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Problem converting Elven calendar to Tevinter Calendar


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Hi, I'm having problem converting elven calendar to tevinter calendar and vice versa. 

I programmed a calendar converter, if you give the tevinter date it give you the elven date adding 6406, if you give the elven date it give you tevinter date subtracting 6406. To get this number I used the table on the wiki, that is this:

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Good,  the problem is that this work fine for 1, but for other date they are wrong of 1 year. At example if on my converter I give 1025 TE I get 7431FA when the table say I should get 7430 FA. On same way if I convert 7430 FA I get 1024 TE and not 1025 TE as the table say. So I would like to know if is the table wrong and uncoerent or if I'm doing some error. A reply from a developer would be pleased. Anyway thank in advance for help

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In The World of Thedas Vol. 1 (p.23) it says, "The Tevinter calendar starts at the date the Imperium was founded and the first Archon was crowned, marked as 0 TE. Past history is counted back with negative numbers, much like the Chantry calendar."

 

That chart is correct in that is how the developers have written the events into the lore, but there should be NO YEAR ZERO. Year 0 does not exist, and the Tevinter Imperium should not be said to have been founded in 0 TE. When the first Archon was crowned it would have been day 1 of year 1, NOT day 1 of year 0.

 

If you think of the Imperial calendar like our own Gregorian calendar, we went from 1 BC to 1 AD. Yes, there is a dividing line, but there is no year padding between 1 BC and 1 AD. So, technically, everything after that mark on the chart is wrong by 1 year. For comparison, right next to it you have the FA calendar that starts at year 1, which is as it should be.

 

However, if both calendars had a year 0 built into them there would be no conversion issues, so therein lies your problem. The program you wrote is working correctly and computing the correct value as it should be, and would be, were this real life. But unfortunately this is a bit of a developer error, so you can't have a completely accurate conversion unless you account for the 1 year discrepancy in any year after -1 TE by writing in a further thing that subtracts a year to every value higher than -1, and the reverse (add a year) when converting in the opposite direction.

 

To further add to the problems, the Andrastian calendar is also borked in that all of the ages are not a full century. We start at year 1 (1:1 Divine) and then in year 99 the events of that year decide on the name for the following age, and then we start again with 1 (2:1 Glory), and so on for all of the ages we've had thus far.

 

 

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I will add that in a fictional setting that it would be acceptable for a writer or world builder to include a year 0 and have that listed in their fictional calendar. However, because Thedas historically has several calendars and cultures, I don't think this was a wise choice. Additionally, it is also an odd one when you consider that Tevinter borrows heavily from Ancient Rome and neither of their main calendars had a year 0. So I'm not quite sure why the developers would have it this way when pretty much everything would suggest otherwise.


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To further add to the problems, the Andrastian calendar is also borked in that all of the ages are not a full century. We start at year 1 (1:1 Divine) and then in year 99 the events of that year decide on the name for the following age, and then we start again with 1 (2:1 Glory), and so on for all of the ages we've had thus far.

 

The timeline found in the World of Thedas Vol. 1 lists 3 events happening in year 0: 3:00 Towers (Flemeth is said to be born in the Fereldan village of Highever), 4:00 Black (Werewolves, long present in Fereldan lore, are said to reappear, assuming the appearance of regular people) and 9:00 Dragon (King Maric succeeds in driving out the Orlesian occupying force). The erratum in WoT 2 doesn't bring those dates up, and 3 instances seem a bit much for an oversight so maybe the Divine Age is the only one that starts at year 1 ? That'd be pretty confusing.   



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^ Ugh... that makes it even worse than I thought.