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[dreamgazer]

That's actually entirely an opinion, Jazz. But nice try.

[Heimdall]

Just like it was "opinion" of those experts/panelist that voted DAI as DICE GOTY? Or was that fact? Is it only an opinion if it doesn't match your thoughts and a fact if it does?

 

Look, I know you know what we are talking about, you are just being difficult for the sake of being difficult and unwilling to admit that DAI swept the 2014 GOTYs largely because it was a weak year and that DAI was the 1st to the market in terms of AAA next gen RPG games. It is not an opinion that 2014 was a weak year but fact. 

It is, by comparison to 2015, but being a strong game in a weak year doesn't mean it wasn't a strong game.

[Elhanan]

Just like it was "opinion" of those experts/panelist that voted DAI as DICE GOTY? Or was that fact? Is it only an opinion if it doesn't match your thoughts and a fact if it does?
 
Look, I know you know what we are talking about, you are just being difficult for the sake of being difficult and unwilling to admit that DAI swept the 2014 GOTYs largely because it was a weak year and that DAI was the 1st to the market in terms of AAA next gen RPG games. It is not an opinion that 2014 was a weak year but fact.

I am unfamiliar with the other games in that year, but it seems like a few were quite popular and critically acclaimed. Simply because some forums posters say it was a weak year is not fact or proof.

[Majestic Jazz]

It is, but being a strong game in a weak year doesn't mean it wasn't a strong game.

 

 

Well if it was a strong game, then how come that strength didn't carry over to win any awards today? I mean, GTA5 came out in 2013 and yet it still won like 4 awards.

[dreamgazer]

It is, but being a strong game in a weak year doesn't mean it wasn't a strong game.

Also true.

[Majestic Jazz]

I am unfamiliar with the other games in that year, but it seems like a few were quite popular and critically acclaimed. Simply because some forums posters say it was a weak year is not fact or proof.

 

Name some AAA games that were financially and critically successful in 2014 asside from DAI.....I dare you.

[fizzypop]

I have never gotten why people like Witcher at all. It is a terrible series. Overrated. DA3 isn't that great so it isn't like I thought it should win, but neither should the Witcher. Shudder.

[Heimdall]

Name some AAA games that were financially and critically successful in 2014 asside from DAI.....I dare you.

Didn't Shadow of Mordor release in 2014?  I think I remember that was a success.  Alien: Isolation was critically successful as well.

[Majestic Jazz]

I have never gotten why people like Witcher at all. It is a terrible series. Overrated. DA3 isn't that great so it isn't like I thought it should win, but neither should the Witcher. Shudder.

 

Well it all depends on the gamer. I cant speak for all Witcher fans, but I know I like the series (and thus TW3) because CDPR isnt politically correct with their atmosphere and storytelling. They aren't afraid to have a mature narrative (not in terms of sex) in regards to hitting deeply on themes such as poverty, horrors of war, political corruption, and racism. That is why I like the series as a whole. As for TW3, I like it cause the open world is very immersive and lively (my opinion yes) and the side quest are really interesting. I hate Geralts stale VO and personality, but at least there is a lore reason for that. Finally, I like TW3 cause it isn't the simple "Hero's journey" like in most Bioware games where you choose between the clear good guy/choice and the clear bad guy/choice like Saving or Killing the Counsil in ME1, saving or destroying the collector base, and joining the darkside or lightside in KOTOR. In TW3 and even in All 3 Witcher games, it is more of a grey area where sometimes you have to choose between 2 bad choices. Bioware games never get that deep. They try to be grey at times, but there is usually an implied good choice and the implied bad choice and Bioware has a bad habit at rewarding those who make the good choices and punishing those who made the bad choice. Witcher 3 was sort of fresh air from the Bioware approach which for you could have been a breath of polluted air instead of fresh air. To each their own. I just hope MEA has more grey instead of being black and white.

 

However, you will find others who enjoy Witcher because of the liberal stance on sex and violence. So it just depends on the fan. Just like there are those who like DAI because it is a great game while others may like it because it is openness to women and the LGBT community. It all depends on the person. In fact, I remember some people here who were against TW3 before it came out and wanted it to flop simply because of the way women are portrayed in the game.

[Morty Smith]

I have never gotten why people like Witcher at all. It is a terrible series. Overrated. DA3 isn't that great so it isn't like I thought it should win, but neither should the Witcher. Shudder.

 

That happens a lot with popular titles. I can totaly see why someone wouldn't like Witcher 3.

 

For me it was the best RPG in years and has many aspects and qualities I miss in BioWare titles of late.

[Elhanan]

Lists for that year include Shadows of Mordor, Divinity: Original Sin, Destiny, and The Banner Saga. These all seem to be fairly strong titles at a glance. And I have The Banner Saga; not gotten around to playing it yet.

[Heimdall]

Well if it was a strong game, then how come that strength didn't carry over to win any awards today? I mean, GTA5 came out in 2013 and yet it still won like 4 awards.

Well for starters RPGs like DA still don't have as much mainstream appeal as a game like GTA5.

 

More importantly, your logic is flawed.  There are a lot of strong games on that list.  MGS5 is a critically acclaimed financial success, for example, yet it won none of these awards.  The same goes for other high quality popular titles on the list.  Are they all weak bad games and The Witcher 3 is the only strong one?  Not being the best doesn't mean they aren't high quality strong games.

[Ariella]

Didn't Shadow of Mordor release in 2014?  I think I remember that was a success.  Alien: Isolation was critically successful as well.

Both were, in fact all three were supposed to be released the same day: October 7. SoM got pushed forward, A:I released on time, ad DAI on the 14th of November.

[Elhanan]

Cannot help but roll my eyes at the idea that 130+ GOTY awards can easily be dismissed, but one popularity contest Award is considered proof of superior excellence.

[Ariella]

Cannot help but roll my eyes at the idea that 130+ GOTY awards can easily be dismissed, but one popularity contest Award is considered proof of superior excellence.

But but... gaming journalism is corrupt! The joystixs are the Will of the People (noting that I had Heart of Stone ads popping up while I voted). Metacritic is always right!

[Morty Smith]

 

Spoiler

[dreamgazer]

(noting that I had Heart of Stone ads popping up while I voted)

Wait, there were Witcher 3 ads visible alongside this award ballot that ultimately led to Witcher 3's win? That's hilarious.

[Ariella]

Wait, there were Witcher 3 ads visible alongside this award ballot that ultimately led to Witcher 3's win? That's hilarious.

In mine there were. They were popping up right in the middle of the ballot pages. I wish I had thought to take a screen cap at the time.

[dreamgazer]

In mine there were. They were popping up right in the middle of the ballot pages. I wish I had thought to take a screen cap at the time.

Wish you had too. That's quite interesting. Money well spent, obviously.

[Majestic Jazz]

Cannot help but roll my eyes at the idea that 130+ GOTY awards can easily be dismissed, but one popularity contest Award is considered proof of superior excellence.

 

130+ GOTY awards that were won during a weak year. And yes, you may not believe 2014 to be weak as of course it is "opinion" but please, do not sit there with a straight face and tell me that DAI would have still gotten 130+ GOTY Awards if it had to go up against Fallout 4, Witcher 3, MGS5, and Halo 5 all in the same year. Would it have gotten GOTY awards? Sure, but 130+? I doubt it. In fact, NO GAME in 2015 will get 130+ GOTY awards which just shows you how tight it will be. I believe Fallout 4 will get a large chunk of the awards, but not 130+. 

[Giantdeathrobot]

130+ GOTY awards that were won during a weak year. And yes, you may not believe 2014 to be weak as of course it is "opinion" but please, do not sit there with a straight face and tell me that DAI would have still gotten 130+ GOTY Awards if it had to go up against Fallout 4, Witcher 3, MGS5, and Halo 5 all in the same year. Would it have gotten GOTY awards? Sure, but 130+? I doubt it. In fact, NO GAME in 2015 will get 130+ GOTY awards which just shows you how tight it will be. I believe Fallout 4 will get a large chunk of the awards, but not 130+. 

 

Seriously, we get it. You think the game isn't as good as its reception was. Fine. That's entirely understandable.

 

But then when you come here and jump up and down trying to convince everyone that one contest somehow proves anything while 130 awards, 30(ish) of which were player-chosen, counts for nothing, well your logic has a few holes in it and it starts to look like you pick and choose what counts as credible awards and what doesn't based on what validates your opinion.

 

As I said, for all categories but GOTY, TW3 pretty much only had Dragon Age as credibly popular competition competition, with Ori as the outlier because its sound and visual design were fantastic. So this really isn't much different than the time Inquisition had Aliens: Isolation and Shadow of Mordor as the only AAA games that could credibly take the GOTY spot. No game exists in a vacuum. Of course it gets compared to what was released at about the same time. Doesn't mean it is an objectively bad game.

 

Awards are pretty meaningless anyway. They make for nice PR and you can put a shiny number of GOTY awards on the game's Ultimate Edition box and self-congratulate on Twitter. I liked Alpha Protocol a lot, flaws and all, and that game got a lukewarm reception at best. It didn't win any GOTY awards, but why should I care?

[Majestic Jazz]

 

Awards are pretty meaningless anyway. They make for nice PR and you can put a shiny number of GOTY awards on the game's Ultimate Edition box and self-congratulate on Twitter.

 

Tell that to Elhanan....

 

I mean, 130+ GOTY Awards means something right? Or are they meaningless? Which one is it?

[BSpud]

Hai guiz, in 1977 Star Wars was up against Smokey & the Bandit and The Other Side of Midnight. Clearly Star Wars didn't really earn those awards and praise.

 

 

 

PS. Looking forward to someone who doesn't understand analogies to go "you cant compare DAI w/ Star Werz!11"

[Ariella]

Seriously, we get it. You think the game isn't as good as its reception was. Fine. That's entirely understandable.
 
But then when you come here and jump up and down trying to convince everyone that one contest somehow proves anything while 130 awards, 30(ish) of which were player-chosen, counts for nothing, well your logic has a few holes in it and it starts to look like you pick and choose what counts as credible awards and what doesn't based on what validates your opinion.

Cherry picking, gotta love it.
 

As I said, for all categories but GOTY, TW3 pretty much only had Dragon Age as credibly popular competition competition, with Ori as the outlier because its sound and visual design were fantastic. So this really isn't much different than the time Inquisition had Aliens: Isolation and Shadow of Mordor as the only AAA games that could credibly take the GOTY spot. No game exists in a vacuum. Of course it gets compared to what was released at about the same time. Doesn't mean it is an objectively bad game.

Actually, I'd claim it as less meaningful since DAI's "lifecycle" was at the very end when this competition came up. In fact, it's kind of interesting that DAI was even in this batch, because of that.

SoM, A:I and DAI all released within about a month of each other.

[dreamgazer]

Tell that to Elhanan....
 
I mean, 130+ GOTY Awards means something right? Or are they meaningless? Which one is it?

I don't put much stock in year-end awards of any sort, but there's only so much denying you can do in the face of that much acknowledgment of a game's quality.