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[Frenetic Pony]

A cackling, evil, world ending demon that cackles and then you stab it and it dies and everyone's happy.

 

That's been the main "story" of two Dragon Age games so far, first the Archdemon and the blight, then Corypheus and his red lyrium. This is not an interesting story. The characters and events around the story are interesting, Teryn Loghain, Morrigan, Felix and his father. So why is so much of Dragon Age's main plot often concerned with chasing after magical Mcguffins/other things being sought by characterless evildoers?

 

Time, perhaps, to do away with something as simple as a "The world will end" plot carried out by an evil thing of no interest. Certainly there seems the possibility, already established, that DA4 will concentrate on a war of some kind between the Qunari and Tevinter. Well here's to there being no end of the world this time (no need to go Men in Black and imply the world will end every week) and an antagonist, or antagonists even, that have more personality and character beyond killing things.

[BansheeOwnage]

You've been paying attention, right? Solas isn't that kind of villain. Well, unless they mess up. But he's currently very interesting, his motivations aren't so simple, and he is somewhat conflicted.

[thats1evildude]

I don't have an issue with Corypheus as a villain, aside from the fact that the end battle is a bit of a letdown. (That's hardly unique to Dragon Age Inquisition, though.) The nice thing about a plainly evil antagonist is that defeating him is a clear goal to work towards. Corypheus' plan will not benefit anyone; either he succeeds and becomes a god or he fails and unleashes worse disaster on Thedas.

 

I know that some players, including Yahtzee from Zero Punctuation, felt that Dragon Age 2 lacked direction because it wasn't clear what you were supposed to be doing. I knew I would eventually be taking down Meredith — there are hints foreshadowing her as the main antagonist throughout the game — but the story makes as many arguments in her favour as it does against.

[ottffsse]

I agree with banshee. It could work this time around if they paint an interesting enough picture of the possible world solas is trying to restore, and it's grey areas so to speak. Because that little glimpse at Redcliffe the Quizzy got in hushed whispers was a generic evil doers very stupid nightmare scenario and came more as a chaotic stupid mess (what Dorian said) rather something truelly nightmarish evil, which is usually should not be so easy to externalize and compartmentalize to an entity or force outside the protagonists own psyche.

[ottffsse]

On a side note maybe it's really not about any protagonist and their story but just about thedas lol.

[Darkly Tranquil]

I think this one will be Player (and friends) vs. Qunari vs. Solas (+ elves), so I doubt there will be a drooling hellbeast ravaging the lands. Then again, the dragon fights were pretty popular this time around, so they will probably put a few in just because they can.

[Hydwn]

They tried the "no end of the world" thing in DA2.  From the time it dropped until shortly before DAI was released, I was one of the few people defending it on these boards.  Most seemed to consider a failure because it was insufficiently epic.

 

Also, if you play the Templars route in DAI, you get to read Corypheus's journals.  He's not a "drooling hellbeast."  He's actually complicated, conflicted, interesting, capable of guilt and regret and spiritual pain.  

 

The Archdemon fits that mould more, but read enough codex entries and you find out that Urthmiel was the most sympathetic of the old gods, a deity of festivals and art and beauty.  They could have made us fight the more obviously evil Archdemon of Slaves or something, but they wanted a hint of tragedy even in that - though admittedly that takes a bit of research.

 

I'm looking forward to Solas and possibly Sten as villains.  Both of those we know, they come pre-three-dimensionalized, so they make good villains.  Both are capable of regret and remorse - and eliciting sympathy.

 

But I guess the real question we're asking here is if we want another Warden/Inquisitor, blessed and cursed with powers and a destiny to save the world?  Or do we want another Hawke, and ordinary joe who just happens to be there and probably won't save anything other than their friends?

 

I'd be fine with the latter, but it would be hard to do that in a Tevinter setting.  The Tevinters have three upper classes devoted to the human mage class alone, then human warriors and rogues below that.  Qunari are likely attacked on sight, and the Tevinters basically see elves as magic-powering batteries that can be occasionally made to serve you dinner.  Only dwarves can get friendly treatment in the Imperium as outsiders (provided they bring the lyrium). 

 

Unless there's some remarkable explanation for why we're the hero here, it will be a very boring character creator.  The good money is on getting some special power and a destiny to go with it.  

 

The only other options would have to be someone from the outside - but why them and not someone else, which brings us back to special powers - or an anti-Inquisitor who's a criminal and outcast of society rather than the centre of a legitimate institution. 

[Donk]

I don't recall anybody cackling.

[kimgoold]

It seems likely that Dorian will be a large factor of the new DA, but because of Solas and his ability to stroll the fade observing people and learning their flaws etc , I am hoping to see our first Dwarven protagonist. A dwarf agent of the inquisition, because they are the only race not to dream and so the only individuals likely to outmanoeuvre Solas. The only other dreamless option would be a Tranquil which would also be interesting.

[Navasha]

I agree.   I could even see them putting off the Solas/Veil story until DA5 myself.    Solas is immortal after all.    He is in no particular rush just to get it done.    As a thoughtful intellectual antagonist it would be sort of out of character for him to do this in a blind rush.  

 

I think DA4 should focus directly on Tevinter/Qunari conflict and maybe the reforms in Tevinter itself.    A new land is going to have enough lore and information to absorb without trying to layer it up with multiple 'epic' storylines.  

[Heimdall]

I kind of expect Solas won't be the only ancient being at play in the midst of the Qunari invasion (Which I continue to hope will be more of a backdrop than the primary focus.  I don't want to choose a winner in that fight, it breaks my immersion)

 

My hope is that there will be a Tevinter cult that is in contact with an untainted Old God, as I hope to learn a lot more about the significance of Dragons in DA4, but I would hope that the cult would be neutral or possibly out to defend Tevinter, certainly not trying to destroy the world.  They would be against Solas.

 

I don't see another Corypheus or Archdemon coming out in DA4 however.

[AFA]

Didn't Bioware try this with that game (most?) people hated? Yeah, if it even resembles DA2, they won't use it, if DAI is anything to go by.

 

If BW apes the Witcher in DA4 as much as it did Skyrim in DAI, we may actually get lowered stakes and more moral ambiguity. 

[Dai Grepher]

The problem with Corypheus is not that he was cackling evil, it's that for all his bluster he turned out to be an incompetent scrub.

 

I don't really count the Archdemon as cackling evil. It was a corrupted consciousness in dragon form. It was more of a force of nature than anything else.

[Wulfram]

Well, Solas is world ending and very probably a demon of sorts. But he seems more inclined to chuckling than cackling.

[Cobra's_back]

Another DA2 would be a no go. Most players want to feel like they accomplished something. Hawk had no control, and everything happened to him/her. 

[Qun00]

Well, Solas is world ending and very probably a demon of sorts. But he seems more inclined to chuckling than cackling.

Hence Chuckles.

[AresKeith]

I kind of expect Solas won't be the only ancient being at play in the midst of the Qunari invasion (Which I continue to hope will be more of a backdrop than the primary focus.  I don't want to choose a winner in that fight, it breaks my immersion)

 

My hope is that there will be a Tevinter cult that is in contact with an untainted Old God, as I hope to learn a lot more about the significance of Dragons in DA4, but I would hope that the cult would be neutral or possibly out to defend Tevinter, certainly not trying to destroy the world.  They would be against Solas.

 

I don't see another Corypheus or Archdemon coming out in DA4 however.

 

I do except some kind of Tevinter antagonist along with Solas doing his thing

[AresKeith]

Didn't Bioware try this with that game (most?) people hated? Yeah, if it even resembles DA2, they won't use it, if DAI is anything to go by.

 

If BW apes the Witcher in DA4 as much as it did Skyrim in DAI, we may actually get lowered stakes and more moral ambiguity. 

 

Bioware stated they would like to try a "DA2" again

 

It can be a good thing if it gets proper development unlike DA2

[Nefla]

They tried the "no end of the world" thing in DA2.  From the time it dropped until shortly before DAI was released, I was one of the few people defending it on these boards.  Most seemed to consider a failure because it was insufficiently epic.

I don't think most people's problem with DA2 is that it wasn't "epic," that certainly wasn't my problem with it and I was disappointed that BioWare made that assumption and gave us another generic ancient evil guy to defeat in DA:I. My problem with DA2 was that the story was disjointed and didn't flow as a story. The three arcs didn't connect to each other and the events within the arcs just played out like random, unrelated events. I felt like an errand girl the whole game and then you had the ending with both Meredith and Orsino who before that were decently reasonable people just go crazy and turn into magical monsters. A small scale story can be done to great effect, but it still has to be an engaging story that the player/reader/viewer cares about. You have to be rooting for the protagonist to achieve their goal. It could be a small, Robin Hood-esque group trying to take down one corrupt arl of a small area, it could be people just trying to survive (TWD), it could even be about someone wanting to start their own bakery and make it successful and if the story is well written and the events connect and flow from one to the next then people will like it.

[Wulfram]

I think the big difficulty with not having a big bad evil guy trying to destroy the world is that you need something that will get a whole bunch of very different characters to want to engage with the plot, and the end of the world is a pretty universal motivator. DA2 too often felt like there wasn't much reason why Hawke should care.

Not to say that's an impossible problem, but Bioware should be aware of it.

[Heimdall]

I don't think most people's problem with DA2 is that it wasn't "epic," that certainly wasn't my problem with it and I was disappointed that BioWare made that assumption and gave us another generic ancient evil guy to defeat in DA:I. My problem with DA2 was that the story was disjointed and didn't flow as a story. The three arcs didn't connect to each other and the events within the arcs just played out like random, unrelated events. I felt like an errand girl the whole game and then you had the ending with both Meredith and Orsino who before that were decently reasonable people just go crazy and turn into magical monsters. A small scale story can be done to great effect, but it still has to be an engaging story that the player/reader/viewer cares about. You have to be rooting for the protagonist to achieve their goal. It could be a small, Robin Hood-esque group trying to take down one corrupt arl of a small area, it could be people just trying to survive (TWD), it could even be about someone wanting to start their own bakery and make it successful and if the story is well written and the events connect and flow from one to the next then people will like it.

Well, I do remember a great deal of people complaining that Hawke wasn't enough of a hero and that they wanted to save the world.

[Nefla]

Well, I do remember a great deal of people complaining that Hawke wasn't enough of a hero and that they wanted to save the world.

I don't remember people complaining that they couldn't save the world, but I do remember people complaining that Hawke lost constantly and was reactive rather than proactive. I believe this is the reason they made the inquisitor win constantly (another dramatic overcorrection) but I wish they'd just found a balance.

[Ariella]

Well, I do remember a great deal of people complaining that Hawke wasn't enough of a hero and that they wanted to save the world.

Pretty much this. Any number of people were upset that Hawke wasn't all powerful and that bad things happened anyway despite her best efforts.

I suspect if we'd gotten Exalted Marches, it could have been seen as a redemption story of a sort for Hawke. All those trials in Kirkwall might have been tempering in preperation to deal with the templar mage conflict, and I suspect something deeper, but not Cory. This is all just conjecture though.

[AFA]

Bioware stated they would like to try a "DA2" again

 

It can be a good thing if it gets proper development unlike DA2

 

Yeah, an average person trying to survive the fallout of the previous epic game would be pretty nice.

 

DA2 still has the best story of the three games IMO, intimate and personal are so much more powerful.

[Aren]

Solas isn't that kind of villain. 

Solas isn't a villain,he is a good guy who isn't understood.

(ehm i'm an altmer elf so i maybe biased)