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[Mr Grim]

So just finished descent. and damn o.o so basically all templars and a lot of mages are bloody hypocrites because they in fact use blood (titan blood) xD

[thats1evildude]

No, not really. It's just an analogy. Lyrium is still a mineral; it just happens to form part of a giant rock monster. We just call it "blood" because that's the closest comparison.

Also, blood magic involves spilling blood - it's the act of sacrifice that powers the magic. Blood mages don't "drink" blood to get their powers.

[Navasha]

Well, technically its still "spilled blood".   It just happens to come from a different sort of living thing.    So yes, technically you could still call it blood magic. 

[thats1evildude]

By that line of reasoning, eating red meat would be blood magic. Food is converted to energy, and meat comes from living things, so therefore all carnivores are blood mages.

[earthboyjak]

I think the lyrium/blood thing is legit. It's been stated repeatedly in these games that different kinds of blood can be used to different sorts of effects. Human blood is a little different than elf blood for the purposes of blood magic, and dragon blood has it's own wildly different properties, but all blood has power. If titans are alive, that what serves as blood for them fuels magic in a particular way means something important, or I don't think they'd go out of their way to draw the analogy. Does that necessarily mean that templars and all lyrium-using mages are abusers of blood magic? Maybe very loosely. But it's clearly not the same as slicing open your hand and summoning a demon or raising corpses. 

 

And lets not ignore the obvious. When you get to the center of the titan, you see it has what is VERY clearly a beating heart.

[ModernAcademic]

So all the magic in the world of Thedas has its source on blood?

 

What about the magic inside the Fade? Could that be spawned from blood as well? The blood of what?

[earthboyjak]

So all the magic in the world of Thedas has its source on blood?

 

What about the magic inside the Fade? Could that be spawned from blood as well? The blood of what?

 

I think the point is that blood/violence/death weakens the veil, resulting in greater access to the fade's magic. Just how lyrium gains access to a magical source differently than other kinds of blood, or whether it is itself a source of magic, isn't yet well understood. If lyrium weakened the veil and came with the risks that incurs, then templars and mages would consider it as dangerous as blood magic. But the risks are clearly not the same, and that obfuscates the nature of lyrium as a kind of blood.

[Evamitchelle]

We've known for a while that templars use blood magic if it suits them (i.e. phylacteries). 

[earthboyjak]

We've known for a while that templars use blood magic if it suits them (i.e. phylacteries). 

True fact.

[Gervaise]

Lyrium is not simply a liquid mineral; Dagna (or was it Bianca? I forget which) says that it is alive.   That is why it can be corrupted by the blight and become red lyrium.   This makes sense if it is the blood of a Titan.     That is the source of the theory that the elves collapsed the entrance to their lyrium mine and sealed it away because the greed of the evanuris had somehow corrupted the lyrium there and created the darkspawn.    Of course we don't know this for certain but it is certainly suspicious.  

 

So in a way, using lyrium is a form of blood magic in that the blood of another being has been drained to fuel a spell.    It works in a different way from regular blood magic but it is using the blood of a living being.    Of course the mages and Templars don't know that, or they didn't before DAI.      

 

The reason for the song it gives off must have something to do with it being alive too.     Music somehow connects with the Fade and allows you to draw on its power      We are told that Andraste was said to have attracted the Maker in the Fade with her song.    Whatever being she spoke with, it would seem that is a link between magical song and the Fade.   Possibly lyrium attract more benign spirits to aid you in the same way the ordinary blood attracts demons.