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[Xetykins]

GoT also did not translate well as a game apparently. Not even their tv series success helped them there.

[Eelectrica]

Not that I care. As long as they made enough money to make an outstanding DA4, I'm good.

I know that's all I want.

I get that the combat system isn't to every one's taste. Hell playing on Death March theirs been times when my mouse has almost gone sailing through the monitor. But I adapt.

Turn based, RTWP, real time, I adapt if the game and story interests me.

[Kabraxal]

Is it? I always associated dark fantasy with more horror stuff. Not simply mature themes. Most of GoT is fairly mundane and political. Like a more fantastic historical fiction. While DA is still high fantasy, but with mature themes. "Murder" doesn't qualify.

Dark fantasy can be horror, but it is generally when the world is filled with rape, death, misery, and characters that are broken and have very few redeeming qualities... Game of Thrones, Sword of Truth, Abercrombie's works, many an urban fantasy falls to this... The Walking Dead.  I mean, there is a slew of such media and much have crossed over with gaming.  

 

Inquisition actually is less high fantasy than it is dark fantasy with the themes it wrestles with.  It just happens to be better balanced and not drown in hopelessness to the point you want the world to burn.... TW3 is a better dark fantasy than most, I'll admit.  Doesn't take much though.  TW2 is a clear showcase of the worst cliches of that sub genre... TW3 improved on it but it still falls to mindless violence, misery, and a ham fisted immature approach to religion to be called a truly great case of writing.  

[straykat]

Ea doesn't release any sales. Period, end if story, and unless you think a) EA is going to lie directly to its investors and that Madden and Fifa, which are mentioned in the same breath didn't do well because sales, I'm going to call you.

And is it this npd?
https://www.npd.com/...al/npd/us/home/

It's a for pay service if that's what you're talking about. It totes 165,000 stores and says something vague about collecting electronic data, but doesn't really go into detail how.

 

They're marketing research. There's lots of groups like that, so there isn't much to know. They just have one of the largest networks.

 

As for the whole "period/end of story" speech, I don't know what you're trying to do there. I'm just trying to talk about what would be important to talk about "success". Without it, it's vague. You don't have to get defensive. And it isn't going to help win me over by saying "Fifa" was mentioned in the same sentence. I don't know what it's supposed to say.

[Al Foley]

Sadistic, more like. The only horror elements are the Whitewalkers, but lie on the edges of the story. It's all about their buildup (winter is coming), but you never see the anguish or brooding nature of a horror story. Lovecraft is considered a big standard for dark fantasy, for example. Last I checked.

Yeah but when Winter Comes, its gonna Come.  

 

Anyways though if you are talking about body horror then no Witcher 3 does not have a lot of that.  Heck even DA I has more body horror then the Witcher.  

[Ariella]

GoT also did not translate well as a game apparently. Not even their tv series success helped them there.

Generally books don't translate well. The mediums just don't mesh. The Krondor games were much the same.

[Xetykins]

Honestly I don't give about TW3, especially since EA makes its earning call public as well, re link, and DAI gets mentioned with some really big boys. I'd rather get my information from the source than youtube.
Get me something directly from an official cdpr source like their earnings cal, posted on their own site, then I'll compare.

Here.
https://www.cdprojek...eldowe/Okresowe

[straykat]

Here.
https://www.cdprojek...eldowe/Okresowe

 

My bad. So they actually have numbers. They earned $63 million in profit in the first 6 weeks (on an $81 mill game). That was around August.

[Ariella]

They're marketing research. There's lots of groups like that, so there isn't much to know. They just have one of the largest networks.
 
As for the whole "period/end of story" speech, I don't know what you're trying to do there. I'm just trying to talk about what would be important to talk about "success". Without it, it's vague. You don't have to get defensive.

Considering you told be to be a bit more 'savy', which was pretty condesending . I have a right to be annoyed with your tone.

Vague doesn't matter. If DAI was only a moderate success it wouldn't have gotten mentioned that it played a part in the success of one of the biggest video game companies on the planet during that quarter. And in the next one as well.

Why mention to their investors that a game from a niche market at all if it wasn't important to how EA did. Why mention holding it back was the right thing to do if the game didn't have an impact on profits?

This isn't CoD or a sports title, and DA doesn't have the brand recognition of a Mass Effect. Plus the franchise was coming off what happened with DA2. Yet somehow it did well enough to be mentioned prominently witn FIFA and Madden, not tucked back somewhere in fine print.

Add to that DAI is Bioware's biggest launch ever. Thus did better than DAO by default

And the 'end if story' is that EA doesn't release for any title, even its biggest sellers. so running around claiming vague, just seems like you're looking for justifications to prove DAI didn't do well for EA.

And unlike CDPR, EA produces any number of titles. That a niche market title gets singled out not once but twice says something.

[Xetykins]

My bad. So they actually have numbers. They earned $63 million in profit in the first 6 weeks (on an $81 mill game). That was around August.

June

[straykat]

Considering you told be to be a bit more 'savy', which was pretty condesending . I have a right to be annoyed with your tone.

 

It's more of a knock on these type of reports than you. I wouldn't bother even putting it that way though, if I didn't think you were capable.

[Xetykins]

Add to that DAI is Bioware's biggest launch ever. Thus did better than DAO by default
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They never did a launch report for DAO. Just copies sold some months after release. There is a difference.

[correctamundo]

They never did a launch report for DAO. Just copies sold some months after release. There is a difference.

 

Don't you think that EA knows how many copies were sold for those games? So they can make that comparison? And Blake Jorgensens words are best Bioware launch BY FAR.

 

"Outperformance versus our outlook was driven by the record-breaking Dragon Age: Inquisition performance."

 

"This extraordinary performance was led by FIFA 15, Madden NFL 15 and Dragon Age: Inquisition. In particular, Dragon Age: Inquisition had by far the most successful launch in BioWare’s history, exceeding our expectations."

 

In my world by far is not synonymous to less, little or by an inch. Notice the "in particular" about DAI.

[Ariella]

Here.https://www.cdprojek...eldowe/Okresowe

I read this until my eyes bled. The managment board report is much the same as EA earnings call.

Then I read through all the other papers for the Quater, and I think I need a blood transfusion, or at least some orange juice.

The numbers seem to be for all CDProject. It doesn't actually show a detailed sales breakdown for anything. As far as I can make out, it catalogues net gains and losses. The only mention of Witcher I could find was how much they were paying out for the license.

I may have missed something with the bleeding eyes and all.

They do talk market strategy and give numbers on activations through GOG, but I didn't see anything on sales of W3 directly.

Honestly. Anybody got a pint of blood to spare.

They never did a launch report for DAO. Just copies sold some months after release. There is a difference.

That's really strange, but considering DAO was published under the EA aegis, I can't see them not having the numbers internally to be able to make the statement with any kind of confidence. If it were a case like ME where publishers changed I could kind of see the potential for discrepancy, but with both games under EA I'm willing to accept the statement considering I'm pretty sure DA2 was touted as best launch at the time, and while I haven't seen anything directly, if ME3 didn't break that record, I'd be shocked.

I'm not saying Witcher didn't do well. It had to, since until the Cyberpunk title comes out, this is all the division has. And it looks like they had a huge media blitz, which DAI did not, in terms of marketting.

But that's my point. DAI came in with huge handicaps. EA didn't spend money on marketting, the fanbase felt burned by DA2 and ME3, plus rpgs never do as well as more mainstream titles. And it just doesn't have the brand recognition of an ME. I mean they're turning it into an amusement park ride at six flags California.

If DAI was a moderate success in what is a niche market. I can't imagine it would do well enough to be touted the way EA did. Hell, they even admitted that holding the game back was the right thing to do, which seems to me to be a tacit admission they screwed up with rushing DA 2 out the door. Why say all this if it doesn't affect the bottom line positively? Maybe that's credulous of me, but considering that if they're blowing sunshine up their investors asses, the SEC's not going to be happy.

So I can't see them saying these things without there being facts to back it up.

It's more of a knock on these type of reports than you. I wouldn't bother even putting it that way though, if I didn't think you were capable.

Maybe it's because it's too damned early and I just read two very huge finacial reports with lots of numbers and fine print, but are you channelling Mother Giselle?

Okay, I'm going to try and rest my eyes before the rugrats wake up and demand candy.

One last thing. I know that the more traditional style GoT game didn't do great, but I'd forgotten the Telltale series. It probably translatec better to that format. Anyone know?

Happy Halloween all.

[Xetykins]

I read this until my eyes bled. The managment board report is much the same as EA earnings call.
Then I read through all the other papers for the Quater, and I think I need a blood transfusion, or at least some orange juice.
The numbers seem to be for all CDProject. It doesn't actually show a detailed sales breakdown for anything. As far as I can make out, it catalogues net gains and losses. The only mention of Witcher I could find was how much they were paying out for the license.
I may have missed something with the bleeding eyes and all.
They do talk market strategy and give numbers on activations through GOG, but I didn't see anything on sales of W3 directly.
Honestly. Anybody got a pint of blood to spare.

That's really strange, but considering DAO was published under the EA aegis, I can't see them not having the numbers internally to be able to make the statement with any kind of confidence. If it were a case like ME where publishers changed I could kind of see the potential for discrepancy, but with both games under EA I'm willing to accept the statement considering I'm pretty sure DA2 was touted as best launch at the time, and while I haven't seen anything directly, if ME3 didn't break that record, I'd be shocked.
I'm not saying Witcher didn't do well. It had to, since until the Cyberpunk title comes out, this is all the division has. And it looks like they had a huge media blitz, which DAI did not, in terms of marketting.
But that's my point. DAI came in with huge handicaps. EA didn't spend money on marketting, the fanbase felt burned by DA2 and ME3, plus rpgs never do as well as more mainstream titles. And it just doesn't have the brand recognition of an ME. I mean they're turning it into an amusement park ride at six flags California.
If DAI was a moderate success in what is a niche market. I can't imagine it would do well enough to be touted the way EA did. Hell, they even admitted that holding the game back was the right thing to do, which seems to me to be a tacit admission they screwed up with rushing DA 2 out the door. Why say all this if it doesn't affect the bottom line positively? Maybe that's credulous of me, but considering that if they're blowing sunshine up their investors asses, the SEC's not going to be happy.
So I can't see them saying these things without there being facts to back it up.

Maybe it's because it's too damned early and I just read two very huge finacial reports with lots of numbers and fine print, but are you channelling Mother Giselle?
Okay, I'm going to try and rest my eyes before the rugrats wake up and demand candy.
One last thing. I know that the more traditional style GoT game didn't do great, but I'd forgotten the Telltale series. It probably translatec better to that format. Anyone know?
Happy Halloween all.

Considering they have only 1 game series and the other series financial reports went to their prespective years. It's not hard to dissasemble

Ps. My spelling is ghastly

[9TailsFox]

I heard that Life is Strange had some steamy lesbionical moments, is this true?

Yes.

Spoiler

[straykat]

Maybe it's because it's too damned early and I just read two very huge finacial reports with lots of numbers and fine print, but are you channelling Mother Giselle?

Okay, I'm going to try and rest my eyes before the rugrats wake up and demand candy.

One last thing. I know that the more traditional style GoT game didn't do great, but I'd forgotten the Telltale series. It probably translatec better to that format. Anyone know?

Happy Halloween all.

 

Well, it is pretty early. lol. I'm sorry if you feel condescended to. I don't like EA's policy with this.. that's my main point.

 

I haven't played the Telltale GoT game, but I got the first one downloaded. I'll come around to it, but I do love TellTale in general. I haven't hated anything yet. It can't be that bad.

[KingofTime]

The witcher(of all games) beating DAI in these stupid awards is absolute [...]

 

And ori and the blind forest won best audio? What are these people eating?

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[Eelectrica]

The witcher(of all games) beating DAI in these stupid awards is absolute [...]

 

And ori and the blind forest won best audio? What are these people eating?

Deal with it!

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[thats1evildude]

Of course DAI didn't win any Joystick awards. The Witcher fanbase IS larger than the Dragon Age fanbase, and the Witcher 3 came out in May versus DAI's release last November. There's a reason Oscar bait is released near Christmas - it's so those films are freshest in critic's minds.

This still doesn't conclude anything. Often the reason that people prefer Dragon Age is because of the things the Witcher doesn't attempt: the companions, the customizable protagonist, the party banter and the party-based combat.

[straykat]

Of course DAI didn't win any Joystick awards. The Witcher fanbase IS larger than the Dragon Age fanbase, and the Witcher 3 came out in May versus DAI's release last November.

There's a reason Oscar bait is released near Christmas - it's so those films are freshest in critic's minds.

 

Not necessarily though. Last of us and Dark Souls II won some of these categories last year, and were early year releases.

[In Exile]

It went about the way I thought it would. As others have already mentioned DAI was not all that great a game, but 2014 was an exceptionally weak year, and DAI was an highly anticipated game that was shiny and new right at the end of 2014. As a result, it got a ton of awards. I have always felt that DAI getting GOTY was a joke and IMHO this result justifies that feeling. It also confirms (at least in my mind) that when the shine started to wear off of DAI and then the better Witcher-3 came out in 2015, it was essentially game-over for DAI.

This is a strange position (not to single you out - you just have the most vocal post of this tenor). DAI was nominated. It's like saying Mad Men being a phenomenonal drama is a "joke" because Breaking Bad won an emmy. That TW3 is a phenomenal game doesn't mean DAI is a bad one. Look at the comparison games against which DAI competed against - all arguably excellent titles.

[Eelectrica]

Are you certain? I choose not to play TW3 for other reasons, but have seen a bit of the game elsewhere. And from what has been viewed:

* Choice mechanics - not positive what is meant, but for dialogue, Bioware still seems to reign here. For consequences, it would seem bringing such decisions forward is still problematic (eg; TW2 to TW3).
 

Except it isn't. Witcher 2 had 16 possible endings. It would have been impossible to have written W3 to account for everything, and Witcher 2 is better for having the different choices for THAT game.

 

Deus EX: Human Revolution had three different endings, Deus Ex: Mankind Divided doesn't have a save importer, so it would seem they're going to do the same and basically pick the one from HR which allows the best story in MD. Which is exactly the right way to go about it.

 

Hell for X-Com 2 they decided we lost in X-com EU and have built a story around that 'What if' Scenario. Looking forward to it.

[straykat]

This is a strange position (not to single you out - you just have the most vocal post of this tenor). DAI was nominated. It's like saying Mad Men being a phenomenonal drama is a "joke" because Breaking Bad won an emmy. That TW3 is a phenomenal game doesn't mean DAI is a bad one. Look at the comparison games against which DAI competed against - all arguably excellent titles.

 

I think games are more polarizing than those shows though. Just saying.

 

Not to say it's a joke either.. but I think you see more [genuine] haters with most games. And as far as AAA goes, less options to fill said categories. Prime Time drama is oversaturated.

[Eelectrica]

This still doesn't conclude anything. Often the reason that people prefer Dragon Age is because of the things the Witcher doesn't attempt: the companions, the customizable protagonist, the party banter and the party-based combat.

I actually prefer those things myself, but W3 went a different route so I accept it for what it is and enjoy it for that. Still have games like Pillars, and to some extent Divinity OS, and yes even DAI for all it's annoyances for those things as well.