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[Ariella]

Technically, KOTOR2 was like that. The romances were very subdued and mild. Of course, that wasn't developed by Bioware, but still.

Actually, IIRC Chris Avellone was on record as hating romances, and both KotOR 2 and NWN2 OC reflect this. Only because the fans smacked them did they add romances in Mask, which were pretty damn good. Except for that angelesque girl, but I loathed her character in general.

Clearly you are too immature to understand intellectually and emotionally deep content like Ashley's hamfisted Tennyson recital or Garrus's boasts about his Reach and Flexibility.

Wow... not everybody talks like they're in an Aaron Sorkin play, or in Shakespeare etc...

Tell me that every single conversation you've had with friends and loved ones has come off perfectly, where you've said the perfect thing or did the perfect thing?

Modifié par Ariella, 30 octobre 2015 - 10:14 .

[Loufi]

A story involving young and healthy people where nobody f**k ? In which world do you live, OP ?

[Chealec]

All you have to do is take your character to the brothel in the docks district, and have him or her sleep with a prostitute. Each prostitute gives a different buff, and no it's not like the inns where you can pick a buff. Here is a link to the Pillars wiki that concerns attributes and 'boosts', it lists each prostitue and the 'boons' or buffs they give your character after he or she sleeps with them. http://pillarsofeter...nd_skill_boosts

There are more than Triss and Yen in the Witcher 3, they are the important romances, but I'm not just talking about romance, the greatest relationship in the Witcher 3 is the father daughter love relationship between Ciri and Geralt.

 

 

I was quite fond of Geralt's slightly difficult buddy-movie relationship with Vernon Roche from TW2 personally; when I said "relationship" I should have said "romantic relationship" granted. There are all sorts of slightly convoluted, non-romatic relationships for Geralt in The Witcher series, from Princess Adda and Foltest, Vincent Meis to Emhyr var Emreis, not to mention Dandelion and Zoltan of course - most of them only sort of hint at the greater depth but they're still quite interesting for what you are shown.

[Ghaleon]

if you can't deal with romance content, you are probably too young to play this game (biologically and emotionally). The quality content is lost on you. Go play the 2D story in Halo or something.

Never said couldn't deal with it, it can be ignored if one chooses, not even against  them, but it must just be cause i am too young and can't handle it emotionally.
Couldn't be that i just disagree with how they have written them etc?  clearly it's entirely on me and my age, it's probably the same for any who criticize the romances we are all too young.
 

 

A story involving young and healthy people where nobody f**k ? In which world do you live, OP ?

I live on a  planet called  earth it's a nice planet not the  best but could be worse. Personally i prefer my home on Mars but they are currently remodeling the planet.

 

[Loufi]

Never said couldn't deal with it, it can be ignored if one chooses, not even against  them, but it must just be cause i am too young and can't handle it emotionally.
Couldn't be that i just disagree with how they have written them etc?  clearly it's entirely on me and my age, it's probably the same for any who criticize the romances we are all too young.
 

 

I live on a  planet called  earth it's a nice planet not the  best but could be worse. Personally i prefer my home on Mars but they are currently remodeling the planet.

 

I spent some time on this planet, noticed that people spending time together tend to fall in love and / or have sexual relations. I thought it was human nature, but maybe I was wrong.

 

Seriously, a game in which young and most likely attractive people (or at least in good shape due to their military training) spend hours and hours in the same spaceship without falling in love (or just having sex to relax after stressful missions  ) would look like one of the most unrealistic story I've ever seen. 

[RevilFox]

No, but I have wanted to see what Bioware could do if they made a game that was almost all romance content.

[Ahglock]

I spent some time on this planet, noticed that people spending time together tend to fall in love and / or have sexual relations. I thought it was human nature, but maybe I was wrong.

Seriously, a game in which young and most likely attractive people (or at least in good shape due to their military training) spend hours and hours in the same spaceship without falling in love (or just having sex to relax after stressful missions ) would look like one of the most unrealistic story I've ever seen.

Um or they don't. It's far from a stretch to not have a romantic relationship even be possible when you have 4 options. This bizarre obsession that all stories must have romances is by far more unrealistic. Plenty of stories in fiction and in life don't.

[LinksOcarina]

Um or they don't. It's far from a stretch to not have a romantic relationship even be possible when you have 4 options. This bizarre obsession that all stories must have romances is by far more unrealistic. Plenty of stories in fiction and in life don't.

 

I agree.

 

But the fans want it, so they get it. The conversation should end right there, the fans may be wrong but there you go, now its expected.

[straykat]

No, but I have wanted to see what Bioware could do if they made a game that was almost all romance content.

 

I hate to say this, but that might be an improvement over their typical plot formula. No excuse for ancient evil taking over the world (and ancient objects/rituals enabling you to save everyone).

[Keitaro57]

Looks like a Star Trek capitain way of life has done serious damages to the crew discipline in space opera stories...

[Seboist]

I'm all for having no sappy 'mances in this, i just want my femPC to hop from guy to guy as part of a game of musical penis.

[Chealec]

I'm all for having no sappy 'mances in this, i just want my femPC to hop from guy to guy as part of a game of musical penis.

 

I'm glad I didn't have a mouthful of coffee when I read that ... " and when the music stops, sit down"

[Ahglock]

I agree.

 

But the fans want it, so they get it. The conversation should end right there, the fans may be wrong but there you go, now its expected.

 

Totally. Personally I'm sick of them so I'll likely avoid it in MEA if possible, assuming I feel the same a year from now.  But enough people want them that they probably should put them in.

 

I wonder if "the Fans" really want it though, as in bioware forums are a fairly small demographic. The "fans" were RPG gamers and wanted RPG stuff and not a shooter, yet it looks like it worked out to me, as the fans aren't the martket or at least the forum fans aren't the market. I kind of wonder what the mass market fan wants.

[Loufi]

Um or they don't. It's far from a stretch to not have a romantic relationship even be possible when you have 4 options. This bizarre obsession that all stories must have romances is by far more unrealistic. Plenty of stories in fiction and in life don't.

With conditions comparable to the ones which will likely prevail in ME: A ? I doubt it...  

 

Mass Effect targets an audience of young adults, for whom finding love and / or sexual partners is one of the main concern. Romances in video games also help to "soften" a little the main background, which often features a dark context and violent actions. They put some smiles in stories that could be otherwise too cold and serious, and "humanize" a little the main protagonist, often presented as a "hero". Seeing that this hero can fall in love in situations where people could fall in love too help to identify with the protagonist. Hence whatever the support, when a story involves a good looking guy and a good looking girl, they end together around 9 times on 10. There's no "bizarre" obssession in that...

 

Romances have also the advantage of considerably increasing the replayability of a game. I've read more than once in the ME3 story section people saying that they were redoing a playthrough mainly to choose a different love interest... 

[KaiserShep]

Um or they don't. It's far from a stretch to not have a romantic relationship even be possible when you have 4 options. This bizarre obsession that all stories must have romances is by far more unrealistic. Plenty of stories in fiction and in life don't.

Well, that's why it's nice to be able to choose for your PC. But romance is fun and usually one of the few bright spots in the protagonist' otherwise miserable existence, so it's no surprise that people like it so much.

[straykat]

I wonder if "the Fans" really want it though, as in bioware forums are a fairly small demographic. The "fans" were RPG gamers and wanted RPG stuff and not a shooter, yet it looks like it worked out to me, as the fans aren't the martket or at least the forum fans aren't the market. I kind of wonder what the mass market fan wants.

 

It's a mix of all of it. The first attempts at branching out were for the Xbox. Not just the core RPG fans.

[GaroTD]

Removing romances WOULD help with one thing for sure. No token characters that are defined by their orientation. Ok, yeah I know this is possible to make interesting characters anyway but it is a little weird when BW team has to do something like:

"Do we have 2 characters of every orientation?". "No?" "Crap, quick, develop new one"

[KaiserShep]

Removing romances WOULD help with one thing for sure. No token characters that are defined by their orientation. Ok, yeah I know this is possible to make interesting characters anyway but it is a little weird when BW team has to do something like:

"Do we have 2 characters of every orientation?". "No?" "Crap, quick, develop new one"

 

Trouble with this argument is that it assumes to know how these characters are developed in the first place, and of course the dubiousness of determining whether or not a character is actually defined by their sexual orientation in the first place. In Inquisition, 2 of the available options were not even options when their characters were written initially. 

 

Of course, whether or not a character has romance content doesn't change whether or not that character's personal story involves their sexual orientation. Take Dorian. If Dorian was unavailable as a love interest entirely, he could still have the exact same character story and the exact same personal quest; the Inquisitor would simply not be able to pursue him, which is already the case if you roll a female character. But Dorian has so much to say on other things that it's not really a central focus anyway. 

 

Anyway, I think Mass Effect was always the more troublesome one when it came to romances, because of the way some of them were set up and how much some characters could lack otherwise. The worst offender is ME3 Ashley Williams. If you don't or can't romance her in ME3, she has almost nothing to say once she's back on the ship. At least Kaidan can have some meaningful dialogue, but Ashley has nothing. She's just there for M!Shep to hook up with.

[straykat]

 

Anyway, I think Mass Effect was always the more troublesome one when it came to romances, because of the way some of them were set up and how much some characters could lack otherwise. The worst offender is ME3 Ashley Williams. If you don't or can't romance her in ME3, she has almost nothing to say once she's back on the ship. At least Kaidan can have some meaningful dialogue, but Ashley has nothing. She's just there for M!Shep to hook up with.

 

She's got some thing going on with James at least. And there's a kind of grunt camraderie Shep can have with her that Kaidan doesn't exactly have.

 

But yeah, it is sort of sparse. It was going pretty well at Mars and the Hospital stuff though.

[Andres Hendrix]

Trouble with this argument is that it assumes to know how these characters are developed in the first place, and of course the dubiousness of determining whether or not a character is actually defined by their sexual orientation in the first place. In Inquisition, 2 of the available options were not even options when their characters were written initially. 

 

Of course, whether or not a character has romance content doesn't change whether or not that character's personal story involves their sexual orientation. Take Dorian. If Dorian was unavailable as a love interest entirely, he could still have the exact same character story and the exact same personal quest; the Inquisitor would simply not be able to pursue him, which is already the case if you roll a female character. But Dorian has so much to say on other things that it's not really a central focus anyway. 

 

Anyway, I think Mass Effect was always the more troublesome one when it came to romances, because of the way some of them were set up and how much some characters could lack otherwise. The worst offender is ME3 Ashley Williams. If you don't or can't romance her in ME3, she has almost nothing to say once she's back on the ship. At least Kaidan can have some meaningful dialogue, but Ashley has nothing. She's just there for M!Shep to hook up with.

The problem is catering, not sexuality defining character, I think it is silly for people to complain about sexuality in games 'because it defines the character too much!' Well does sexuality not have a hand in defining us real people, in real life? I think if we are being honest, we would be hard pressed to say no. I do think Bioware caters, DA:II was a prime example of that (when they made every character Bisexual) however, the catering has yet to take away from the narrative. So personally I don't really care about orientation catering, other than I think it is a bit silly.

[LinksOcarina]

Totally. Personally I'm sick of them so I'll likely avoid it in MEA if possible, assuming I feel the same a year from now.  But enough people want them that they probably should put them in.

 

I wonder if "the Fans" really want it though, as in bioware forums are a fairly small demographic. The "fans" were RPG gamers and wanted RPG stuff and not a shooter, yet it looks like it worked out to me, as the fans aren't the martket or at least the forum fans aren't the market. I kind of wonder what the mass market fan wants.

 

Truth of the matter fans don't know what they want, ever.  Doesn't matter if it's RPG fans, romance fans, or just BioWare fans. 

 

Minority or majority, its always guesswork.

[Ahglock]

Truth of the matter fans don't know what they want, ever. Doesn't matter if it's RPG fans, romance fans, or just BioWare fans.

Minority or majority, its always guesswork.

I don't think I agree. I think fans usually have a good idea of what they want and don't want. I just think they don't articulate it in enough details for developers to understand.

[Lady Artifice]

Removing romances WOULD help with one thing for sure. No token characters that are defined by their orientation. Ok, yeah I know this is possible to make interesting characters anyway but it is a little weird when BW team has to do something like:

"Do we have 2 characters of every orientation?". "No?" "Crap, quick, develop new one"

 

Or maybe the Devs are telling the truth when they say that the character is written before their romance arc is, and this oft repeated perception that their sexuality defines them entirely is a total fantasy. 

[Lady Artifice]

I don't think I agree. I think fans usually have a good idea of what they want and don't want. I just think they don't articulate it in enough details for developers to understand.

 

Agreed. I see many more posters express keyboard pounding rage over the aspects they hate than I see constructive feedback about what they want. 

[Quarian Master Race]

Wow... not everybody talks like they're in an Aaron Sorkin play, or in Shakespeare etc...

Tell me that every single conversation you've had with friends and loved ones has come off perfectly, where you've said the perfect thing or did the perfect thing?

well too bad for them, but I have Claudia Black's voice so I always speak in a forthright and imperious manner.



Please, have you heard my dialouge in game?