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[Majestic Jazz]

But it is all good though. You like DAI so you will defend DAI to the very end.

Yes, it won the DICE award against a weak field of 2014 contenders. In the end, the legacy of DAI is held within each individual. To you, that legacy would be that it won DICE and 130 other awards. To me and many others it is a game that was largely hyped but failed to deliever and offered many frustrations such as fetch quest and having a condensed version of DAI from the versiom we saw at PAX 2013.

[Elhanan]

But it is all good though. You like DAI so you will defend DAI to the very end.

Yes, it won the DICE award against a weak field of 2014 contenders. In the end, the legacy of DAI is held within each individual. To you, that legacy would be that it won DICE and 130 other awards. To me and many others it is a game that was largely hyped but failed to deliever and offered many frustrations such as fetch quest and having a condensed version of DAI from the versiom we saw at PAX 2013.

And that is your opinion, though myself and 130+ others disagree.

[Majestic Jazz]

And that is your opinion, though myself and 130+ others disagree.

Those 130+ does not equate to the general RPG/gaming population.

Again, 130+ media outlets does not drive demand. The experiences and opinions of the consumer does. That is fact, not an opinion.

[Elhanan]

Those 130+ does not equate to the general RPG/gaming population.

Again, 130+ media outlets does not drive demand. The experiences and opinions of the consumer does. That is fact, not an opinion.

You seemingly keep making the same error. Included in those 130+ GOTY Awards ARE consumer awards, too. As for facts and opinions, I recommended Dictionary.com....

[Majestic Jazz]

You seemingly keep making the same error. Included in those 130+ GOTY Awards ARE consumer awards, too. As for facts and opinions, I recommended Dictionary.com....

Yes, I am aware that a good number of those awards are from voters like the Joystick awards. However, unlike the Joystick awards, Witcher 3 wasnt a competitor and we both know what the result was when voters had the opportunity to weigh DAI and TW3 against each other....

[TK514]

Not even remotely surprised at these results.  In fact, I'd say you could take TW3 out, and DA:I would have only won visual design.

[Elhanan]

Yes, I am aware that a good number of those awards are from voters like the Joystick awards. However, unlike the Joystick awards, Witcher 3 wasnt a competitor and we both know what the result was when voters had the opportunity to weigh DAI and TW3 against each other....

Based only on a single award/ poll, I would say that this thesis is lacking in scientific information and credibility. Perhaps reading tea leaves should be used next?

[Abyss108]

The Witcher has a larger audience than Dragon Age, so obviously it won. As would have any number of other games like CoD. That doesn't mean it's better, just different. If the only measure of how good a game was how many people liked it, RPGs wouldn't even exist.

 

Based of the number of people I've seen saying they like Dragon Age, but have no interest in playing the Witcher, I'm not convinced there is much of a target audience overlap.

[Majestic Jazz]

The Witcher has a larger audience than Dragon Age, so obviously it won. As would have any number of other games like CoD. That doesn't mean it's better, just different. If the only measure of how good a game was how many people liked it, RPGs wouldn't even exist.

 

Based of the number of people I've seen saying they like Dragon Age, but have no interest in playing the Witcher, I'm not convinced there is much of a target audience overlap.

 

What makes you think that The Witcher has a larger audience? 

[Ariella]

Not even remotely surprised at these results.  In fact, I'd say you could take TW3 out, and DA:I would have only won visual design.

No, you should be surprised at the results because DAI came out this time LAST year. It's been winding down for months while Witcher came out in May and just media blitzed new content.

Of course people are going to vote the way they did. It's simply a case of timing. DAI shouldn't have been included as it wasn't a 2015 launch.

[Majestic Jazz]

No, you should be surprised at the results because DAI came out this time LAST year. It's been winding down for months while Witcher came out in May and just media blitzed new content.

Of course people are going to vote the way they did. It's simply a case of timing. DAI shouldn't have been included as it wasn't a 2015 launch.

 

The Joystick awards does not work on a calendar year but on a different format, from Oct to Oct, which makes DAI eligible.

 

And besides, you offer a poor excuse. ME2 was released in January of 2010 and it still beat out games that were released later that year.

 

Secondly, if DAI is all that popular and well received as people like you like to claim, then why would it matter when it was released? If people respect/enjoy a game then they respect/enjoy a game no matter if it came out 10 months ago or 2 months ago. Furthermore, it wasn't like DAI didn't have any content released in 2015. It had a major Black Empiorum patch as well as 3 story DLCs with the most recent one being very well received and was released with voting was still open. So DAI wasn't some forgotten game that released in 2014 and didn't have any new content/relevance in 2015. 

 

Excuses excuses.....

 

Just admit it, when finally up against TW3, DAI LARGELY lost.

[Ariella]

You are high

Please. Other than FO4, nothing on that list is going to challenge for GotY.

I'm not talking GotY. I'm talking the important thing. Sales.

If W3 were to come out the same time as the games I mentioned. W3 loses.

And I thought GotY doesn't matter?

And I'd like to know how a long awaited Halo title, A big video game Title like Tomb Raider, and anything labled with Star Wars won't see GotY?

Btw Halo 5 was the biggest launch in Xbox history, which proves my point that if W3 had been released at the same time, it would been trounced.

RPGs and niche games. RPGs according to conventional wisdom make comfortable profit, but don't impact the bottom line of a company like EA.

This goes doublity so for a game like DAI, a franchise with a small fanbase to begin with, no major brand name, and many feeling burned by DA2 and ME3.

This game should have barely made 'as expected'. But it's the biggest launch in BW history, and it made enough money that EA execs told their investors that DAI, in particular, accounted for the sucess in that quarter.

Now I'm not saying DAI would not have gotten trounced by the Halo machine either. It would have. But when a niche market game makes a big impact on a bottom line like EA's, it did damn well, especially coming out in the holiday season.

[Elhanan]

The Joystick awards does not work on a calendar year but on a different format, from Oct to Oct, which makes DAI eligible.
 
And besides, you offer a poor excuse. ME2 was released in January of 2010 and it still beat out games that were released later that year.
 
Secondly, if DAI is all that popular and well received as people like you like to claim, then why would it matter when it was released? If people respect/enjoy a game then they respect/enjoy a game no matter if it came out 10 months ago or 2 months ago.
 
Excuses excuses.....
 
Just admit it, when finally up against TW3, DAI LARGELY lost.

On a single poll; my heart is shattered. Will have to hug our GOTY Awards for solace....

[Ariella]

Jazz,

It's damned idiotic to put into competion games in that range. Especially when one game is in the middle of a media blitz for new content. You really don't think that has any effect on public perception?

DAI wasn't in the public spotlight because it was winding down. I'd say the same about any game in that position since the voting is biased to newer releases.

It would have been nice for it to win, but I doubt any fan of the series would have expected it to because of that bias.

[Majestic Jazz]

Jazz,

It's damned idiotic to put into competion games in that range. Especially when one game is in the middle of a media blitz for new content. You really don't think that has any effect on public perception?

DAI wasn't in the public spotlight because it was winding down. I'd say the same about any game in that position since the voting is biased to newer releases.

It would have been nice for it to win, but I doubt any fan of the series would have expected it to because of that bias.

 

 

Again, you are ignoring the fact that in 2010 Mass Effect 2 was a January release, EARLY in the year and yet 10 months later it one the RPG of the  Year and GOTY.

 

Here is the link

 

So if ME2 could win even though it released 10 months prior, how come the 130+ Awards/Bioware's Biggest Launch/EA Major reason for 4th QTR success could not even crack the top 3 of ANY of the categories it was nominated for (asside for one in which it even didn't win but instead got 2nd place)? What is your excuse to that? Yes, it released 12 months prior but ME2 released 10 months prior and took home 2 awards and even ME2 didn't finish with 130+ GOTY awards but rather ~69 GOTY awards, almost HALF of what DAI was able to accomplish.

 

Did people forget about DAI THAT fast? Almost kinds of follows the theory that DAI had a strong launch, but rapidly declined in popularity (and possibly sales) after people finally got their hands on it to play around with it after the hype/honeymoon period of being the first AAA Next Gen RPG faded. Yes, it was given a whole bunch of awards, but many of those were given in December/January when people were still amazed at playing a next gen RPG. Again, things quickly turned around and DAI being pretty much a no show at the Joystick awards sort of backs that theory up. Again, ME2 was still able to be voted by the consumers as their favorite game even though it released almost 12 months prior, and yet DAI which had a similar range of months between release and the awards failed to even "show up". 

[Ariella]

Funny, I was wandering around and I found this little opinion piece. I'll quote the relevant section for you, but feel free to read for yourself. It's about Rise of the Tomb Raider coming out on PS4 a year after the Xbox release.

 

http://www.techradar...to-lose-1307656

 

The PS4 version will likely be a glorified GOTY edition and considering how quickly games depreciate not just in value, but in relevance in a market that turns on fresh new experiences, Microsoft has the chance to market Lara Croft's gorgeous-looking new ditty up to the nines on its own platform.

 

This is pretty much what I've been saying. There's a bias factor because DAI is less relevant due to its release date a year ago. That this isn't common sense in a market where the consumers always yell for "more!" makes me wonder about... forget it.

 

And while I am specifically talking about this year at the moment, I find the whole damn system dumb for the above reason. I don't care if Bioware won or lost under the same system before. It's biased toward newer leases. Doesn't matter who it belongs to.

[Majestic Jazz]

 

And while I am specifically talking about this year at the moment, I find the whole damn system dumb for the above reason. I don't care if Bioware won or lost under the same system before. It's biased toward newer leases. Doesn't matter who it belongs to.

 

And  yet you STILL ignore the fact that in January 2010, Mass Effect 2 released and was still able to win the Golden Joystick Award that year.

 

Apparently the "bias towards newer releases" didn't effect Mass Effect 2....

 

I mean, Read Dead Redemption came out in May 2010 and we know how well received that game was....and yet ME2 still beat it out.

 

Halo Reach (September)

Red Dead Redemption (May) 

Starcraft 2 (July) 

God of War 3 (March)

Battlefield:: Bad Company 2 (March)

 

All these games came out AFTER ME2 was released and yet it was still in the mind of the voters when they made their Golden Joystick choices.

 

 

So again, Why did ME2 succeed where DAI faileD?

[Elhanan]

Tip: DAI is not ME2, 2010 is not 2015, Golden Joystick is not the DICE Award, etc. Also, apples are not oranges; news at 11....

[MyKingdomCold]

Sorry, I don't put much stock in an award for "Game of the Year" where quite a few of those games weren't even released this year.

 

For example, Destiny was released last September.  And what, these awards were at the end of October or something? Does a year have 13 months now?

[Majestic Jazz]

Tip: DAI is not ME2, 2010 is not 2015, Golden Joystick is not the DICE Award, etc. Also, apples are not oranges; news at 11....

 

Did ME2 win 130+ Game of the Year Awards?

 

And do not try to evade. The point is that the excuse was that DAI was not "Fresh" in the minds of the voters which contributed to it not winning anything at the Joystick awards as opposed to Witcher 3 which was still fresh off of being released. My point about 2010 proves that theory to be false because ME2 released in Jan and AFTER it's release, MANY other AAA heavy hitters came out and yet it was still in the minds of the voters when the voting opened up. 

 

Again, you keep throwing up excuses after excuses.

[Majestic Jazz]

Sorry, I don't put much stock in an award for "Game of the Year" where quite a few of those games weren't even released this year.

 

For example, Destiny was released last September.  And what, these awards were at the end of October or something? Does a year have 13 months now?

 

 

Again, the Golden Joystick Awards does not work on a Jan-Dec calendar but a Nov-Oct calendar which would make DAI eligible. This means that Fallout 4 will be part of the 2016 Golden Joystick nominees. 

[Elhanan]

Did ME2 win 130+ Game of the Year Awards?
 
And do not try to evade. The point is that the excuse was that DAI was not "Fresh" in the minds of the voters which contributed to it not winning anything at the Joystick awards as opposed to Witcher 3 which was still fresh off of being released. My point about 2010 proves that theory to be false because ME2 released in Jan and AFTER it's release, MANY other AAA heavy hitters came out and yet it was still in the minds of the voters when the voting opened up. 
 
Again, you keep throwing up excuses after excuses.

Nope, no excuses as I have not contested or confirmed that the dates were a problem. For myself, they are meaningless.

2010 ain't 2015 or 2016; each game has it's own parameters for Awards. DAI ain't ME2 or TW3; much prefer the former over either of the others. A simple pop poll ain't one of the industries top awards.

And not all Bioware fans wish to bite the hand that feeds them....

[Majestic Jazz]

Nope, no excuses as I have not contested or confirmed that the dates were a problem. For myself, they are meaningless.

2010 ain't 2015 or 2016; each game has it's own parameters for Awards. DAI ain't ME2 or TW3; much prefer the former over either of the others. A simple pop poll ain't one of the industries top awards.

And not all Bioware fans wish to bite the hand that feeds them....

 

True, every year is different but Arella seems to suggest that DAI suffered at the Joysticks because there were games (Witcher 3) that released after it and thus took some of the shine away from DAI. She claims that a game's popularity fades the longer it is out. My example about ME2 in 2010 proves that a game can come out early in the year and still not lose popularity, EVEN when major AAA games releases after it.

 

So again, if ME2 was able to do it, then DAI should have been able to do it as well, but instead it failed because a few months after becoming familiar with the game, many people turned against DAI, especially with TW3 looming over it's shoulder. Which is why I always say that you can have your 130+ GOTY awards if that is what makes you sleep better at night. At the end of the day, DAI's "success" faded rather quickly and didn't last that long unlike ME2 which was able to sustain it throughout the following months. 

 

But keep on throwing up excuses.

[Elhanan]

True, every year is different but Arella seems to suggest that DAI suffered at the Joysticks because there were games (Witcher 3) that released after it and thus took some of the shine away from DAI. She claims that a game's popularity fades the longer it is out. My example about ME2 in 2010 proves that a game can come out early in the year and still not lose popularity, EVEN when major AAA games releases after it.
 
So again, if ME2 was able to do it, then DAI should have been able to do it as well, but instead it failed because a few months after becoming familiar with the game, many people turned against DAI, especially with TW3 looming over it's shoulder. Which is why I always say that you can have your 130+ GOTY awards if that is what makes you sleep better at night. At the end of the day, DAI's "success" faded rather quickly and didn't last that long unlike ME2 which was able to sustain it throughout the following months. 
 
But keep on throwing up excuses.

No excuses required. Last year does not equate to this year. TW3 won the GJ Award; has not yet won the DICE Award. DAI has 130+ GOTY Awards including the last DICE Award. Those are facts.

That TW3 is a better game than DAI is an opinion, and a biased one at that....

[Ariella]

Jazz,

Why don't you actually go take a look when most of those GotY were awarded? I got a good sampling and the window goes from Nov. 2014 to March 2015. That's a five month window. Which, comparitively, is where W3 was when the Golden Joystick voting came out, plus a huge media blitz during the period for their new content.

I don't understand how that's a hard concept to grasp.

And ME2 two biggest competitors for the whole ultimate joystick came out in November of 2009.

ME2 had it's biggest DLC release for 2010 (Arrival dropped in 2011) in Lair of the Shadow Broker on September 7.

Of the runners up: Assassin's Creed 2 put out its late major DLC in Feb.

Call of Duty's last DLC was in June 2010.

Now if a huge DLC, well recieved with a popular character and a plot point that's been teased for 2 games doesn't freshen a game in the minds of players for a month or so compared to releases 5 months or worse 9 months prior, I don't know what would.

As I said, W3 was in the middle of a media blitz for new content, Jazz, something you keep ignoring. Ads were everywhere for it. If you don't believe that such actions didn't have an effect, I have beachfront property to sell you in Death Valley.