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Golden Joystick Awards 2015 - DAI Nominated for 5 awards


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Except it isn't. Witcher 2 had 16 possible endings. It would have been impossible to have written W3 to account for everything, and Witcher 2 is better for having the different choices for THAT game.
 
Deus EX: Human Revolution had three different endings, Deus Ex: Mankind Divided doesn't have a save importer, so it would seem they're going to do the same and basically pick the one from HR which allows the best story in MD. Which is exactly the right way to go about it.
 
Hell for X-Com 2 they decided we lost in X-com EU and have built a story around that 'What if' Scenario. Looking forward to it.


Don't know if all the Players see it this way. If choices do not carry over, then complaints about such would not have been made, of which there are several. It certainly seems iffy to call it a new standard.

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But I thought DAI was Bioware's biggest launch.....meaning bigger then any of the Mass Effect games.....which has a larger fanbase than Witcher? With that as well as DAI having 3 large DLCs released between March and Sep of 2015, shouldnt the wave of popularity for DAI still carried over?

Did DAI's fire fade out that fast? I mean ME2 won it in 2010 and it released way back in Jan of that year but still beat out games that came out in May, June, and July of 2010.

For a game such as DAI that is touted as a HUGE financial hit for EA, it is funny how the popularity quickly faded after launch....


Popularity quickly faded? Considering it was nominated for this Award several times, that does not seem to work. So besides the loss to other games for this one Award, what evidence is there?

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Don't know if all the Players see it this way. If choices do not carry over, then complaints about such would not have been made, of which there are several. It certainly seems iffy to call it a new standard.

Witcher never advertised save import it's like it exist but we don't care. So it's not like DA or ME big deal.



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Witcher never advertised save import it's like it exist but we don't care. So it's not like DA or ME big deal.


Evidently not. DAO and DA2 received a lot of care after release, then The Keep was made to better enable every Player a way to move decisions forward for DAI.

Whether or not it was advertised, there are complaints about the lack of choices seen at the start of TW3, so some of you do seem to care.

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Evidently not. DAO and DA2 received a lot of care after release, then The Keep was made to better enable every Player a way to move decisions forward for DAI.Whether or not it was advertised, there are complaints about the lack of choices seen at the start of TW3, so some of you do seem to care.


Apparently the deal is not big enough. Not a lot of people played the earlier releases. I am one of those people so I don't care.

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Apparently the deal is not big enough. Not a lot of people played the earlier releases. I am one of those people so I don't care.


Big enough that this is one of the more common mentions in the TW3 thread; reason I know of it.

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Yup. These DA:I vs Witcher 3 threads really go nowhere. 


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30% off on steam, thanks CDPR! Now more can enjoy the golden joystick award winner 2015 for less.


DAI is on 50% sale on Origins, I believe; uncertain of other locations. And according to the site, it is the 2015 DICE GOTY Award winner:

http://www.interacti...sp#a_categories

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 In b4 "DAI is discounted because it's bad and sold poorly" and "TW3 is discounted because it's awesome and CDPR are so altruistic." :lol:


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I hate seeing Witcher posts that do not contribute to DA. First half of the posts were comparing the quality and criticizing both games, which I agree. Then it all went down like all the threads before. Sales....... Popularity...... Seriously??


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@Majestic Jazz

 

Witcher's developers should pay you for all the campaigning you do for them. I watched two reviews Angry Joe and some other review. The game is teen porn. A story very few care about but they give players a cartoon threesome. That sells.

 

Not everyone is interested in their story. I'm sure there are plenty of teen boys asking mommy and daddy for a copy of this game. Have fun advertising Witcher 3 in a Bioware website.



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Evidently not. DAO and DA2 received a lot of care after release, then The Keep was made to better enable every Player a way to move decisions forward for DAI.

Whether or not it was advertised, there are complaints about the lack of choices seen at the start of TW3, so some of you do seem to care.

I really like The Keep. They did a nice job of it.



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@Majestic Jazz

 

Witcher's developers should pay you for all the campaigning you do for them. I watched two reviews Angry Joe and some other review. The game is teen porn. A story very few care about but they give players a cartoon threesome. That sells.

 

Not everyone is interested in their story. I'm sure there are plenty of teen boys asking mommy and daddy for a copy of this gave. Have fun advertising Witcher 3 in a Bioware website.

Actually no they didn't.  If you try it goes badly for you.  And I also know of someone who is neither teenaged, nor a boy, who plays the game.  



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Actually no they didn't.  If you try it goes badly for you.  And I also know of someone who is neither teenaged, nor a boy, who plays the game.  

Keyword someone. There are teens playing it. It is selling sex.



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Keyword someone. There are teens playing it. It is selling sex.

I don't think it is in point of fact and in general the romance/ sex elements are rather...minimalstic.  In the game.  



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I don't think it is in point of fact and in general the romance/ sex elements are rather...minimalstic.  In the game.  

Not according to the review. Teen boys don't care about the story there are topless chicks. I find it all so predictable.



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Not according to the review. Teen boys don't care about the story there are topless chicks. I find it all so predictable.

What review?

 

And there are also topless women in DA I too.  A lot of them.  I am trying to crunch the numbers in my head and I think...IDK never seen Yen's love scene so I really can't comment but I can think of at least both having 2. 



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Well for starters RPGs like DA still don't have as much mainstream appeal as a game like GTA5.

 

More importantly, your logic is flawed.  There are a lot of strong games on that list.  MGS5 is a critically acclaimed financial success, for example, yet it won none of these awards.  The same goes for other high quality popular titles on the list.  Are they all weak bad games and The Witcher 3 is the only strong one?  Not being the best doesn't mean they aren't high quality strong games.

 

And if it aint for those brain dead critics, it should not win even one. Why should players vote for a MGSV when Konami mentally tortured their employees and step all over its creator Kojima. Even the host of the Golden Joystick Award took a shot at Konami saying that they have force one of their greatest talent into making Pachinko machines.

 

I am all for voting for MGSV if they invite Kojima to accept any awards given. Konami does not deserve any recognition that would help them sell MGSV.  <_<

 

I personally would not buy MGSV from Konami - would only buy it if I can make that payment to Kojima Productions.



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@Majestic Jazz
 
Witcher's developers should pay you for all the campaigning you do for them. I watched two reviews Angry Joe and some other review. The game is teen porn. A story very few care about but they give players a cartoon threesome. That sells.
 
Not everyone is interested in their story. I'm sure there are plenty of teen boys asking mommy and daddy for a copy of this game. Have fun advertising Witcher 3 in a Bioware website.


Strong opinion for someone who has not played the game. After 2 pts I haven't seen a single sex scene, aside from the 2 rabbits ( literally as in animal rabbits) going at it in Keira's cave.

And the boobs? Aside from the horribly battered, mutilated dead women ( CDPR did not settle for sunshine and rainbows on things like that ) and the crones transforming themselves as young women? Not a lot there.

Sex is optional just like DAI. And the boobs is the perfect visual portrayal of what the story they want to tell.

I also am not a teen boy.
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@Majestic Jazz

 

Witcher's developers should pay you for all the campaigning you do for them. I watched two reviews Angry Joe and some other review. The game is teen porn. A story very few care about but they give players a cartoon threesome. That sells.

 

Not everyone is interested in their story. I'm sure there are plenty of teen boys asking mommy and daddy for a copy of this game. Have fun advertising Witcher 3 in a Bioware website.

 

I do get that this whole thread was started as a bias against TW3 but what you've said is totally ridiculous. No it is not teen porn. DA:I has romance as well. Yes, it has sex scenes but no, the game does not sell for that. No threesome's either since it's your choice. Angry joe's review had a segment of about 2 mins talking about sex scenes in Witcher. What other review are you referring to anyway? 

 

 

This is the reason why these threads are so bad. It's going to be those who prefer DA:I vs those who prefer TW3. Nothing really comes good out of it.


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What review?

 

And there are also topless women in DA I too.  A lot of them.  I am trying to crunch the numbers in my head and I think...IDK never seen Yen's love scene so I really can't comment but I can think of at least both having 2. 

Several. Angry Joe's Witcher 3 review is pretty funny.

 

DAI does have it and have you seen a thread where some guy wanted a DLC to have Josephine nude?

 

I saw one review where they say Gerald is a super freak love doctor. Do they both advertise sex romance? yes

 

From the reviews one seems to be catering to Gerald "The Man" love doctor. I'm laughing seems pretty funny. 



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Seriously? Every now and then I meet someone claiming how TW3 is "only porn" or "sexist" and I wish ESRB rating would include something like IQ requirement, or otherwise a test to make sure people dense enough to claim something like that don't experience products clearly far above their mental capacity.

 

Whining that TW3 is only about/its only selling point is "teen porn" is as dumb and generalizing as saying that DA series is only about "gay romances" or "pandering to SJWs". There's much more to both of those games, which is why they are currently considered the best and most praised RPGs of 2014 and 2015.

 

Also why is it always people who have clearly never played the game that moan the loudest? Come on.


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Several. Angry Joe's Witcher 3 review is pretty funny.

 

DAI does have it and have you seen a thread where some guy wanted a DLC to have Josephine nude?

 

I saw one review where they say Gerald is a super freak love doctor. Do they both advertise sex romance? yes

 

From the reviews one seems to be catering to Gerald "The Man" love doctor. I'm laughing seems pretty funny. 

No and nor have I seen any for the Witcher 3...any character there of.  Also that sounds like a female thing.



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Considering they have only 1 game series and the other series financial reports went to their prespective years. It's not hard to dissasemble

Ps. My spelling is ghastly


Not so much since this is CDProject Holding, not just CDPR. They have a HUGE revenue stream from GOG to consider as well. I don't know if they have other divisions but it looks like the dealt with more the entire company than dividing the two, especially since they do mention the number of activations of Witcher 3 games from GoG in specific terms in the block text, but nothing on units sold total.

And while this may sound like excuses, there's something to consider about the profit numbers. CDP has a huge advantage over EA in one major regard: Poland's labor costs are insanely low in comparison to the US or Canada, so they can claim a larger chuck of sales as profit, which isn't an insignificant factor. I'm not sure how other costs even out. Now what comes next is me musing rather than anything concrete, but I wonder what CDPR (not the entire company) costs are for say office space and utilities vs. say Bioware. I'd say things like computers and other real high end stuff would probably be the same.

This is why I went into history and not economics. And I am the absolute last person to complain about someone else's spelling.
 

Well, it is pretty early. lol. I'm sorry if you feel condescended to. I don't like EA's policy with this.. that's my main point.
 
I haven't played the Telltale GoT game, but I got the first one downloaded. I'll come around to it, but I do love TellTale in general. I haven't hated anything yet. It can't be that bad.


Sokay. For my part... To say this week was hellish for me is kind of like saying the sun is warm. So my snark is more than usual. My apologies as well.

As for EA, I'm not sure you're familiar with the fable of the fox and the scorpion? The very very short moral of that story is things act according to their nature. EA's nature, like every corporation in existence, is to make a profit. And I may be jaundiced about this, but unless they're doing truly unethical or immoral things, I tend to shrug since it is their nature.

It's also their nature to protect their butts when it comes to talking to their investors. If they were to lie or really fudge things the SEC fines would be killer. And if DAI didn't do enough to really boost their bottom line, what the SEC would do to them would turn whatever they made off the game into a net loss, since as I've said, along with others, RPGs generally don't make that much. They make a comfortable profit, and if Bioware was still an indie developer, every game they've put out in the last decade would be huge windfalls for the company. But for EA, an rpg is going to add to the bottom line somewhat, but not enough to merit this kind of attention.

You have to understand, my first crpg was Bard's Tale 3 (published by EA back when they were really tiny) on the Apple 2e. I've known for years how much of a niche we are in the industry. So when it came out that DAI got mentioned to the investors as being a huge portion of EA success I blinked and wondered if I'd entered an alternate reality. With so many things against the game, for this to happen seems to be something of an aberration for me because these things just don't happen Dragon Age just doesn't make the same kind of money Madden of FIFA does. And even if it launched well, it sure shouldn't have made enough money be mentioned in the same breath as those two big boys. It knocks my socks off, and I still don't discount the alternate universe theory mind you, but at the moment, the best explanation is that some weird confluence of events somehow managed to override the lack of advertising, the fanbase attitude toward Bioware after DA2 and ME3, and that conventional wisdom is that RPGs don't do huge business. I don't know how they did it. Making virgin sacrifices may have come into play, but they did.

I don't know why EA doesn't release numbers anymore. I'd think there's some good reason (in their minds at least) to stop, but I can't tell you.

Going to cover a couple of other things really quick:

High fantasy is a weird term. Originally it was used to describe a setting with a lot of magic and not a lot of moral ambiguity, in contrast to low fantasy which has little magic and a lot of moral ambiguity. Tolkien is the archetype of the former, the Robert Howard Conan novels are the latter. Dark fantasy is a term that snuck up on me when I wasn't looking but everything I've seen says it handles more mature themes than High Fantasy does. It's a less idealized model of a fantasy world: elves aren't shining beings, and having magic isn't a fix all or make you powerful and respected (or feared in a way that's useful)for example. In high fantasy, good is good, evil is evil, and if a high fantasy hero is flawed, it's enough to be interesting, but not enough to tarnish their hero status if you know what I mean.

I've never played Telltale, I want to but there are some many things I want more :)

Tl;DR I'm tired, I rambled, take what you will. But what I wrote has to be easier to read than those damn investor reports... Owww...

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