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[actionhero112]

Recently I was screwing around in Perilous on my Ele. I'm a promotion scrub (less than 20 across the board), so I'm pretty dependent on my gear and situational awareness to see me through the difficulties above lolthreatening. 

 

I'm using the Scepter of Razikale, because I don't have the situational awareness to receive better staves. For those not aware the Scepter has a 5% chance to cast Fade Cloak on hit. I noticed through my situational awareness that whenever I was in Fade Cloak, I could not barrier myself. It also wiped Ice Armor. 

 

So I basically I was forced to switch staves. Lucky for me, through my situational awareness I recieved a Heart of Pride on the very next chest. 

 

Bug or working as intended? (the fade cloak part, my situational awareness is working as intended)

[TheLeakestWink]

That's correct, you cannot Barrier any player while they are Fade Cloaked, either yourself or allies. Likely intended, since you are, after all, in the Fade. That's definitely the Achilles Heel of Scepter of Razikale - it's still a very good staff, but you have to time your Barrier casting carefully when using it on Ele or Keeper. I wouldn't recommend it for the AW since you can't gain passive Barrier while faded either.

[Snakebite]

Barrier not hitting Fade Cloaked people is a known bug.  Most people consider that staff a troll weapon because of this bug.

 

Congrats on the Heart of Pride!  It will serve you and your situational awareness well. 

 

Ninja'd by Wink

The throwing blades make it even ninja-like!

[Beerfish]

It truly sucks in my opinion and is not a good bug/feature.  I've been playing the keeper a lot lately and not being able to barrier classes that cloak is a real handicap, especially when you come up against bosses in low cover areas where any hok items start to lose their effectiveness for the cloaking class.

[Wavebend]

I wouldn't recommend it for the AW since you can't gain passive Barrier while faded either.

 

Incorrect

[TheLeakestWink]

Ninja'd by Wink

The throwing blades make it even ninja-like!

 

My Hunter stealthed in behind you... 

[Ghost Of N7_SP3CTR3]

Working as intended™

[TheLeakestWink]

Incorrect

 

Not 100% of the time, true.

[ReadingRambo220]

Just use Heart of Pride and don't look back! It increases situational awareness by 50 % AND shocks nearby enemies.

[TheThirdRace]

Not 100% of the time, true.

Nope, you're wrong on every account.

Fade Shield is a passive, it doesn't target anything so it cannot miss. No effect whatsoever can nullify Fade Shield.

[TheLeakestWink]

Nope, you're wrong on every account.

Fade Shield is a passive, it doesn't target anything so it cannot miss. No effect whatsoever can nullify Fade Shield.

 

Based on my experience with the AW soon after getting Scepter of Razikale, I was pretty sure that Fade Shield would sometimes fail during Fade Cloak. I played the AW today with the Scepter again intending to capture a clip, but did not encounter this problem. I'm not sure what I was observing previously, perhaps that I was using CL or SF improperly and simply not gaining barrier as a result, and creating a false association with Fade Cloak. In any case, I stand corrected.

[ThatBruhYouDK]

Nope, you're wrong on every account.

Fade Shield is a passive, it doesn't target anything so it cannot miss. No effect whatsoever can nullify Fade Shield.

No, you are wrong. Scepter of Razakale will cause AW not to gain barrier from Fade Shield sometimes. I have had it often before.

[TheThirdRace]

Based on my experience with the AW soon after getting Scepter of Razikale, I was pretty sure that Fade Shield would sometimes fail during Fade Cloak. I played the AW today with the Scepter again intending to capture a clip, but did not encounter this problem. I'm not sure what I was observing previously, perhaps that I was using CL or SF improperly and simply not gaining barrier as a result, and creating a false association with Fade Cloak. In any case, I stand corrected.

There are a few things that could have affected your conclusion. I know Chain Lightning tends to target dead corpses which translate to 0 damage and thus no Barrier. If you're playing on NM, Lightning Immunity translate to 1 damage, 30% of that is gone too fast by the Barrier's natural decay to notice. There's also a possibility there was lag and you didn't get the Barrier instantly, but with a slight delay (I've seen Heal on Kill register after more than 6 seconds). Sometimes it's just timing, you hit something just before Fade Cloak expires, but also get hit 0.1 second after Fade Cloak expires which mean the UI doesn't have time to show the in-between state (or we're too slow to see it) and you only see a "net 0" instead.

[ThatBruhYouDK]

There are a few things that could have affected your conclusion. I know Chain Lightning tends to target dead corpses which translate to 0 damage and thus no Barrier. If you're playing on NM, Lightning Immunity translate to 1 damage, 30% of that is gone too fast by the Barrier's natural decay to notice. There's also a possibility there was lag and you didn't get the Barrier instantly, but with a slight delay (I've seen Heal on Kill register after more than 6 seconds). Sometimes it's just timing, you hit something just before Fade Cloak expires, but also get hit 0.1 second after Fade Cloak expires which mean the UI doesn't have time to show the in-between state (or we're too slow to see it) and you only see a "net 0" instead.

Even with dead bodies, with out Razakale, you will still get Barrier, it just doesn't show the damage given. It is really weird but it is right there with Reaver losing health from DR when hitting a freshly killed enemy

[TheThirdRace]

No, you are wrong. Scepter of Razakale will cause AW not to gain barrier from Fade Shield sometimes. I have had it often before.

I'll gladly admit it could happen, there's a lot of weird thing going on in this game.

Take the Silent Sister for example. Every once in a while, she doesn't generate Guard. It's not a feature, it's not supposed to be like that and you won't see that 99% of the time. Would it be correct to associate the lack of Guard to any of her passive or ability? The problem lies elsewhere.

My guess is something went wrong while loading the match and it might have an impact once the game started. It's technically not related to the mechanic of Fade Shield and Fade Cloak, it's really something disconnected from those 2 things, maybe something that get's corrupted in memory. What's important is to understand that under normal circumstances, Fade Cloak doesn't affect Fade Shield.

[ThatBruhYouDK]

I'll gladly admit it could happen, there's a lot of weird thing going on in this game.

Take the Silent Sister for example. Every once in a while, she doesn't generate Guard. It's not a feature, it's not supposed to be like that and you won't see that 99% of the time. Would it be correct to associate the lack of Guard to any of her passive or ability? The problem lies elsewhere.

My guess is something went wrong while loading the match and it might have an impact once the game started. It's technically not related to the mechanic of Fade Shield and Fade Cloak, it's really something disconnected from those 2 things, maybe something that get's corrupted in memory. What's important is to understand that under normal circumstances, Fade Cloak doesn't affect Fade Shield.

And I agree 100% with that. I just came to terms that the game is really buggy. If something weird happens I just accept it and move on lol. This is why, when taking builds and gameplay, you never see me use exact numbers and formulas and the like of that like Drasca and you and a couple others. I try different things, if it works I do it, especially if I like it. I just go based off what I see and it tends to work well for me, as everyone has seen

[Rutg3r]

And I agree 100% with that. I just came to terms that the game is really buggy. If something weird happens I just accept it and move on lol. 

Yesterday my AW would not recharge more than around 30% of my mana which prevented him from using most of his spells... another one of those 'oke.. where did this come from" bugs 

[Aggrojagg]

Based on my experience with the AW soon after getting Scepter of Razikale, I was pretty sure that Fade Shield would sometimes fail during Fade Cloak. I played the AW today with the Scepter again intending to capture a clip, but did not encounter this problem. I'm not sure what I was observing previously, perhaps that I was using CL or SF improperly and simply not gaining barrier as a result, and creating a false association with Fade Cloak. In any case, I stand corrected.

 

Your situational awareness is weak!

[nanotm]

pride staff aw storm belt cl ring barrier ring (or crit chance ring) superb cool down ammy and you generate barrier from non existent enemies all the time and if you get stuck just hit the dragon for instant full barrier ......

 

 

he can also stand on the final zone and spam cl +normal attacks at the dragon without moving out of the center of the field until it dies the only problem is getting those barrier stealing scrubs or vent mages in nm for his epic soloing ability, hell even pride demons will give you full barrier despite it poping 1's off them for damage the only problem is it takes forever to solo with him.....

 

use some troll weapon like razi and your 100% going to die to a random cloak at the wrong time issue especially since you cant detonate the ability for epic damage anymore /

[ThatBruhYouDK]

Yesterday my AW would not recharge more than around 30% of my mana which prevented him from using most of his spells... another one of those 'oke.. where did this come from" bugs

Use a low mana spell and you will recharge it

[kaileena_sands]

I'll gladly admit it could happen, there's a lot of weird thing going on in this game.

Take the Silent Sister for example. Every once in a while, she doesn't generate Guard. It's not a feature, it's not supposed to be like that and you won't see that 99% of the time. Would it be correct to associate the lack of Guard to any of her passive or ability? The problem lies elsewhere.

My guess is something went wrong while loading the match and it might have an impact once the game started. It's technically not related to the mechanic of Fade Shield and Fade Cloak, it's really something disconnected from those 2 things, maybe something that get's corrupted in memory. What's important is to understand that under normal circumstances, Fade Cloak doesn't affect Fade Shield.

 

You're very right on the account of the SS not generating guard. I've gotten the bug a lot and it's been hard to find a real pattern but I've been able to isolate one thing at last - I've always gotten it off-host when joining a game in progress.

 

Silly BW code. 

[TheThirdRace]

You're very right on the account of the SS not generating guard. I've gotten the bug a lot and it's been hard to find a real pattern but I've been able to isolate one thing at last - I've always gotten it off-host when joining a game in progress.
 
Silly BW code. 

I've gotten it being the host...

Silly BW code indeed

[kaileena_sands]

I've gotten it being the host...

Silly BW code indeed

 

Wow, now that's totally unacceptable. Dis game...