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[Heimdall]

Who would say they are "legitimate" in the eyes of Tevinter? For us, the Dwarves' idea of social legitimacy based on the gender of the parent and the child looks nonsensical, yet it makes sense in their culture. So I can certainly buy that in an aristocratic magocracy legitimate nobility status is tied to magic.

 

 

That's true. Yet it doesn't predate the concept of "Soporati". The customs of ancient Tevinters and the current words from Dorian support the theory that being an Altus requires being a mage too. Maybe some new information will clarify things, but for now Occam's razor favours this.

While a non-mage offspring may not have altus status persay and likely be excluded from major positions and all but a meager inheritance, I imagine they would still have some higher social status and enjoy some protection from the family.  They still have the same ancestry and could be married off to a more desperate family for political benefit.

[Patchwork]

I'd prefer the main location to be Seheron with quests that take you to Kal Shalrok and Minrathous.

 

It's a mix of Tevinter, Qunari and something unknown. We wouldn't be limited to Tevinter's social structure but it, and the Qunari's, would still have an impact. Plus a semi open world would probably work better with a small island rather than a country as large as Tevinter.    

[Mistic]

Paradox's Byzantine Empire still blows, though, because the politics are all wrong. It takes a special kind of bad to have a whole expansion dedicated to one thing and still get that one thing completely wrong: the Greeks still play like a modified version of France.

 

Sigh, that's true. Trying to force feudal system workings on other cultures is for gameplay reasons only, but hey, not even in history books it's easy to have the Byzantines acknowledged as Romans. I'll take what I can.

 

and I'm reasonably sure that BioWare's gamers don't want to be marble people

 

That I didn't understand. What do you mean?

 

While a non-mage offspring may not have altus status persay and likely be excluded from major positions and all but a meager inheritance, I imagine they would still have some higher social status and enjoy some protection from the family.  They still have the same ancestry and could be married off to a more desperate family for political benefit.

 

Yes, I agree. The matter is that this whole discussion started when someone suggested that the only acceptable origin in DA4 would be human and Altus, because politics. If non-mage children in an Altus family don't get the privileges of the Altus, no matter if they have it reasonably better than others, it would defy the reason the background was suggested in the first place.

[nightscrawl]

Yes, I agree. The matter is that this whole discussion started when someone suggested that the only acceptable origin in DA4 would be human and Altus, because politics. If non-mage children in an Altus family don't get the privileges of the Altus, no matter if they have it reasonably better than others, it would defy the reason the background was suggested in the first place.

As much as I would love to play an altus, we really need to move away from the human noble origin for these games. It's certainly doable. Tevinter has a lot of people with varying degrees of social status for both mage and non-mag alike.

[Asdrubael Vect]

i doubt that it is possible to have a nonmage child from altus mages parents and their grandparents was mages too, and those nonmages who take lyrium might affect them to have a mage children

 

i think altus get rid from such childrens if they ever born, laetans can have them(still they are not fawored) and we know that nonmages nobles exist in Tevinter and called lords...they can do things in military or be wealthy merchant but they kinda have the same as soporati

 

it actually not really matters if mage is laetan or altus he must be a magister or circle enchanter or priest to have autority and place in Tevinter senat

[The Baconer]

i think altus get rid from such childrens if they ever born, laetans can have them(still they are not fawored) and we know that nonmages nobles exist in Tevinter and called lords...they can do things in military or be wealthy merchant but they kinda have the same as soporati

 

Magical affinity cannot be determined at birth, so the "Spartan method" can't really be applied. 

[Asdrubael Vect]

Magical affinity cannot be determined at birth, so the "Spartan method" can't really be applied. 

it can and you if you can dream-your race have conntection with fade can activate it with some rutuals, deamons help or like with Inquisitor or Valta if you was not a mage

 

child of mage and mage(especially of those who have mages parents themselfs) will be mage no matter what

 

and using lyrium and taking dragon blood effect this thing too and there would be a high chance of producing mages

 

magic is a blood

[Aimi]

That I didn't understand. What do you mean?

You mentioned Konstantinos XI Palaiologos Dragases, last Emperor of the Romans? Popular early modern Orthodox myth basically made him into King Arthur. It was said that he was rescued by an angel, turned to marble, and waited under the city to resume his rightful rule once it was liberated. Hence the nickname marmaremenos vasilias, the Marble Emperor.

[Draninus]

Nah. Hissing Wastes please.

 

Yes please. More wandering aimlessly through the Hissing Wastes would be great. 

[Mistic]

You mentioned Konstantinos XI Palaiologos Dragases, last Emperor of the Romans? Popular early modern Orthodox myth basically made him into King Arthur. It was said that he was rescued by an angel, turned to marble, and waited under the city to resume his rightful rule once it was liberated. Hence the nickname marmaremenos vasilias, the Marble Emperor.

 

Thanks for the info! Ok, so if marble statues can't be, it's Leo III then (please, please, Bioware, let us play a grand siege of Constantinople Minrathous, preferably on the winning side).

[Aimi]

Yes please. More wandering aimlessly through the Hissing Wastes would be great. 

 
The Hissing Wastes are great. Best place to trigger enough banters between Dorian and Bull to get their romance.

Thanks for the info! Ok, so if marble statues can't be, it's Leo III then (please, please, Bioware, let us play a grand siege of Constantinople Minrathous, preferably on the winning side).

or you could go all hipster and do the 626 siege by the Avars and Iranians

[Almostfaceman]

Just so we're clear, EVERYONE wants Dragon Age 4 to be set in Tevinter right?

 

Nope. I wouldn't mind, but I'd rather not pigeon hole any good story to a particular setting just because it's the next place to go on a map. 

 

What a silly question, since when has everyone agreed on anything?

[Mistic]

 or you could go all hipster and do the 626 siege by the Avars and Iranians

 

True enough. Now that I think it, Heraclius is another good choice to model a Bioware Player Character. I mean, taking the throne in the direst moments of the Empire and turning the tide of war against their oldest and most fearsome foes is perfect for the main campaign. Then comes this DLC set some years later when some enemy that was barely mentioned by the lore before suddenly makes most of that effort go to waste.

 

Yep, it fits.

[Aimi]

True enough. Now that I think it, Heraclius is another good choice to model a Bioware Player Character. I mean, taking the throne in the direst moments of the Empire and turning the tide of war against their oldest and most fearsome foes is perfect for the main campaign. Then comes this DLC set some years later when some enemy that was barely mentioned by the lore before suddenly makes most of that effort go to waste.
 
Yep, it fits.

Herakleios was definitely the player character because there was a long tutorial period where he kept screwing up and losing and then suddenly went off on an insane run of success involving a lot of bizarrely awesome personalities and culminates in him fighting an apocalyptic battle amid ancient ruins and personally slaying the enemy commander in single combat.

[Mistic]

Herakleios was definitely the player character because there was a long tutorial period where he kept screwing up and losing and then suddenly went off on an insane run of success involving a lot of bizarrely awesome personalities and culminates in him fighting an apocalyptic battle amid ancient ruins and personally slaying the enemy commander in single combat.

 

The battle of Nineveh, isn't it? I didn't know about the Emperor fighting the enemy commander personally. If it was a duel, single combat (ala Hawke vs Arishok), we would have the perfect model for the next PC

 

Whatever the case, I plan on playing at least one devout Andrastian Tevinter. I'd like to explore how Andrastianism is understood in the Imperium. It's usually forgotten that Tevinter was the first Andrastian nation in Thedas.

[Evan_the_mechanic]

How about the region qunari originate from, a qunari based storyline sounds cool, or where isabela is from, antiva? I'm new so don't shoot, lol

[Hanako Ikezawa]

How about the region qunari originate from, a qunari based storyline sounds cool, or where isabela is from, antiva? I'm new so don't shoot, lol

Isabela is from Rivain, which is next to Antiva. So you were close.

[AedanStarfang]

I will be happy as long as the game isn't set in Ferelden again.

[rapscallioness]

Yaaasssss! And thereabouts, ofc.

[ArcaneEsper]

Tevinter would be fun, witnessing for ourselves if it's as bad as we're told it is would be great.

But personally, I'd like to see Antiva or Rivain (since we probs can't have both together )

[djdaem0n]

The next game should be completely set in the North. The Anderfels, Imperium, Antiva, Rivain, etc. Honestly, it would be like a facelift for the franchise. Not having to deal with the repetitive nature of Ferelden and Orlesian politics was probably the most refreshing thing about DAII. It would present a whole new set of problems to overcome as a brand new hero, which would be a welcoming approach for a DA veteran like myself.

[KaiserShep]

The next game should be completely set in the North. The Anderfels, Imperium, Antiva, Rivain, etc. Honestly, it would be like a facelift for the franchise. Not having to deal with the repetitive nature of Ferelden and Orlesian politics was probably the most refreshing thing about DAII. It would present a whole new set of problems to overcome as a brand new hero, which would be a welcoming approach for a DA veteran like myself.

 

 

Really, Inquisition does feel a bit like a farewell to this part of Thedas. So much has happened to it that moving north seems the most logical step. 

[SonnyKohler]

I wanna play a slave that rises above my station to destroy everything!  But then again, it may just be me.

[djdaem0n]

Really, Inquisition does feel a bit like a farewell to this part of Thedas. So much has happened to it that moving north seems the most logical step. 

That reminds me, I forgot to mention Kal-Sharok. The northern Dwarves could be VASTLY different since they were divided from Orzammar during the first blight. Just thinking of the possibilities gets me excited about seeing it. COME ON BIOWARE! DO IT!

[Kakistos_]

Trespasser made some VERY VERY VERY strong hints that, yes, DA4 will take place in Tevinter. That doesn't mean that DA4 will take place exclusivly in Tevinter. I am of the opinion that the map will be split between Tevinter and The Anderfels directly to the west. Simply too many Gray Warden story-lines have been pushed to the side in the last games to be put off any longer and I see potential for various story-lines to intertwine with one another.