and it was just as large.

 

Not saying it isn't powerful though. Just confused on the show.



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I'll just do top three from each class :) And consider each listed to be at his or her peak, e.g. Zevran once he's assassinated half the Crows and taken over the organization.

 

Warriors: Cass (for reasons listed above), Fenris (I hesitate to place him so high because he's a tiny elven guy and his skills are instinctive, not trained, as he tells Aveline when she asks him to train her guards, but his abilities are off the charts), Shale (she's a frigging golem)

 

Mages: Solas (this is hard to argue with), Anders (technically Janders), Morrigan (knowledge and a loose moral compass really open doors)

 

Rogues: Cole (he's a spirit and personally the most lethal rogue character I've ever recalled having in a party from a gaming standpoint), Zevran (stated above), Leliana/Varric (I can't decide because both are wicked intelligent and have years of experience under their belt)

 

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Not sure they were meant to be high dragons. The creature in the blood ritual was a drake in that setting, and it was just as large.

 

Not saying it isn't powerful though. Just confused on the show.

 

Well it couldn't have been drakes because those can't fly. Dragons at the very least then, though they definitely looked much larger than those we saw in-game.  


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There is potential/ talent and then there is skill / determination. Like I am sure Izzy for instance may be a very talented rogue but she is generally very mercenary and may not always "try" hard and rather just go sailing.

Now Cole may have also really high potential but his nature whether spirit or human will hold him somewhat back from being a stone cold killer.

Solas looks like he has that aspect too even if he is talented like no other. Morrigan not so much even if she does not not have the shear power of solas makes a lot of that up with determination and persistence.

Leliana also scores really high in that category although her base talent and abilities may be inferior to Cole's.

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I base it on their overall power. But I think that offensive power weighs more than healing. I always viewed Anders' powers as equally offensive and defensive in terms of lore. He killed a bunch of templars in DAII by himself along with Vengeance. Wynne in the story mainly uses her powers to heal, whereas Anders' abilities in the lore have him doing both. But you are right that Wynne does have offensive powers, it's just that the spirit possessing her seems to augment her healing ones and Vengeance seems to augment both.


Huh. I don't know... which Templars are you referring to? I know Hawke helped him kill a bunch with that whole Karl incident, but I don't think the Chantry explosion counts in this instance. Or are you referring to the fiasco with Ella and Alrik? Sorry, my mind's all muddled this morning.

Maybe his friendship/rivalry ability tree makes a difference, since you're referring to it as Vengeance?

There is potential/ talent and then there is skill / determination. Like I am sure Izzy for instance may be a very talented rogue but she is generally very mercenary and may not always "try" hard and rather just go sailing.
Now Cole may have also really high potential but his nature whether spirit or human will hold him somewhat back from being a stone cold killer.
Solas looks like he has that aspect too even if he is talented like no other. Morrigan not so much even if she does not not have the shear power of solas makes a lot of that up with determination and persistence.
Leliana also scores really high in that category although her base talent and abilities may be inferior to Cole's.


Maybe we need separate in-character rankings and bloodlusted rankings. :P

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Huh. I don't know... which Templars are you referring to? I know Hawke helped him kill a bunch with that whole Karl incident, but I don't think the Chantry explosion counts in this instance. Or are you referring to the fiasco with Ella and Alrik? Sorry, my mind's all muddled this morning.

Maybe his friendship/rivalry ability tree makes a difference, since you're referring to it as Vengeance?


Maybe we need separate in-character rankings and bloodlusted rankings. :P

 

Anders mentions it during game I believe. It's also confirmed in the Dragon Age wikia that he killed templars by himself with Vengeance. I don't base any rankings on gameplay elements. Justice was corrupted into Vengeance during DAII. 



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Huh. I don't know... which Templars are you referring to? I know Hawke helped him kill a bunch with that whole Karl incident, but I don't think the Chantry explosion counts in this instance. Or are you referring to the fiasco with Ella and Alrik? Sorry, my mind's all muddled this morning.

Maybe his friendship/rivalry ability tree makes a difference, since you're referring to it as Vengeance?


Maybe we need separate in-character rankings and bloodlusted rankings. :P


There's a short story that was written prior to DA2 release dealing with how Anders and Justice merged. Some of it doesn't make a lot of sense: ie there's a former templar turned Warden that says the Order sent him to watch and wait for Anders to step out of line, and the Wardens allowed it. Which makes no sense in that his commander would still be either the WC or the HoF, and I don't see them agreeing to this. And, like the Wardens give a damn especially since they're sanctioned to take whatever measure necessary to stop a Blight.

Personal opinion is the Templar was lying his ass off, but I don't know.

As for ranks.

Mages

Solas
Morrigan
Anders/Justice
Dorian (probably the best educated mage of the bunch, outside of the top two)
Wynne and Vivienne tie
Merrill, Velena, and Bethany tie

The last because two are keeper trained and the third can go to the Grey Wardens. Need a fast learning curve and a lot of power.

Rogues

This one is actually hard because at least two of the rogues have or potentially have) power in lore that doesn't translate well to a character sheet. Varric and potentially Sebastian have huge reach. The former I think is self explanatory :). The latter can trade on the family name somewhat and if he becomes prince, that's a huge boost in power that has nothing to do with stats.

And Leliana is pretty much a class by herself. With all that in mind:

Cole
Isabela
Zevran
Sera

Warriors (noting here I'm not putting Shale in, because much like Leliana she's in a class by herself. Comparing her to squishy people just isn't fair the squishy people and insulting to Shale :)) Also Alistair potentially has a lot of power as well in lore which just doesn't show up on a sheet.

Cassandra
Sten
Fenris
Aveline, Loghain and Thom (tie due to all of them being extremely competent soldiers who inspire loyalty in their subordinates)
Iron Bull
Oghren (considering he's drunk most of the time, he loses out to Bull)
Alistar (as just the DAO companion)
Carver

As an Honorable mention I'll say since Cullen fights besides the IQ twice and Hawke once, he gets just above Aveline and co. Reason: he's been off Lyrium for months and is still functional. Lyrium withdrawal sets in quickly so the fact he's not delusional and is just getting headaches says a hell of a lot about his willpower. Plus ten years with the templars, survived being tortured. And according to WoT is damn good with a sword. So Honorable mention.

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I think Shale is strong, but I do think that her rock body doesn't offer her that much of an advantage as people here think. I see it as her runic magic along with her rock body and her skills. In the game you kill so many golems that it doesn't make sense to think that a rock body offers that much advantage. I put her high on the list because I think that the magic that holds her together is what gives her the advantages.