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[DragonKingReborn]

Well, by then, people will be praising DAI.

The better game was always one game ago.

 

Is that universally true, though?

 

I know some people will have preferred DA2 to Inquisition, but I will put money on them being the minority.

[Ariella]

Is that universally true, though?
 
I know some people will have preferred DA2 to Inquisition, but I will put money on them being the minority.

If I thought it wouldn't cause me to have a psychotic break or something, I'd go rummaging back as I've seen a couple threads, one pretty recent in fact.

Pretty recently turns out to be six months ago... but

http://forum.bioware...over-dai/page-1

There's the conversation. Now, I'm going to go have that psychotic break I was talking about

[CronoDragoon]

Is that universally true, though?

 

I know some people will have preferred DA2 to Inquisition, but I will put money on them being the minority.

 

Probably, but the vocal contingent is always a minority since most people don't post. There is a non-insignificant subsection of the population who will post about a game that disappointed them but not post about a game they like, though. What this means is that the vocal opinion is constantly shifting, since the population known as "those who liked the last game but not the new one" will by definition be completely different when a new game releases.

 

Also: Nightmare Frontier from Bloodborne nominated for best gaming moment, what? That's one of the worst parts of the game...

[DragonKingReborn]

If I thought it wouldn't cause me to have a psychotic break or something, I'd go rummaging back as I've seen a couple threads, one pretty recent in fact.

Pretty recently turns out to be six months ago... but

http://forum.bioware...over-dai/page-1

There's the conversation. Now, I'm going to go have that psychotic break I was talking about

 

Dammit.

 

I read it too.  The 'conversations' we have here to tend to be rather circular, don't they?

[DragonKingReborn]

Probably, but the vocal contingent is always a minority since most people don't post. There is a non-insignificant subsection of the population who will post about a game that disappointed them but not post about a game they like, though. What this means is that the vocal opinion is constantly shifting, since the population known as "those who liked the last game but not the new one" will by definition be completely different when a new game releases.

 

Yeah, fair enough.  It's the old, 'if a person likes something, they'll tell one person.  If the same person dislikes something, they'll tell ten people' thing.  Complaining online is a far more venerated past-time than celebrating something online.

[Scofield]

DA2 is the best dragon age game its that simple lol

 

Am just stoned an randomly reading stuff just ignore me

[Ariella]

Dammit.
 
I read it too.  The 'conversations' we have here to tend to be rather circular, don't they?

Isn't that the definition of the BSN?

I do agree with Cronodragon, and I also think there are going to be those contrary putzes by nature. Bioware says up so those guys say down.

Back to that psychotic break, and snickers. I need to hunt down snickers.

I'm in a WEIRD mood tonight.

[DragonKingReborn]

I have snickers - although, I'm in New Zealand, so possibly of little help to you....but best of luck!

[Ariella]

I have snickers - although, I'm in New Zealand, so possibly of little help to you....but best of luck!

We've got a bunch downstairs actually . It rained all through Halloween so we had kids come to our door three times, and that's it. I just need to get to it before my own rugrats, or spouse.

Hope you had a good one, btw, Dragon.

[DragonKingReborn]

We've got a bunch downstairs actually . It rained all through Halloween so we had kids come to our door three times, and that's it. I just need to get to it before my own rugrats, or spouse.

Hope you had a good one, btw, Dragon.

 

Not too bad, thanks.  The DragonQueenReborn took the little ones out for a group ToT thing and I stayed home.  We've got a dog and a pretty high gate/fence so no one was likely to be coming to our door.  A pretty quiet night, momentarily made noteworthy by a group containing Harley Quinn, a Storm Trooper, Harry Potter and Princess Elsa.  REALLY wish I'd gotten a photo....

[Cantina]

Am not aware of any game that is perfect. And 'feels' aside, that is once again an opinion; not fact.

TW3 has had as many patches as DAI; released it with hard coded control keys, lesser graphics than posted, and other bugs. Many are now fixed, but launch could have gone smoother.

And for this Baron quest I have heard so much about, thus far it seems to be about searching about for red spots and allowing banter to play out the supposed mystery. Toss in a cut-scene of said Baron, move him from downstairs to upstairs, and simply follow the Journal as it cues the next step. Though I have not seen it completed yet, thus far it is not so special.

And I have seen enough of cut-scenes that have to be done for every shopping run. Seems TW3 did not learn anything we did from DAO. And I much prefer to have the multiple dialogue choices in DAI than the usual couple seen for other titles. If one wants to play mini-games, TW3 has a popular one. But the best thing I have seen about it is that it is not mandatory.

Compare away, but this will not alter the fact that DAI has already won what TW3 hopes to win next.

 

Let me spell this out to you: No game is perfect. I never said any game was. Thus do not assume and put words in my mouth.

 

You have not even played The Witcher 3 yet your reviewing it as you have. Watching videos about the game is fine, many people do. But to review a game based on what little you have seen is again no reason to give negative feedback. In order to give a game a proper review, play it. If you don't want to play it, that is fine. But don't act as though YOU are right when you have no foundation to stand on. 

 

Sounds to me as though you are pretty sore that The Witcher 3 took away awards from DAI.  You seem to think DAI is the perfect game, yet you claim as though no game is. Yet when the flaws of DAI are pointed out you act as though someone ran over your dog.

 

What if a game is crappy then all of sudden it win\s a reward, is it considered good now? Rewards don't make a game good. That is based on the opinions of those who play. Rewards are nothing more then bragging rights. The company uses it to sell a GY version to rake in more money.

 

Review a game based on what it is not based on whatever reward it has won. Using the whole, "Well they won so many rewards.." is about as bad as a child blaming his/her imaginary friend did it.

[Darkly Tranquil]

I just don't understand how 2014 was a weak year.

Dark Souls 2
Titanfall
Watch Dogs
Destiny
Shadow of Mordor ( swept the DICE awards ex for GotY. That went to Dragon Age)
Alien Isolation
Call of Duty Advanced Warfare
AC Unity
Grand Theft Auto 5


The last three came out the same month as DAI, GTA V was out the same day.

So we have releases from three huge franchises. Then games based on two extremely well known properties.

That alone should make it a strong year.

Most of those were decent, successful games (except for a couple of horrid games that succeeded due to brand recognition rather than quality; I'm looking at you, Ubisoft), but do any of them look like games that people are going to look back on in future and go "Wow, that was an amazing game" the way they do with games like Half Life 2, Portal 1 & 2, Bioshock, Red Dead Redemption, Skyrim, The Last of Us, etc.? To me, nothing on that list other than GTAV is going onto any serious "Games you need to play" list. Compare that to 2015, where Witcher 3 is sure to go onto the must play list, as (mostly likely) will Fallout 4, while MGSV and Ori and the Blind Forest could also be argued for. Going back to the previous year (2013), the standout games were The Last of Us (most award winning game in history - 249 GotY awards), GTAV (initial release), and Bioshock Infinite. So yeah, I firmly hold to the view that 2014 was a poor year for really high quality games.

[Elhanan]

Let me spell this out to you: No game is perfect. I never said any game was. Thus do not assume and put words in my mouth.
 
You have not even played The Witcher 3 yet your reviewing it as you have. Watching videos about the game is fine, many people do. But to review a game based on what little you have seen is again no reason to give negative feedback. In order to give a game a proper review, play it. If you don't want to play it, that is fine. But don't act as though YOU are right when you have no foundation to stand on. 
 
Sounds to me as though you are pretty sore that The Witcher 3 took away awards from DAI.  You seem to think DAI is the perfect game, yet you claim as though no game is. Yet when the flaws of DAI are pointed out you act as though someone ran over your dog.
 
What if a game is crappy then all of sudden it win\s a reward, is it considered good now? Rewards don't make a game good. That is based on the opinions of those who play. Rewards are nothing more then bragging rights. The company uses it to sell a GY version to rake in more money.
 
Review a game based on what it is not based on whatever reward it has won. Using the whole, "Well they won so many rewards.." is about as bad as a child blaming his/her imaginary friend did it.

Looks like someone else is assuming, as I have rated DAO > DAI > DA2, but have enjoyed all three.

Have not ever seen Pulp Fiction, but know enough about the film to skip it; not my kind of film. Becoming an informed consumer can help one save funds and time. It is actually recommended.

TW3 looks to be a beautiful game, but is one I would be poor at playing, as well as annoyed. Watching LP's helps confirm the intel, and was curious as to the awarded Baron quest, so this current set of vids is also informative. Thus far; not impressed.

When CP was at CDPR, I was rooting for TW3. Now, I tend to hear more from biased fans (not all, but many), and the appeal has waned a bit. Now I try and not compare it to DAI, as they are different types of RPG's, but when others do so, I try and defend DAI from inaccuracies and flawed reviews. DAI ain't perfect, but is worthy of the GOTY Awards it has earned.

IMO, of course.

[correctamundo]

Bayonetta 2 came out in 2014 and was quite well-acclaimed. Even Polygon praised the controls, though naturally they got a bit pissy about the sexual elements.

DAI still beat it in a lot of GOTY awards.

 

Yeah and the highly acclaimed Divinity: Original sin as well. But since it was released in 2014 and didn't beat DAI for GOTY it is now proven that it is weak-sauce crap of a CRPG.

[Majestic Jazz]

Most of those were decent, successful games (except for a couple of horrid games that succeeded due to brand recognition rather than quality; I'm looking at you, Ubisoft), but do any of them look like games that people are going to look back on in future and go "Wow, that was an amazing game" the way they do with games like Half Life 2, Portal 1 & 2, Bioshock, Red Dead Redemption, Skyrim, The Last of Us, etc.? To me, nothing on that list other than GTAV is going onto any serious "Games you need to play" list. Compare that to 2015, where Witcher 3 is sure to go onto the must play list, as (mostly likely) will Fallout 4, while MGSV and Ori and the Blind Forest could also be argued for. Going back to the previous year (2013), the standout games were The Last of Us (most award winning game in history - 249 GotY awards), GTAV (initial release), and Bioshock Infinite. So yeah, I firmly hold to the view that 2014 was a poor year for really high quality games.

Well said my friend. 2013 and 2015 both had/have blockbuster hits that 10 years from now people will be claiming to be must play games.

I doubt 10 years from now people will be saying Bayonetta 2, Watch Dogs, and Shadows of Mordor are must play games that defined the industry in the same light as The Last of Us, GTA5, Witcher e, Halo 5, MGS5, and Fallout 4.

Yet a small few still want to cling onto the belief that 2014 was just as strong as 2013 and 2015....

Hell, I bet you the top 3 games of 2014 does not have equal sales to the top 3 games of 2013 or 2015....and yet 2014 is supposed to be on par with these years. Halo 5 and Fallout 4 alone in sales will kill anything in 2014. Then you have the MGS5 and the 6 million + sales for Witcher 3. But again, a few people are still delusional to believe 2014 is an equal year.

[Majestic Jazz]

Yeah and the highly acclaimed Divinity: Original sin as well. But since it was released in 2014 and didn't beat DAI for GOTY it is now proven that it is weak-sauce crap of a CRPG.

So you are saying that the top 3 games of 2014 will have the same or more sales than the top 3 games of 2015? You are saying that Original Sin will have similar sales to Halo 5, MGS5, and Fallout 4?

[Ariella]

Most of those were decent, successful games (except for a couple of horrid games that succeeded due to brand recognition rather than quality; I'm looking at you, Ubisoft), but do any of them look like games that people are going to look back on in future and go "Wow, that was an amazing game" the way they do with games like Half Life 2, Portal 1 & 2, Bioshock, Red Dead Redemption, Skyrim, The Last of Us, etc.? To me, nothing on that list other than GTAV is going onto any serious "Games you need to play" list. Compare that to 2015, where Witcher 3 is sure to go onto the must play list, as (mostly likely) will Fallout 4, while MGSV and Ori and the Blind Forest could also be argued for. Going back to the previous year (2013), the standout games were The Last of Us (most award winning game in history - 249 GotY awards), GTAV (initial release), and Bioshock Infinite. So yeah, I firmly hold to the view that 2014 was a poor year for really high quality games.

That's not the point. Whenever I point out that DAI did well enough financially that gets mentioned in a investor call for a company of EA's size, people tell me it's "a weak year" which is why. Not taking into account that DAI is a niche game and one that comes out of one however many different divisions. And I didn't even bother to put on any of the addons for games or the sports games.

Role playing games don't do huge business. They certainly don't do enough to justify the bigwigs telling their investors that it significantly helped their bottom line. Which is a lot more important that however many awards they won, since you can win amazing level of awards and still bomb.

So "weak year" is a bunch of crap. In the real competition it wasn't a weak year. And the real competition wasn't for awards but for consumer dollars.

[BSpud]

Holy ****, this is still going?

 

Well said my friend. 2013 and 2015 both had/have blockbuster hits that 10 years from now people will be claiming to be must play games.

I doubt 10 years from now people will be saying Bayonetta 2, Watch Dogs, and Shadows of Mordor are must play games that defined the industry in the same light as The Last of Us, GTA5, Witcher e, Halo 5, MGS5, and Fallout 4.

Yet a small few still want to cling onto the belief that 2014 was just as strong as 2013 and 2015....

Hell, I bet you the top 3 games of 2014 does not have equal sales to the top 3 games of 2013 or 2015....and yet 2014 is supposed to be on par with these years. Halo 5 and Fallout 4 alone in sales will kill anything in 2014. Then you have the MGS5 and the 6 million + sales for Witcher 3. But again, a few people are still delusional to believe 2014 is an equal year.

 

[Beomer]

Saw the results yesterday. Volatile subject to broach on these forums to be sure now that *ahem* Witcher 3 won so many.

[Heimdall]

Saw the results yesterday. Volatile subject to broach on these forums to be sure now that *ahem* Witcher 3 won so many.

That's great for The Witcher 3, but it doesn't translate into proof of DAI being a weak game as the OP seems to want to say.

[correctamundo]

So you are saying that the top 3 games of 2014 will have the same or more sales than the top 3 games of 2015? You are saying that Original Sin will have similar sales to Halo 5, MGS5, and Fallout 4?

 

Just double-checked. Nope, didn't write anything about sales. Far cry, Destiny, Sims, etc etc do though. But anyway, is this your new "theory" that significantly fewer sells were made 2014?

[Majestic Jazz]

Just double-checked. Nope, didn't write anything about sales. Far cry, Destiny, Sims, etc etc do though. But anyway, is this your new "theory" that significantly fewer sells were made 2014?

http://www.polygon.c...-destiny-number

According to that list, Destiny was the number 3 top selling game of 2014. Madden was number 2 and CoD was number 1. However, Madden and CoD are annual releases and thus is part of the 2015 lineup so thus they cancel each other out. Only Destiny is a unique 2014 release. Also GTA5 was a 2013 release as well.

So if you add in 2015's Madden and CoD along with Witcher 3, Halo 5, Fallout 4, and MGS5, I just do not see how 2015 can be seen as equal to 2014. But of course you will disagree cause that would "devalue" the success of DAI in 2014.

Dont worry though, end of year sales figures will be released soon and we can then accurately see that 2015 was a much stronger year for gaming that 2014. That way it wont be a "theory" but rather a fact.

[correctamundo]

Your source there implied that 2014 sold more than 2013. How is it going to be? Wasn't 2013 and 2015 supposed to be significantly stronger than 2014 over the board?

[AtreiyaN7]

Oh hey, it's another Majestic Jazz thread that's pretty much a thinly veiled excuse for him to praise The Witcher 3 and bash DA:I using his own unique "logic" and standards - this time because DA:I didn't win Golden Joystick award(s)! *rolleyes* i should have looked at this thread last night when I needed to sleep - I'm 99% sure that the sheer boredom of reading the same stuff repeated for the ten millionth time would have knocked me right out.

[DragonKingReborn]

Oh hey, it's another Majestic Jazz thread that's pretty much a thinly veiled excuse for him to praise The Witcher 3 and bash DA:I using his own unique "logic" and standards - this time because DA:I didn't win Golden Joystick award(s)! *rolleyes* i should have looked at this thread last night when I needed to sleep - I'm 99% sure that the sheer boredom of reading the same stuff repeated for the ten millionth time would have knocked me right out.

 

C'mon - at least it's better than Brevnau and his 'science' about why Josie and Cassandra look like men....

 

Defn.- low bar

Modifié par DragonKingReborn, 05 novembre 2015 - 09:15 .