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[Majestic Jazz]

Of course DAI didn't win any Joystick awards. The Witcher fanbase IS larger than the Dragon Age fanbase, and the Witcher 3 came out in May versus DAI's release last November.

There's a reason Oscar bait is released near Christmas - it's so those films are freshest in critic's minds.

But I thought DAI was Bioware's biggest launch.....meaning bigger then any of the Mass Effect games.....which has a larger fanbase than Witcher? With that as well as DAI having 3 large DLCs released between March and Sep of 2015, shouldnt the wave of popularity for DAI still carried over?

Did DAI's fire fade out that fast? I mean ME2 won it in 2010 and it released way back in Jan of that year but still beat out games that came out in May, June, and July of 2010.

For a game such as DAI that is touted as a HUGE financial hit for EA, it is funny how the popularity quickly faded after launch....

[In Exile]

I am unfamiliar with the other games in that year, but it seems like a few were quite popular and critically acclaimed. Simply because some forums posters say it was a weak year is not fact or proof.

It wasn't called a weak year until DAI won. Until then Shadows of Mordor, for example, was a brilliant and innovative game that revolutionised gameplay with its nemesis system.

[Al Foley]

But I thought DAI was Bioware's biggest launch.....meaning bigger then any of the Mass Effect games.....which has a larger fanbase than Witcher? With that as well as DAI having 3 large DLCs released between March and Sep of 2015, shouldnt the wave of popularity for DAI still carried over?

Did DAI's fire fade out that fast? I mean ME2 won it in 2010 and it released way back in Jan of that year but still beat out games that came out in May, June, and July of 2010.

For a game such as DAI that is touted as a HUGE financial hit for EA, it is funny how the popularity quickly faded after launch....

Not for me...though I suppose that goes without saying.

[thats1evildude]

Not necessarily though. Last of us and Dark Souls II won some of these categories last year, and were early year releases.

The Last of Us: Left Behind came out in February of 2014. Dark Souls 2 came out in April. These are still same-year releases.

Again, DAI came out last November. It's only barely eligible for the Golden Joystick awards.

[Eelectrica]

But I thought DAI was Bioware's biggest launch.....meaning bigger then any of the Mass Effect games.....which has a larger fanbase than Witcher? With that as well as DAI having 3 large DLCs released between March and Sep of 2015, shouldnt the wave of popularity for DAI still carried over?

Did DAI's fire fade out that fast? I mean ME2 won it in 2010 and it released way back in Jan of that year but still beat out games that came out in May, June, and July of 2010.

For a game such as DAI that is touted as a HUGE financial hit for EA, it is funny how the popularity quickly faded after launch....

Well Trespasser did restore faith for a lot of people though, so they did save the best for last. It's a pity they couldn't do one more DLC, they had to move on when the developers hit top form for it.

[straykat]

Well Trespasser did restore faith for a lot of people though, so they did save the best for last. It's a pity they couldn't do one more DLC, they had to move on when the developers hit top form for it.

 

Is it really that good? I can't even bother to buy it. That's what the main game did for me. But I was hyped pre-release last year and a big DA fan before. It's not that I set out to be this way.

[In Exile]

NPD is not Vgchartz. It's an official multi-industry publication (not just games).

That earnings link is no better than a press release. Nothing detailed about sales.

I understand liking the game, but I'm just encouraging more data.. and you to be more savvy.

An earnings report is a public disclosure document for which EA faces SEC sanction if it misleads the public. I get focusing on industry metrics, but don't dismiss earnings reports and public disclosure.

[In Exile]

But I thought DAI was Bioware's biggest launch.....meaning bigger then any of the Mass Effect games.....which has a larger fanbase than Witcher? With that as well as DAI having 3 large DLCs released between March and Sep of 2015, shouldnt the wave of popularity for DAI still carried over?

Did DAI's fire fade out that fast? I mean ME2 won it in 2010 and it released way back in Jan of that year but still beat out games that came out in May, June, and July of 2010.

For a game such as DAI that is touted as a HUGE financial hit for EA, it is funny how the popularity quickly faded after launch....

What proof do you have that ME has a larger fanbase than TW2? I don't see that being true.

[straykat]

An earnings report is a public disclosure document for which EA faces SEC sanction if it misleads the public. I get focusing on industry metrics, but don't dismiss earnings reports and public disclosure.

 

Yeah, but it means little about DAI with a big publisher like this.. They bundle the whole games division together (which is all they focus on actually) and as long as they're pushing units in general, they're being honest. Investors are making money either way. I never said it was misleading. Just vague.

[thats1evildude]

But I thought DAI was Bioware's biggest launch.....meaning bigger then any of the Mass Effect games.....which has a larger fanbase than Witcher? With that as well as DAI having 3 large DLCs released between March and Sep of 2015, shouldnt the wave of popularity for DAI still carried over?

No, we're still very much a niche fanbase. Our numbers are still nothing compared to, say, the fanbase for Batman Arkham, GTA or Call of Duty.

And games have short lifespans now. I doubt many gamers will still be playing The Witcher 3 when Fallout 4 rolls out. Its pre-sale numbers are comparable to Skyrim.

[Xetykins]

What proof do you have that ME has a larger fanbase than TW2? I don't see that being true.

To start with, it only sold barely 2 million. Thats nothing compared to DAO which was almost 6. And ME sold way more than DAO

[In Exile]

Yeah, but it means little about DAI with a big publisher like this.. They bundle the whole games division together (which is all they focus on actually) and as long as they're pushing units in general, they're being honest. Investors are making money either way. I never said it was misleading. Just vague.

I haven't read the earnings report, because I don't have the time. All I'm saying is that talk about NPD numbers isn't any better than talk about earnings reports, to the extent neither of which prove to what extent a product was actually successful (see e.g. how Sony deemed the rebooted Tomb Raider a flop because it didn't sell 5 million).

[In Exile]

To start with, it only sold barely 2 million. Thats nothing compared to DAO which was almost 6. And ME sold way more than DAO

Each individual ME game didn't sell substantially more than 2 million within the lifetime. I think ME3 hit 3. And DAO was more successful I think than ME1 or ME2 individually.

[straykat]

I haven't read the earnings report, because I don't have the time. All I'm saying is that talk about NPD numbers isn't any better than talk about earnings reports, to the extent neither of which prove to what extent a product was actually successful (see e.g. how Sony deemed the rebooted Tomb Raider a flop because it didn't sell 5 million).

 

It is better, at least for this type of discussion. It focuses on games, as individual assets.

 

EA has taken a whole new approach where they sell their entire "business model" now. The CEO even views them as a service company (kind of like mobile houses do). Rather than simply games. It's a slight difference in identity, and I see it even in these type of reports.

[In Exile]

It is better, at least for this type of discussion. It focuses on games, as individual assets.

EA has taken a whole new approach where they sell their entire "business model" now. The CEO even views it as a service company now. Rather than simply games. It's a slight difference in identity, and I see it even in these type of reports.

An earnings pitch is more complicated. I don't want to get into a debate about financial disclosure but suffice it to say that if EA was pitching itself as a service and wanted to present its financial success as being part of that transition then it wouldn't talk about sales of its product or, alternatively, it would separate out product sales from service subscription (or however content distribution works).

Every company sells its business model.

[Xetykins]

Each individual ME game didn't sell substantially more than 2 million within the lifetime. I think ME3 hit 3. And DAO was more successful I think than ME1 or ME2 individually.

This is from 2012 alone.
http://www.vgchartz....-sales-history/

[straykat]

but suffice it to say that if EA was pitching itself as a service and wanted to present its financial success as being part of that transition then it wouldn't talk about sales of its product or, alternatively, it would separate out product sales from service subscription (or however content distribution works).

Every company sells its business model.

 

But they don't talk about the individual products. Not really. Unless you consider "best launch" to actually mean something. I don't know how to measure it against the Witcher. As for the reports, as long as EA is profitable in general, that's all that matters to the public or investors. The details are an internal concern. And I'm not saying that's necessarily bad.. it just makes talking about DAI's sales kind of pointless.

 

The only positive thing (to me) I'll say about this is that they've been doing whether it's good or bad news. At least they're not being selective.

[Majestic Jazz]

I doubt many gamers will still be playing The Witcher 3 when Fallout 4 rolls out. Its pre-sale numbers are comparable to Skyrim.

I disagree because TW3 has a highly anticipated 20-hour expansion coming out in early 2016. So even ~9-10 months after release, TW3 will still be a popular game.

There is a reason why CDPR said that 2016 will still be about TW3 and they will wait til 2017 to talk about Cyberpunk 2077.

[Xetykins]

I disagree because TW3 has a highly anticipated 20-hour expansion coming out in early 2016. So even ~9-10 months after release, TW3 will still be a popular game.
There is a reason why CDPR said that 2016 will still be about TW3 and they will wait til 2017 to talk about Cyberpunk 2077.

People will play fo4 when it comes out then blood and wine 2016. After that my most awaited Andromeda.

[Eelectrica]

I disagree because TW3 has a highly anticipated 20-hour expansion coming out in early 2016. So even ~9-10 months after release, TW3 will still be a popular game.

There is a reason why CDPR said that 2016 will still be about TW3 and they will wait til 2017 to talk about Cyberpunk 2077.

They were smart to do the optional 'season pass' for both DLC's would have sold a few of that package deal I'd imagine. Based on the quality of HoS, I'd think a good % of people who purchased HoS would come back for more.

[Dreadstruck]

So DAI was the best game of 2014, and TW3 is the best game of 2015. Two amazing games - what's the problem with that?

 

I am seeing a lot of bitter people in this thread, especially over the year 2015.

[Morty Smith]

I am seeing a lot of bitter people in this thread.

 

Just a few salty sailors in here.

[Xetykins]

So DAI was the best game of 2014, and TW3 is the best game of 2015. Two amazing games - what's the problem with that?

I am seeing a lot of bitter people in this thread, especially over the year 2015.

And considering how the big reviewers/critics talks about the not even released FO4 ( like someone having the biggest orgasm of their lives) I already think TW3 will loose out to it for this years releases alone on Goty at the end of this year.

[Al Foley]

Not to mention Halo 5. 

[Xetykins]

Not to mention Halo 5.

I'm sure chief will win some. I haven't played it but I followed the cutscenes saga and I really wish I own an xbone.