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[Salaya]

I've been playing Dragon Age since Origins. I love the franchise, despite not being very fond of the two last games... anyway, there are some things in the lore that, probably because I did not pay enough attention, always bothered me. Maybe these things are explained somewhere else or at some shady part of the codex...so, if anyone could explain me or just share my perplexity, they will be welcome.

 

- If the archdemons are matured dragons, and matured celestial dragons could only be female... why everyone refer to the old gods as male dragons? Even worse, shouldn't "archdemons" be refered as "archdemoness"?

 

- If dwarfs are unable to cast magic... how is that genlocks are capable of be emissaries? I've read somewhere that this is due to the taint, but I'm not sure if this is accurate or canon.

[Taki17]

It was never confirmed that the archdemons are actual high dragons, but only that they look like dragons. As far as we know, they could be anything from spirits, demons or shapetakers.

 

Darkspawn magic is based on the taint, whereas "regular" magic is connected to the fade. The taint is different, alien to even the beings of the fade (that's why demons and spirits avoid the darkspawn, and none of the darkspawn mages gets posessed). Furthermore, genlocks are not actual dwarves, they are darkspawn who bear some physical traits of dwarves, but they are far enough from eachother to justify these differences.

[LorenzEffect]

Maybe the genlock emissaries are sha-brytol?

EDIT: *were* sha-brytol. Definitely past tense.

[Hydwn]

1. One of the Old Gods is referred to as female, which just highlights the strangeness of it - Razikale is always a "she."  My own theory is that the Old Gods were put in dragon forms the same way Hakkon was, and that he was always the same thing, so maybe they had identities established before they had a physical form in a dragon?  
2. Genlock mages were emphasized right from Origins.  I assumed after meeting the Broodmother and knowing their origins that it was just another way of showing how twisted they were - a way of mocking their original forms.  They can do the magic that dwarves cannot.

[Salaya]

It was never confirmed that the archdemons are actual high dragons, but only that they look like dragons. As far as we know, they could be anything from spirits, demons or shapetakers.

 

Darkspawn magic is based on the taint, whereas "regular" magic is connected to the fade. The taint is different, alien to even the beings of the fade (that's why demons and spirits avoid the darkspawn, and none of the darkspawn mages gets posessed). Furthermore, genlocks are not actual dwarves, they are darkspawn who bear some physical traits of dwarves, but they are far enough from eachother to justify these differences.

 

Thanks!

 

I think, though, that it's not clear if darkspawn aren't "actual" darves, humans, elves or qunari... The whole idea of beings corrupted lingers deeply through the three games.

 

Maybe the genlock emissaries are sha-brytol?

EDIT: *were* sha-brytol. Definitely past tense.

 

I don't know what sha-brytols are... is something explained in the Inquistion DLCs or the books...?

 

 

1. One of the Old Gods is referred to as female, which just highlights the strangeness of it - Razikale is always a "she."  My own theory is that the Old Gods were put in dragon forms the same way Hakkon was, and that he was always the same thing, so maybe they had identities established before they had a physical form in a dragon?  
2. Genlock mages were emphasized right from Origins.  I assumed after meeting the Broodmother and knowing their origins that it was just another way of showing how twisted they were - a way of mocking their original forms.  They can do the magic that dwarves cannot.

 

 

Ah, I see. I even didn't remember that there is a female old god. Probably you guys are correct. They are simply not high dragons. But for sooo much time I considered them as such that the idea of refering them as males troubled me.

[Taki17]

Sha-brytol is a cult of dwarves. They appear in the Descent DLC for Inquistion. Without getting into any plot points and spoilers, they eat lyrium and now they have special abilites, something similar to magic.

 

The genlocks (as any darkspawn) are given birth by a broodmother, as as far I'm aware, the only corrupted people that transform into darkspawn are the females (they probably become broodmothers through some sort of additional process, as not every tainted female we meet during the games became broodmothers), the males become ghouls. Ghouls are just extremly tainted creatures who are drawn to the darkspawn, but the taint kills them eventually.

 

The darkspawn *could* be considered something so mutated, that they became a race of their own. But the first specimen of these new race had to be something related to the original race (-> broodmothers)

[SmilesJA]

Is it possible that the Archdemons are just blighted Dragons?

[Illegitimus]

I've been playing Dragon Age since Origins. I love the franchise, despite not being very fond of the two last games... anyway, there are some things in the lore that, probably because I did not pay enough attention, always bothered me. Maybe these things are explained somewhere else or at some shady part of the codex...so, if anyone could explain me or just share my perplexity, they will be welcome.

 

- If the archdemons are matured dragons, and matured celestial dragons could only be female... why everyone refer to the old gods as male dragons? Even worse, shouldn't "archdemons" be refered as "archdemoness"?

 

- If dwarfs are unable to cast magic... how is that genlocks are capable of be emissaries? I've read somewhere that this is due to the taint, but I'm not sure if this is accurate or canon.

 

Archdemons aren't matured dragons.  They're something that was humanoid but shapeshifted into their dragon-like forms to transcend their mortality.  As for genlocks, while they are the kind of darkspawn that comes from Mothers made from dwarves, they are not dwarves.  They have no connection to the Stone and their kind of magic does not draw on the fade but from the taint.  And the taint probably came from a titan.  

[Evil Asch]

Archdemons aren't matured dragons.  They're something that was humanoid but shapeshifted into their dragon-like forms to transcend their mortality. 

 

I don't recall that being explicitly spelled out, did I miss a codex?

[Salaya]

Archdemons aren't matured dragons.  They're something that was humanoid but shapeshifted into their dragon-like forms to transcend their mortality. 

 

Yes, that would be an answer, but this is canon or is it explained somewhere?