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[straykat]

Newest EA report:

http://www.ea.com/ne...nancial-results

An excerpt:
 

 

What's the point of this? It's EA. They make money and a lot of games. News at 11.

[Elhanan]

Thats over all and not inquisition alone.

Agreed, but this is the best I have found. And DA appears to be the one title I own. Others may be better able to explain as to why.

[Xetykins]

Agreed, but this is the best I have found. And DA appears to be the one title I own. Others may be better able to explain as to why.

Not that I care. As long as they made enough money to make an outstanding DA4, I'm good.

[Ariella]

Was Witcher 3 better then DAI yes and no.
 
The story in Witcher 3 was better. However I enjoyed the romance in DAI more.
 
There are things in Witcher 3 that did do better then DAI and there are things DAI did do better then The Witcher 3.
 
Problem is not that Bioware cannot do no right, the problem is they tend to focus on one aspect, then explode into a hot mess.
 
Take for example Bioware doing a semi open world concept. Yes, its pretty, oh ah look at the water. But if you spend more time focused on how the water looks or a tree and pay no heed to how wishy-wash and swiss cheese filled the main story is then there is a problem.
 
For as much good DAI has going it has just as much bad.
 
Witcher 3 took what two years and some months to create, yet the game felt far more polished then DAI which took three years.
 
And lets not forget The Witcher 3 having an addictive card game: Gwent.

Gah, Gwent was just wrong... I'd rather play Hearthstone, which I don't play either

I have no trouble with legitimate constructive critisism, for every one of those I've seen five DAI/Bioware suxs CDPR rules.

And actually DA2 came out in March 2011 and TW 2 came out in May the same year. Plus DAI came out in Nov 2014, where as TW3 came out in May 2015. Add in Bioware switching to a third party engine whereas TW3 was an engine designed for the game by CDPR. Knowing the nuts and bolts of the engine would have been a huge advantage, but Bioware had to burn time learning Frostbite and developing new systems for it.

I rented TW3 for two weeks, as I do with most games I'm on the fence about. After that I returned the game and decided it wasn't worth buying at full price.

It's pretty, but I hated the open world. Far too much like Skyrim for my taste, including running across high level monsters out of nowhere so I get gacked, when I'm trying to get to quest objectives. Bioware's approach suits me better. Large chunks that are level specific.

I found DAI's story more enjoyable, especially since I could invest myself in the characters, unlike TW3.

Also found TW3 to be heavy handed in areas, which annoyed me.

Combat drove me nuts. I hate have to tap sequences to activate skills. Give me one skill mapped to one button and I'm happy.

The last is I had absolutely no investment in any of the characters. Ciri was okay but mostly because I like Jo Wyatt. Geralt never felt like he was mine, though he was better than Talion. Talion's saving grace was HIS voice actor, but it wasn't enough for me to feel attached.

As I said, legitimate critisism is fine as long as it's stated as opinion not fact, and as long as it's presented in a constructive manner.

I remember the boards during DA2 very well, I'd rather not go back to that. I left until DAI came out, if that gives you an idea how uncomfortable I was being here.

[Realmzmaster]

Who says winning awards and financial success does not go hand in hand?
This is just the first 6 weeks. Look at their net profit that they actually made public.


http://m.ign.com/art...n-first-6-weeks

While EA never released any figures ( which was odd because they were all over the place when DAO reached tripple platinum and when it sold 5 million copies) here is the investors report made public just weeks after the game game out.

 

Because winning awards and financial success do not always go hand in hand. Planescape Torment is an example of that. PST was critically acclaimed but financially barely broke even.

 

It is good that CDPR has both acclaim and financial success with the Witcher, but so did Bioware with DAI.  The point is there are a lot of games, movies and books that have been critically acclaimed but did not meet expectations, barely broke even or lost money (did not cover development cost).

 

Financially successful endeavors usually get sequels  Critically acclaimed endeavors do not get sequels unless they are also financially successful.

[straykat]

Because winning awards and financial success do not always go hand in hand. Planescape Torment is an example of that. PST was critically acclaimed but financially barely broke even.

 

It is good that CDPR has both acclaim and financial success with the Witcher, but so did Bioware with DAI.  The point is there are a lot of games, movies and books that have been critically acclaimed but did not meet expectations, barely broke even or lost money (did not cover development cost).

 

Financially successful endeavors usually get sequels  Critically acclaimed endeavors do not get sequels unless they are also financially successful.

 

I don't know what success either of them have. I know Witcher made the NPD charts at least.. DAI never managed that, even with all of it's discounts. And they are willing to get into hard numbers on the cost of the game (around $80 million). EA is more vague, but both are vague on sales.

[Ariella]

Who says winning awards and financial success does not go hand in hand?
This is just the first 6 weeks. Look at their net profit that they actually made public.http://m.ign.com/art...n-first-6-weeks
While EA never released any figures ( which was odd because they were all over the place when DAO reached tripple platinum and when it sold 5 million copies) here is the investors report made public just weeks after the game game out.https://youtu.be/_MyMiT4OUy4

Why are you getting the earnings call from youtube?

http://investor.ea.c...ings_Script.pdf

It's right there, directly from the source.

[Realmzmaster]

I don't know what success either of them have. I know Witcher made the NPD charts at least.. DAI never managed that, even with all of it's discounts. And they are willing to get into hard numbers on the cost of the game (around $80 million). EA is more vague, but both are vague on sales.

 

 Both seemed to have made enough money for dlc to be produced. So I can only assume that DAI made enough money or met expectations for EA to greenlight the dlc.

[straykat]

 Both seemed to have made enough money for dlc to be produced. So I can only assume that DAI made enough money or met expectations for EA to greenlight the dlc.

 

Like I said, it's vague. I don't know how to talk about it without seeing numbers. Which we'll probably never see.

 

If someone is posting EA reports though, and trying to latch DAI on to all of that, I think it's a mistake. FIFA alone is the biggest selling sports game in the world.

[Xetykins]

Why are you getting the earnings call from youtube? http://investor.ea.c...ings_Script.pdf
It's right there, directly from the source.

If you actually bothered to look at it, it's CDP's investors report/meeting they recorded and made public on the success of TW3. Its in polish but they translated it for everyone to understand.

[Ariella]

Both seemed to have made enough money for dlc to be produced. So I can only assume that DAI made enough money or met expectations for EA to greenlight the dlc.

EA credits it as being a major reason for its success third quarter 2015 in the earnings call. The link I posted goes directly to the transcript. DAI gets mentioned in the same breath as two of their big sports titles. RPGs just don't DO that generally.

[straykat]

EA credits it as being a major reason for its success third quarter 2015 in the earnings call.

 

Then why didn't it make the NPD charts? Or last year? It doesn't make sense to me.

 

I understand getting moderate success, but being a major reason to move a publisher like that? Games that are major successes for publishers are the kind they brag and gloat about with numbers.

[Ariella]

If you actually bothered to look at it, it's CDP's investors report/meeting they recorded and made public on the success of TW3. Its in polish but they translated it for everyone to understand.

Honestly I don't give about TW3, especially since EA makes its earning call public as well, re link, and DAI gets mentioned with some really big boys. I'd rather get my information from the source than youtube.

Get me something directly from an official cdpr source like their earnings cal, posted on their own site, then I'll compare.

[Kabraxal]

I'm still laughing that TW3 gets best writing when it is stock dark fantasy cliches... granted, slightly better written than most dark fantasy trash, but it still isn't as good as people seem to think.  But what was even dumber is visual design... give me a break.  TW3 is all cliche and no actual feeling of history just by looking at the world.  DA:O and Ori and so many others were so vividly designed that this wasn't even a contest if the fans had a brain.  

 

At least Ori got best audio... can't argue there though I think DA:I was amazing. Ori was really really special in that respect.

 

But the overall best moment listing sucked overall... the best DA:I moments weren't in there.  Ori wasn't nominated for several of its poignant moments.  I mean, of that list I guess the Bloody Baron is a good choice, but it wasn't the best moment in gaming this year at all.  

 

At least it isn't as insulting as GoT winning an emmy period, let alone with its most dreadful season to date.  

[straykat]

I'm still laughing that TW3 gets best writing when it is stock dark fantasy cliches...

 

Maybe because hardly anyone even touches dark fantasy (I don't know about W3 though). If I'm gonna go for cliche, it's not going to be high fantasy at least (which is what DAI taps into more than the other DA games.. especially DA2). It's full on TES writing, with a mysterious mark and a prisoner turned savior and "ancient evil" bent on world domination.

[Ariella]

Then why didn't it make the NPD charts? Or last year? It doesn't make sense to me.
 
I understand getting moderate success, but being a major reason to move a publisher like that? Games that are major successes for publishers are the kind they brag and gloat about with numbers.

Did you bother to read the earnings call? And at the time EA had banners and a bunch of other things out trumpeting the success. Plus it gets mentioned in the Q4 report, where EA admits holding the game back to Nov was a good idea.

You don't tell your investors that kind of stuff in an earnings call if it's untrue.

NDP is vgcharts, right? As I understand it, they don't track electronic sales. There was a whole thing about it when TW3 came out, and someone rolled out those numbers as proof.

Discusion about it in this thread.

http://forum.bioware...s#entry17975554

[straykat]

Did you bother to read the earnings call? And at the time EA had banners and a bunch of other things out trumpeting the success. Plus it gets mentioned in the Q4 report, where EA admits holding the game back to Nov was a good idea.

You don't tell your investors that kind of stuff in an earnings call if it's untrue.

NDP is vgcharts, right? As I understand it, they don't track electronic sales. There was a whole thing about it when TW3 came out, and someone rolled out those numbers as proof.

Discusion about it in this thread.

http://forum.bioware...s#entry17975554

 

NPD is not Vgchartz. It's an official multi-industry publication (not just games).

 

That earnings link is no better than a press release. Nothing detailed about sales.

 

I understand liking the game, but I'm just encouraging more data.. and you to be more savvy.

[Kabraxal]

Maybe because hardly anyone even touches dark fantasy (I don't know about W3 though). If I'm gonna go for cliche, it's not going to be high fantasy at least (which is what DAI taps into more than the other DA games.. especially DA2). It's full on TES writing, with a mysterious mark and a prisoner turned savior and "ancient evil" bent on world domination.

BAHAHAHAHAHA!  No one touches dark fantasy?  You must not be paying attention if you really believe that.  High fantasy is hardly cliche in this day and age... if you said this around 2000, you might have had a point, but dark fantasy has been ruining fantasy since sadly. 

 

And Skyrim is less high fantasy as well... christ, several of its factions and the fact you can murder anyone sort of destroys that little point easily.  

 

Do you actually know what dark and high fantasy are? Because so far you really don't seem to understand the distinction.

[straykat]

BAHAHAHAHAHA!  No one touches dark fantasy?  You must not be paying attention if you really believe that.  High fantasy is hardly cliche in this day and age... if you said this around 2000, you might have had a point, but dark fantasy has been ruining fantasy since sadly. 

 

And Skyrim is less high fantasy as well... christ, several of its factions and the fact you can murder anyone sort of destroys that little point easily.  

 

Do you actually know what dark and high fantasy are? Because so far you really don't seem to understand the distinction.

 

Name me one? I'm honestly curious. I can't think of many in games. Most of it is high fantasy.

 

Is it really that funny... or are you just typing out a laugh? I'm glad to amuse you, but I thought I was being pretty dry.

[Xetykins]

NPD is not Vgchartz. It's an official multi-industry publication (not just games).
 
That earnings link is no better than a press release. Nothing detailed about sales.
 
I understand liking the game, but I'm just encouraging more data.. and you to be more savvy.

Indeed. Something like this. As in a specific game and not lump it up with the really big fishies like NFL

http://investor.ea.c...eleaseid=443674

[Al Foley]

Game of Thrones is Dark Fantasy and it has been adapted into a game series. 

[straykat]

Game of Thrones is Dark Fantasy and it has been adapted into a game series. 

 

Is it? I always associated dark fantasy with more horror stuff. Not simply mature themes. Most of GoT is fairly mundane and political. Like a more fantastic historical fiction. While DA is still high fantasy, but with mature themes. "Murder" doesn't qualify.

[Al Foley]

Game of Thrones is certainly horrorific.  

[Ariella]

NPD is not Vgchartz. It's an official multi-industry publication (not just games).
 
That earnings link is no better than a press release. Nothing detailed about sales.
 
I understand liking the game, but I'm just encouraging more data.. and you to be more savvy.

Ea doesn't release any sales. Period, end if story, and unless you think a) EA is going to lie directly to its investors and that Madden and Fifa, which are mentioned in the same breath didn't do well because sales, I'm going to call you.

And is it this npd?
https://www.npd.com/...al/npd/us/home/

It's a for pay service if that's what you're talking about. It totes 165,000 stores and says something vague about collecting electronic data, but doesn't really go into detail how.

[straykat]

Game of Thrones is certainly horrorific.  

 

Sadistic, more like. The only horror elements are the Whitewalkers, but lie on the edges of the story. It's all about their buildup (winter is coming), but you never see the anguish or brooding nature of a horror story. Lovecraft is considered a big standard for dark fantasy, for example. Last I checked.