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[Cantina]

I just completed Trespasser (the first time does not count since I was half asleep).

 

So, Solas and my Quizzy had a conversation. Solas reveals his goal is tear down the Veil. Um. OK. That is bad. I am not fond of being demon food.

 

But then a light bulb went off in my head.

 

From the start of the main story to the end of it, you can run around and activate these Elven Orb things. Which Solas says will strengthen the Veil and prevent tears from happening.

 

 

Why would Solas want to strengthen the Veil if he is just going to tear the damn thing down?

 

That's like ..I dunno... putting more nails in a door then later just taking the door down.

 

It got me thinking:

 

A. Mr. Dread Wolf was tricking the Quizzy to activate them and they do something else.

 

Or.

 

B. Well OK. its late and I got no option for B.

 

 

Did I miss something?

 

[Ghaleon]

I  actually  wondered  that myself and was thinking we might get a  reveal in  tresspasser, which we  didn't. Unless i missed  it  also?lol

[RenAdaar]

I think he was just lying im not entirely sure though I don't have that trespasser yet 

[thats1evildude]

Option C: The devices are totally irrelevant to Solas' plans. They won't prevent him tearing down the Veil. He just wanted you to activate them to prevent further Rifts from opening, as they were harmful to both mortals and spirits.

[Homeboundcrib]

I didn't think he was lying to me he wanted to help in all, and I'm guessing he wouldn't have to worry when he's at half or full power. So it probably wouldn't worry him that much if some were activated, we see how powerful he is in trespasser. I think he didn't want demons unleashed upon civilians and wanted to protect the spirts, he loves them lol.

Though there could be something way more to them never know, we may learn more about them in the next game. Hopefully we do it would be good know.

[Serza]

Option C: The devices are totally irrelevant to Solas' plans. They won't prevent him tearing down the Veil. He just wanted you to activate them to prevent further Rifts from opening, as they were harmful to both mortals and spirits.

 

This. It's likely the orbs actually DO strenghten the Veil, and Solas wants them active because his plan of tearing it down involves a bit more... finesse. That won't harm Spirits, or Ancient Elvhen. Meanwhile, Cory's technique is 1/10 on any sane scoreboard.

[sonoko]

As far as I remember, it was mentioned in game that these artifacts not only strengthen the Veil (which is clearly a lie - if they are truly ancient, from Arlathan, then the Veil didn't exist back then), but draw away demons as well. So I think their true purpose - scaring away demons and perhaps preventing spirits from being corrupted.

[nOrio_26]

I still think his true plan is not tearing down the veil, he never tell you the truth in the whole game.   

[Gervaise]

I think his main purpose was to protect the spirits who were being pulled through against their will and being turned into demons.    However, it may also be that for his plan to work he needs to drop the Veil in one go, not fragmented.   With tears all over the place, this would not be possible.    Nevertheless, it does beg the question, if they strengthened the Veil, who turned them off?    May be he originally put them in place and used them as some sort of link to Skyhold where he took the final fateful action of raising the Veil, after which they deactivated having been drained of strength.    Now he is using them to hold the Veil together until he takes a similar action down the line.

[Ieldra]

Option D: Someone among the developers messed this up. Whoever designed this "strengthening the Veil" quest and made up those artifacts was unaware of the bigger picture, or that bigger picture hadn't been finalized at the time.

 

Of course, they'll retcon it into something else (either it was irrelevant or Solas lied) but it looks very much like "lack of thorough lore integration and advance planning" to me. *This* plot could reasonably find a strengthening of the Veil advantageous, and Solas is the one who knows about such things, so he was made to carry it. No thought went into how this would affect future plots because those weren't known at the time, by the one who designed this. That would also explain the oddity that these ancient elven artifacts, which come from a time where the Veil didn't exist, affect it nonetheless.

[Hydwn]

The quest is called "Measuring the Veil," if I recall correctly.  Eventually if you activate enough of them with Solas in the party, you get this:
 

You have activated a number of the elven artifacts used to detect the magical energies of the Veil. Individually, such readings have been helpful. If we can coordinate measurements of all the artifacts simultaneously, however, I believe we may be able to uncover rifts that may not even have opened yet.

 

 

It does nothing to prevent a big rift from forming in the Hinterlands, just notifies you of its existence.

 

Another question is why help the Inquisitor close rifts in the first place?  If you want to tear down a wall, why bother repairing it?  That's been debated elsewhere, and I don't have a good answer for it.

[Serza]

Because somebody used explosives to try and get through the wall, damaging everything on the other side, effectively making it bad.

 

Solas can remove the wall in a better way that doesn't destroy EVERYTHING. Just... majority.

 

He wants stuff fixed so he can then do it properly.

[Obsidian Gryphon]

Perhaps the intention to tear down the Veil wasn't there in the first place. Perhaps his original plan had been to regain his strength, learned what he could of the past when he had been asleep and try to make his original plan work (perhaps when he saw what the Dalish had evolved into, he lost heart, hence his reaction in the dialogue with the Inq after Well of Sorrows on the subject of failure. At least I chose the line that says about never giving up and he seems to be encouraged).

[Ieldra]

Perhaps the intention to tear down the Veil wasn't there in the first place. Perhaps his original plan had been to regain his strength, learned what he could of the past when he had been asleep and try to make his original plan work (perhaps when he saw what the Dalish had evolved into, he lost heart, hence his reaction in the dialogue with the Inq after Well of Sorrows on the subject of failure. At least I chose the line that says about never giving up and he seems to be encouraged).

He didn't plan to remove the Veil when he woke up, but at the time when he joined the Inquisition that plan was already in motion, as he tells us in Trespasser. Which makes this stuff about artifacts strengthening the Veil odd.

[Navasha]

I also believe that there is a difference between tears in the veil and the removal of the veil that Solas intends to do.   

 

The tears and rifts in the veil caused by the breech are not the way that brings about what Solas wants.    Those are like whirlpools sucking in spirits that get spit out into our world as demons.   Solas doesn't want demons roaming the world.   In fact its pretty much the last thing he wants.    He wants to drop the veil entirely so that the magic returns and the spirits are left unscathed.

 

Solas is also a thinker and planner.    I believer he regrets that he acted too rashly and quickly the last time and the creation of the veil basically destroyed the elves and the world as he sees it.   My guess is he will be a little more cautious this time around.   He wants to do it the right way and not just shred it to pieces and hope it all turns out alright after the fact.

[berelinde]

The elven artifacts might be more like citronella candles for demons, repelling them from places where the veil is naturally weak. Or they might work like a blur tool, averaging out the veil thickness so that there aren't as many thin spots (or as many really thick spots, I guess), but not affecting the overall strength of the veil overall. 

 

The second possibility I mention raises a point. If there are places where the veil is naturally thin, it stands to reason that there must be places where the veil is naturally thick. Are there dead spots? Places where magic doesn't function at all because the veil is too thick?

 

Edit: But my guess is that it's a gimmick, just a random thing the writers threw in to give you an easy way to gain small bursts of approval, like Sera's stashes and killing darkspawn with Blackwall.

[Realmzmaster]

The artifacts could have a dual function. One function is can strengthen the veil and the other function can weaken or destroy parts of the veil. Once the artifacts are activated Solas may be able to control them with his magic.

 

Or another notion is that by activating the artifacts the Inquisitor help Solas regain power. The artifacts could have a third function which gathers magical energy and sends that energy to the orb which is the reason the orb kept gathering power while Solas slept.

 

Once the orb was at full power the artifacts deactivated rather than overcharging the orb. Solas could be tapping into the power the artifacts gathered. He needed the power to override control of the Eluvians for Briala.

[vertigomez]

Option C: The devices are totally irrelevant to Solas' plans. They won't prevent him tearing down the Veil. He just wanted you to activate them to prevent further Rifts from opening, as they were harmful to both mortals and spirits.

I figure it's either this, or he was lying and was using you to further his plans. There's no telling with that guy.

[Dai Grepher]

There was one in the Darvaarad being researched. So I think they probably do strengthen the Veil. Solas will obviously deactivate them, or they will become useless if the Veil drops. He probably used them to help establish the Veil in their respective areas the first time around. That's probably where they come from.

[SunburnedPenguin]

I don't think he intended to tear down the veil until he took Mythals soul, who is hell bent on vengeance.

[Cobra's_back]

As far as I remember, it was mentioned in game that these artifacts not only strengthen the Veil (which is clearly a lie - if they are truly ancient, from Arlathan, then the Veil didn't exist back then), but draw away demons as well. So I think their true purpose - scaring away demons and perhaps preventing spirits from being corrupted.

This. I don't think it was about strengthening the veil. He likes spirits, and it could be for preventing demons.

[Cobra's_back]

The artifacts could have a dual function. One function is can strengthen the veil and the other function can weaken or destroy parts of the veil. Once the artifacts are activated Solas may be able to control them with his magic.

 

Or another notion is that by activating the artifacts the Inquisitor help Solas regain power. The artifacts could have a third function which gathers magical energy and sends that energy to the orb which is the reason the orb kept gathering power while Solas slept.

 

Once the orb was at full power the artifacts deactivated rather than overcharging the orb. Solas could be tapping into the power the artifacts gathered. He needed the power to override control of the Eluvians for Briala.

I like this programmable orbs. 

[Cobra's_back]

I don't think he intended to tear down the veil until he took Mythals soul, who is hell bent on vengeance.

No. He tells you he planned it, and that is why he gave the orb to Cory.

[Ariella]

He didn't plan to remove the Veil when he woke up, but at the time when he joined the Inquisition that plan was already in motion, as he tells us in Trespasser. Which makes this stuff about artifacts strengthening the Veil odd.

At the time he still thought it was possible to get the Orb back, which probably was foremost in his thinking. What he was going to do about the Inquisitor once he had the Orb, I have no clue, but it's most likely that with the Orb and his own knowledge (which Cory didn't have) would have made whatever contribution the artifacts made to stabilizing the Veil moot.

My thinking is that these things were a fail safe system. Crafted to monitor and stabilize the Veil (since we know it can tear naturally) while he was playing Sleeping Beauty. But any system can be overwhelmed, and it's possibly they'd either shut down on their own, or more likely, the Breach overloaded them and they shut down.

[AresKeith]

I figure it's either this, or he was lying and was using you to further his plans. There's no telling with that guy.

 

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