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[Jaison1986]

I'm somewhat disappointed they choose the baron quest as the most memorable moment in the witcher 3, and it actually won the award. The best moment in my opinion is the Ciri goodbye if she becomes empress. Easily the most emotional moment in the entire game. 

 

And meeting Hawke in Inquisition was also far from the best moment (not a bad one, mind you), when you have much better ones, like the dawn will come, the assault at adamant, or the Solas confrontation in Trespasser (well, not sure if a DLC moment is considered valid in this contest).

[DragonKingReborn]

How the hell does Witcher 3 beat Pillars of Eternity and Life is Strange for best Storytelling?
 

Because 'boobs', that's how. In other words...it's not.

I detest consumer voted awards...in anything really. Because consumers have no idea what is good, only what they like, and the two are often mutually exclusive. Note the ongoing and bewildering popularity of "reality tv". Note Justin Bieber earning millions for his "music". Or Transformers earning 1 billion dollars at the box office.

Is The Witcher 3 a good game? Absolutely.

Is it a great game? I think so.

Better than Inquisition? Not in my book, but that's not the issue.

As others have said, these types of awards are nothing more than popularity contests. A nice pat on the back for the winners, but completely irrelevant in terms of determining quality. Would anyone...at all...care about the Oscars if the movie going public (of America only) were the ones deciding?

Gaming needs less awards, and for those awards that remain to have greater credibility.

[DragonKingReborn]

I'm somewhat disappointed they choose the baron quest as the most memorable moment in the witcher 3, and it actually won the award. The best moment in my opinion is the Ciri goodbye if she becomes empress. Easily the most emotional moment in the entire game. 
 
And meeting Hawke in Inquisition was also far from the best moment (not a bad one, mind you), when you have much better ones, like the dawn will come, the assault at adamant, or the Solas confrontation in Trespasser (well, not sure if a DLC moment is considered valid in this contest).

They possibly chose the baron because everyone has to complete that quest to progress. Fewer players will have seen that ending. Like me...who was not aware that it could happen.....

[Al Foley]

I think ultimatley when it comes to DA I being a better game then Witcher 3 there has to be two considerations that I just thought of actually.  I feel for far more connected to the world then I do.  Which is ironic because I feel the world of the Witcher is more alive.  But I never really cared what happened to it.  Not too much, not like I care about what is going on in the DA verse.  Probably this has to do with the aborted character arcs, the characters in the Witcher 3 with the exception of the big 4 all felt like they just cut out half way through the game and the end of their character arcs did not make any sense.  In DA all major characters got ends to their respective arcs.  

 

Secondly.  There is no reason to care.  I mean this is related to the first but there is no real philosophical motivation to the series.  Ironically the biggest draw to the game, for me, 'the world doesen't need a hero it needs a professional' was probably the thing that sunk the game the most.  There was no real philosophical messages aside from the standard 'humanity is grim dark', and you could not do anything about that...unlike in DA.  DA is far more philosophical, political, and religious in its messages in over tone.  

 

Add in a horribly weak main villain, for the most part horribly weak secondary villains, and terribly flat footed Geralt going on exploration made a 'great game' into a 'great game which is not as good as DA I'.  

 

I also have to wonder if this thread and the two sides in the debate, well two of the sides in the debate 'DA I won a lot of journalism awards so it must be better' 'no Witcher 3 wins voter approved awards so it must be better' says about people's politics.  I could care less how many awards either one wins.  I do not need some journalist or a billion people to justify my opinion.  To me DA I is the better game, to me DA I is the best game I have ever played.  And I am looking forward to more. 

[Morty Smith]

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I also have to wonder if this thread and the two sides in the debate, well two of the sides in the debate 'DA I won a lot of journalism awards so it must be better' 'no Witcher 3 wins voter approved awards so it must be better' says about people's politics.  I could care less how many awards either one wins.  I do not need some journalist or a billion people to justify my opinion.  To me DA I is the better game, to me DA I is the best game I have ever played.  And I am looking forward to more. 

 

Have another written like.

[Majestic Jazz]

Cherry picking, gotta love it.
 

Actually, I'd claim it as less meaningful since DAI's "lifecycle" was at the very end when this competition came up. In fact, it's kind of interesting that DAI was even in this batch, because of that.

SoM, A:I and DAI all released within about a month of each other.

 

 

That is such a weak excuse!

 

Mass Effect 2 won the 2010 Golden Joystick GOTY award and it came out in January of 2010 which is only a 2 month difference from DAI's November release.

 

ALSO, even though DAI released in late 2014, it still released THREE story DLCs throughout 2015 as well as a major patch. So please do not use that excuse that DAI was at the "end" of it's lifecyle when it only came to the end of it's life cycle only recently with the release of Trespasser which was well received. In fact, Jaws of Hakkon released on the PS3/PS4/360 the same month TW3 came out and it STILL had two DLCs left to be released. So there was a moment in which both DAI and TW3 were competing against each other as TW3 just released and DAI was still releasing content. 

[Jaison1986]

I think ultimatley when it comes to DA I being a better game then Witcher 3 there has to be two considerations that I just thought of actually.  I feel for far more connected to the world then I do.  Which is ironic because I feel the world of the Witcher is more alive.  But I never really cared what happened to it.  Not too much, not like I care about what is going on in the DA verse.  Probably this has to do with the aborted character arcs, the characters in the Witcher 3 with the exception of the big 4 all felt like they just cut out half way through the game and the end of their character arcs did not make any sense.  In DA all major characters got ends to their respective arcs.  

 

Secondly.  There is no reason to care.  I mean this is related to the first but there is no real philosophical motivation to the series.  Ironically the biggest draw to the game, for me, 'the world doesen't need a hero it needs a professional' was probably the thing that sunk the game the most.  There was no real philosophical messages aside from the standard 'humanity is grim dark', and you could not do anything about that...unlike in DA.  DA is far more philosophical, political, and religious in its messages in over tone.  

 

Add in a horribly weak main villain, for the most part horribly weak secondary villains, and terribly flat footed Geralt going on exploration made a 'great game' into a 'great game which is not as good as DA I'.  

 

I also have to wonder if this thread and the two sides in the debate, well two of the sides in the debate 'DA I won a lot of journalism awards so it must be better' 'no Witcher 3 wins voter approved awards so it must be better' says about people's politics.  I could care less how many awards either one wins.  I do not need some journalist or a billion people to justify my opinion.  To me DA I is the better game, to me DA I is the best game I have ever played.  And I am looking forward to more. 

 

I'm not sure were you are trying to get. You mean you have an unpopular opinion? 

 

I consider GTA Vice city the greastest game of all time, even if it's an museum piece. Doesn't mean I get all bitter when people disagree or say they think other games are better.

[Al Foley]

Have another written like.

Eh?

 

 

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Something else just occured to me.     My opinion to Witcher 3 oddly enough mirrors my opinion of DA 2.  Granted I think Witcher 3 is the much better game but it does occur to me.  I loved Novigrad, thought the quests there were some of the most amazing and intense quests in gaming and it was full of intrigue, mystery, and good character moments.  But then I got to Skellige essentially the 'end of the game' and it was good but it was nowhere near Novigrad's levels of awesome.  If the rest of the Witcher 3 was as well written as Novigrad and to an extent Velen...I think I would be torn on whihc one is the best game.  Like in DA 2 I thought Act 2, by itself, at the time, could have been my favorite game of all time, I LOVED Act 2, but then Act 3 came...and really ruined it.  

[Eelectrica]

How the hell does Witcher 3 beat Pillars of Eternity and Life is Strange for best Storytelling?

 

Heck how does "Saving Kate" in Life is Strange not win Best Gaming Moment? (though personally I'd have voted for the Fingergun FIght from Tales from the Borderlands

I've played both and Preferred Witcher 3's story overall. The other thing going against Pillars is being PC only. A lot of voters won't even have looked, or be even interested in Pillars.

I've got LiS and now it's all complete, I'll have to play it. Same deal with TFTBL

[Al Foley]

I'm not sure were you are trying to get. You mean you have an unpopular opinion? 

 

I consider GTA Vice city the greastest game of all time, even if it's an museum piece. Doesn't mean I get all bitter when people disagree or say they think other games are better.

...Did I sound bitter?

[Ariella]

I also have to wonder if this thread and the two sides in the debate, well two of the sides in the debate 'DA I won a lot of journalism awards so it must be better' 'no Witcher 3 wins voter approved awards so it must be better' says about people's politics.  I could care less how many awards either one wins.  I do not need some journalist or a billion people to justify my opinion.  To me DA I is the better game, to me DA I is the best game I have ever played.  And I am looking forward to more.

Agreed, I could care less for the awards, I generally like what I like, and awards be damned.

I just get so tired with people coming here and using any pretext to pound on the game. This is just another example.

[Jaison1986]

...Did I sound bitter?

 

Your last statement sounded pretty bitter to me.

[Majestic Jazz]

To me DA I is the better game, to me DA I is the best game I have ever played.  And I am looking forward to more. 

 

Well you better just keep playing DAI then cause DA4 will not be a copy & paste of DAI. That I can tell you is 100% fact as it is the standard for Bioware to keep changing and modifying things especially given the feedback that has been given on DAI's flaws/shortcomings, DA4 could be a totally different experience than that of DAI. That is why despite me hating DAI, I am actually excited for DA4 and cannot wait for it's reveal. 

[Al Foley]

Your last statement sounded pretty bitter to me.

Oops.  Didn't mean to sound bitter.  

 

Well you better just keep playing DAI then cause DA4 will not be a copy & paste of DAI. That I can tell you is 100% fact as it is the standard for Bioware to keep changing and modifying things. That is why despite me hating DAI, I am actually excited for DA4 and cannot wait for it's reveal. 

We have had this conversation, more then once.  I do not want it to be a copy past job.  I do not expect it to be a copy paste job.  I think it may be a copy paste job may be a horrible idea.  I am very tolerant and have a wide variety of tastes when it comes to what I look for in terms of gaming, story, gameplay, characters, and I can accept and tolerate a lot.  My previous favorite game to DA I was ME 2.  Before that it was Ace Combat 5.  And one of the reasons why DA I is my undisputed favorite is because of Trespassers.  A mostly linear experience with great story content as opposed to the more open world of DA I proper.  

[Majestic Jazz]

A mostly linear experience with great story content as opposed to the more open world of DA I proper.  

 

Given the feedback of both DAI and Trespasser, expect DA4 to be more along the lines of Trespasser, which is a more tighter narrative that is heavy on cinematics and light on exploration. Now just imagine if DAI vanilla was more like Trespasser, even in the sidequest.....

 

At minimum, if DAI had more cinematics then I believe I probably could have enjoyed the game more. I guess this is why TW3 initially appealed to me cause even the most minuscule sidequest was fully cinematic and visually immersive. 

[DragonKingReborn]

Well you better just keep playing DAI then cause DA4 will not be a copy & paste of DAI. That I can tell you is 100% fact as it is the standard for Bioware to keep changing and modifying things. That is why despite me hating DAI, I am actually excited for DA4 and cannot wait for it's reveal.

I don't think anyone expects DA4 to be a copy and paste of Inquisition. What would be nice is iteration, rather than another complete overhaul. I've never played Mass Effect, but from what I've seen, they were largely similar in gameplay with tweaks here and there and incremental graphical improvements. This should have been the mantra from Origins onward, rather than the complete change we've had from one major release to the next.

Even though Origins is one of my favourite games of all time, I never expected (or wanted) future games to be carbon copies with plo and character changes. Just don't change everything.

Familiarity can breed contentment.

Dammit. Ninja'd.

Modifié par DragonKingReborn, 31 octobre 2015 - 01:44 .

[Dabrikishaw]

I'm entirely certain this thread wouldn't be here if the 2014 released Dragon Age: Inquisition weren't somehow nominated for a 2015 release contest.

[Majestic Jazz]

I don't think anyone expects DA4 to be a copy and paste of Inquisition. What would be nice is iteration, rather than another complete overhaul. I've never played Mass Effect, but from what I've seen, they were largely similar in gameplay with tweaks here and there and incremental graphical improvements. This should have been the mantra from Origins onward, rather than the complete change we've had from one major release to the next.

Even though Origins is one of my favourite games of all time, I never expected (or wanted) future games to be carbon copies with plo and character changes. Just don't change everything.

Familiarity can breed contentment.

Dammit. Ninja'd.

 

 

Difference between ME and DA is that the ME trilogy had a identity. The writers and artist all knew the look and feel of the game. So while playing ME3, it still looked like and felt like ME1 in many ways. Now with DA, the series has no identity as each game looks completely different from the previous. Just take the look of the Qunari and Elves and how they keep changing each game. Just take a look at the rusty and gritty look of DAO and compare they to the bright and shiny/sterile look of DAI. There isn't a consistent "look" and feel to DA.

[Al Foley]

Given the feedback of both DAI and Trespasser, expect DA4 to be more along the lines of Trespasser, which is a more tighter narrative that is heavy on cinematics and light on exploration. Now just imagine if DAI vanilla was more like Trespasser, even in the sidequest.....

 

PRaise the ****** Maker.  As much as I enjoyed DA Is open world and the questing in it, it did get a little repetitive and I want more story and more companion content.  DA Is story to me was pretty awesome just there was so little of it. 

I don't think anyone expects DA4 to be a copy and paste of Inquisition. What would be nice is iteration, rather than another complete overhaul. I've never played Mass Effect, but from what I've seen, they were largely similar in gameplay with tweaks here and there and incremental graphical improvements. This should have been the mantra from Origins onward, rather than the complete change we've had from one major release to the next.

Even though Origins is one of my favourite games of all time, I never expected (or wanted) future games to be carbon copies with plo and character changes. Just don't change everything.

Familiarity can breed contentment.

Dammit. Ninja'd.

Well ME 1 and ME 2 are entirely different games.  In terms of gameplay and pretty much everything else.  ME 3 though was an iteration and refinement.  And not to beat a dead horse but I think if they made Origins the template I would have gouged my eyes out.  Hell they did not completly throw the baby out with the bathwater when making DA I.  The game does really tend to mix Origins and DA 2 int erms of gameplay, now the idea just needs refinement.  

 

I mean this is the one reason I think DA I does not bother me as much as most people.  Most of the changes they should make in DA 4, the 'eight slot limit' for instance, which is a hill to die on for most people is something I am not too concerned about given they have done that sort of thing before. To me its a minor change and a minor propblem to fix. 

[Jaison1986]

Given the feedback of both DAI and Trespasser, expect DA4 to be more along the lines of Trespasser, which is a more tighter narrative that is heavy on cinematics and light on exploration. Now just imagine if DAI vanilla was more like Trespasser, even in the sidequest.....

 

At minimum, if DAI had more cinematics then I believe I probably could have enjoyed the game more. I guess this is why TW3 initially appealed to me cause even the most minuscule sidequest was fully cinematic and visually immersive. 

 

I actually hope DA4 will follow more in line with DA2. Tighter maps were you don't need to walk around as much and focusing on side quests with more unique stories. Of course with much more detail and life to world. And focus more on city maps instead of boring wilderness.

[Al Foley]

Difference between ME and DA is that the ME trilogy had a identity. The writers and artist all knew the look and feel of the game. So while playing ME3, it still looked like and felt like ME1 in many ways. Now with DA, the series has no identity as each game looks completely different from the previous. Just take the look of the Qunari and Elves and how they keep changing each game. Just take a look at the rusty and gritty look of DAO and compare they to the bright and shiny/sterile look of DAI. There isn't a consistent "look" and feel to DA.

DAs identity comes in writing, and tone, and philosophical messages more then gameplay.  Which is all I care about.  I could care less what the gameplay is from game to game as long it A. is enjoyable.  B. has the dialog wheel. and C. has voiced Protagonists as long as the story flows from one installment to the next.  Which it does quite well.  Which is amazing because there is more then one indication that DA O was supposed to be the only installment in the franchise.  

[dreamgazer]

ME2 was a pretty different experience than ME1, all points considered, from switching to "bullets" and the deep streamlining of skill trees to the intense focus on personal loyalty missions.

[DragonKingReborn]

I mean this is the one reason I think DA I does not bother me as much as most people.  Most of the changes they should make in DA 4, the 'eight slot limit' for instance, which is a hill to die on for most people is something I am not too concerned about given they have done that sort of thing before. To me its a minor change and a minor propblem to fix.

Assuming they see it as a mistake...

The 8 ability limit doesn't bother me as mush as the "tactics" screen does. But yeah, assuming they choose to do so, likely an easy fix.

[Al Foley]

You know to me the only bad guys in Witcher 3 that were done well at all were the Crones of Crookback bog.  So creepy.  So awesome.  

 

[Elhanan]

130+ GOTY awards that were won during a weak year. And yes, you may not believe 2014 to be weak as of course it is "opinion" but please, do not sit there with a straight face and tell me that DAI would have still gotten 130+ GOTY Awards if it had to go up against Fallout 4, Witcher 3, MGS5, and Halo 5 all in the same year. Would it have gotten GOTY awards? Sure, but 130+? I doubt it. In fact, NO GAME in 2015 will get 130+ GOTY awards which just shows you how tight it will be. I believe Fallout 4 will get a large chunk of the awards, but not 130+.

Wouldn't know; FO4 ain't out yet....

Bias, prejudice, and opinion =/= fact.