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[PapaCharlie9]

Naw, I only said Leliana was one of the better written, not the best, relatively speaking. I do include Origins, though.

It's worth saying that I don't claim to separate my opinion about writing from my opinion about which characters I happen to like. That's all too tangled up in my mind, so I won't even try. I happen to really like Sera and IB as characters, so I'm the first to admit that my opinion about their writing is suspect. I could probably justify it with a few semi-objective points, but there's just too much I probably couldn't justify.

Blackwall is the counter-example, though. While he is stuck in a formula that doesn't give a lot of room for development, I thought he was written pretty well, all things considered. I despise his character and fist pump when I can banish him after Abyss. Does that mean I'm impartial in everything else? Not a bit. But it gives me some hope I'm not completely biased by who I like and don't like.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Leliana's character development didn't happen until DAI. In DAI, she was allowed to be ruthless, cruel, and superficial, and what's more, there were options to call her out on it. You could even tell her that she was wrong! As I said, it was a vast improvement.

 

There's no opportunity to challenge her assertions in DAI, but she isn't a full companion and as an advisor, there doesn't really need to be.

 

Where you are able to call her out on it unless you mean option to tell her to not kill spy and that is about it pretty much on everything else you can't call her out.

 

Also, what do you mean her character development didn't happen until dai, her CD was shown in dao (leliana song and dao) and in game you could affect her slightly (well in fact a quite a lot if you don't count poor execution until ending) by hardening her.

 

Of course there is, she is your subordinate and if you don't find way she is acting acceptable and in fact what whould any sane boss would (ie disobedience and threats toward boss) there should be option to confront and deal with her. 

[berelinde]

 

 

Where you are able to call her out on it unless you mean option to tell her to not kill spy and that is about it pretty much on everything else you can't call her out.

 

Also, what do you mean her character development didn't happen until dai, her CD was shown in dao (leliana song and dao) and in game you could affect her slightly (well in fact a quite a lot if you don't count poor execution until ending) by hardening her.

 

Of course there is, she is your subordinate and if you don't find way she is acting acceptable and in fact what whould any sane boss would (ie disobedience and threats toward boss) there should be option to confront and deal with her. 

 

After In Your Heart Shall Burn, you can blame her for what happened in Haven. Or maybe it's more accurate to say that you can agree with her when she blames herself. Regardless, a moment or two later, you can shut her up good with "We're better than Corypheus." Seriously, it completely derails your entire conversation. It's very satisfying. Throughout the rest of your relationship, you can choose to be a supportive friend or you can tell her to deal with her problems herself. That's a far cry from DAO.

 

@PapaCharlie: My affection for characters tends to be fairly separate from how well written they are. Within reason. Some characters are just so terrible all around that I can't find anything to like about them (*cough*Tallis*cough*). There are actually very few characters I actively dislike. The list is limited to Tallis, DAO Leliana, Wynne, and Bethany. Wynne made the list because she reminds me of somone IRL who really rubs me the wrong way not because she's poorly written (although I get the feeling that Sheryl may have been new to dialogue writing at that point. Several of Wynne's conversations actually begin with the sentence "Let's talk about <a thing>." Nobody talks like that. It isn't terrible writing, it's just awkward.) Bethany was actually really well written, as in she fulfilled her purpose perfectly... and that's the reason I don't like her. For me to like a character, there has to be conflict of some kind, some friction in their lives or in their relationship with others in the group. Bethany was created with the goal of being the ideal, very agreeable little sister of the protagonist. She was created to be a foil for the aggressive, confrontational, and frequently obnoxious Carver. I loved Carver; Bethany made my teeth ache. So, mission accomplished.

[TheKomandorShepard]

After In Your Heart Shall Burn, you can blame her for what happened in Haven. Or maybe it's more accurate to say that you can agree with her when she blames herself. Regardless, a moment or two later, you can shut her up good with "We're better than Corypheus." Seriously, it completely derails your entire conversation. It's very satisfying. Throughout the rest of your relationship, you can choose to be a supportive friend or you can tell her to deal with her problems herself. That's a far cry from DAO.

It isn't calling her out only agreeing with her about something so pretty much the latter, while second is reaffirming her that she made good decision.Also pretty much this isn't far cry from dao because you can outright tell leliana in dao either to deal with her mentor on her own or after finishing her quest when she starts complain, or be supportive friend and sway her one way or another. In fact from what i recall you can't tell her to shut up and deal with her problem you can only encourage her to take 1 stance or another and occasionally ignore situation like during traitor spy incident.  

[Qun00]

The Requisition Officer

The true villain in this game.

[NKnight7]

Mainly the characters that have appeared in all three games, like Leliana. They've had a lot of screen time and some newer characters should get the spotlight now.

[vbibbi]

Bianca Davri. Because she's awful.

But if she's not in the game, how can we watch her death? Seeing is much more satisfactory to reading about it in a codex or overhearing gossip.

 

"Did you hear about that southern dwarf inventor?"

 

"Yes, I heard her latest invention took out two city blocks. They say a one-armed figure was seen skulking about before the explosion!"

[thats1evildude]

But if she's not in the game, how can we watch her death?

 

Fool. You cannot kill a Mary Sue.

[DuskWanderer]

I do not want to see as many characters as possible. If we're in Tevinter, it's supposed to be almost like a different world, and that means different people. 

 

I do not want to see Dorian. He's supposed to be a pariah, and I want to see the other magisters, the "acceptable" ones. 

[AresKeith]

I do not want to see as many characters as possible. If we're in Tevinter, it's supposed to be almost like a different world, and that means different people. 

 

I do not want to see Dorian. He's supposed to be a pariah, and I want to see the other magisters, the "acceptable" ones. 

 

I guess you didn't play Trespasser then

[DuskWanderer]

I guess you didn't play Trespasser then

No, I played it. That's the point. I want to see the magisters who are not 'pariahs" among their peers. 

[AresKeith]

No, I played it. That's the point. I want to see the magisters who are not 'pariahs" among their peers.  

 

And I'm sure you will along with people in Dorian's faction

[BraveVesperia]

Varric. I don't dislike him, but he's already been stretched one game further than his story warrants. I mean, he was pretty much just a tag-along in DAI, with his one useful thing being to introduce us to Hawke so they can introduce us to the Warden contact. Plus he's a Viscount now, and should stay in Kirkwall doing Viscount things.

 

Also Oghren. But that is just because I dislike him. And unlike Anders or Velanna (who I also dislike), there is nothing interesting that he bring to a new story imo.

[fhs33721]

The Requisition Officer

So much this. This vile creature hands out the worst quests I have ever experienced in any Bioware game up-to-date. And once you actually do them? She just gives you the same dumb quest again, if you aren't very carful while being anywhere near her.

 

Everyone else can return as far as I'm concerned.

[d1ta]

Am I the only one that doesn't really mind returning characters? (Provided they don't take up the companion slot)
So no, I don't really mind whoever makes a return because everyone has their own likes and dislikes as well as preferences.

I think cameos could be welcomed as long as they don't overstay their welcome (too much screen time) and providing some info dump on previous game. And they have to have some function that makes sense to the game.

As for who should (or shouldn't) make the cut? I don't know.
I mean, I dislike Bianca (the person) in DAI, but whose to say she won't get some 'character make over' (in terms of personality/attitude/quest arc and such) in the next DA game that may make me like her a little more? (If they decide to add her into the ingredients, that is).

I noticed Bioware could pull a character's 'flavour' differently from 1 game to another, like: Teagan (wether you agree with him or not, dude made me shocked there for a while). Anders (from skirt chaser to a depressed bomber).

So, I think if they EVER use a returning character (especially if with a character that I like) if they decide to make a tragic arc on it, kindly please create another alternative that can let him/her survive it (and be happy) as well.
(Call me a chicken, but I'm kinda glad they put stroud on that 'warden vs champion' thing )

Edit: +1 for the requisition officer. They could stay in DAI universe and not venture to another game

[Greetsme]

Cole, Sera, and Iron bull are nearly totally ignored in my games.  I feel these 3 characters were desperate attempts to find something different that fell flat on it's face.

[Gileadan]

If the next game is set in Tevinter, Dorian is welcome to return. Everyone else can stay home, please.

[TK514]

The Hero of Ferelden.

[Forsythia77]

Or Sebastian.

Can I kill Sebastian, reanimate his corpse and then kill him again?  That would bring me much joy. I hate him so much. Of course, I see zero reason for him to be in DA4.

[GoldenGail3]

Can I kill Sebastian, reanimate his corpse and then kill him again?  That would bring me much joy. I hate him so much. Of course, I see zero reason for him to be in DA4.

Yeah! I know. Sebs is such a hipercritical and bias person... I REALLY want to do that to both Anders and Sebs, I hate them so much. they're the most hated people in all of DA in my opinion.

[Andromelek]

Yeah! I know. Sebs is such a hipercritical and bias person... I REALLY want to do that to both Anders and Sebs, I hate them so much. they're the most hated people in all of DA in my opinion.

Actually you can make Anders die twice, pitty that Sebastian only gets his ass kicked by Aveline at most.

[GoldenGail3]

Actually you can make Anders die twice, pitty that Sebastian only gets his ass kicked by Aveline at most.

Awakening killing doesn't count as killing. It doesn't, Orghen is most likely the Maker to survive being killed by the Warden in DAO. Then again, he is a special flower so there's that.

And Sebs? I want my Archer Lavellen to kill him. He'll do it, he may not as mean as my Cass romance is, but idiots like Sebs who are super preachy turns him off. And he's gay, a Dorian romance. Ha! If Sebs got killed by Archer, I'd laugh. Artemis Lavellen would kill Sebs by his Enchanter blade that he summons at will. Or Sera kills him. That's even better...

[Ghost Gal]

After three games in a row, I'm so freaking done with Leliana, and even Cullen. 

 

Now that their arcs are complete, could we PLEASE leave them behind (for once) and introduce new characeters, or at least bring back someone else?

 

I also wouldn't mind if Vivienne and Sera didn't return, although I doubt that to be the case with the former.

[thruaglassdarkly]

I'm ready for Leliana to ride off into the sunset with my warden from DA:O.  Its been long enough, and I agree with the general consensus that her arc is finished (frankly I can live without another round of "why can't we romance her" conversation).  Cullen has probably seen enough screen time (given where he started in this series, he's had a surprisingly good run).  Varic has been the dwarf-rouge comic relief long enough for my taste.  I don't see any good way to bring back Hawke again, and it would create all kinds of story problems given Here Lies the Abyss.  And Flemith would be a strange character to reconcile into future games given the way this one ended. I think I'd be fine with anyone else.

[myahele]

Iron Bull, since there's a 50% chance he dies