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[Vaseldwa]

I am overjoyed that we me may be going to tevinter (although that one scene seems to say we are). Buuuut I would like to go to Antiva, it would be nice to be in a rogue centered (imo) culture.  

Modifié par DwarvaVashoth, 03 novembre 2015 - 01:15 .

[Vegeta 77]

Going somewhere new is going to be what many people want and tevinter is a cool place to go to maybe Dorian will play a part in it.

 

But a game in Antiva or Nevarra is cool with me aswell.

[JadeDragon]

And seheron. I don't want to do two countries again unless its Antiva and Rivanii or the Free Marches city-states. DA:I did not really balance the two countries out as well as doing one country would be. But with that said I don't see them doing Par vollen while it would be nice its to soon to leave thedas even if it is a short distance. Seheron provides us with the prefect setting to display the difference between Qunari and Tevinter. Seheron has buildings from both cultures or at least Tevinter I know for a fact so it shouldn't be a problem adding a island with the same building designs as the mainland. It gives us a deeper look into the Qunari War since it is a disputed area. And it allows us to see the fog warriors and get into the life of those caught in the middle. Its a island with enough going on to add to DA4 move to tevinter without going to far away from the story arc in place.

[Qis]

Nice attempt, troll - until your last two posts, but a good troll knows how far to go. Sadly you don't. And operating on the basis of logic "I haven't seen it, therefore it didn't happen" will certainly bring you everywhere. Witnesses like Orana be damned.

 

Really, it never shown, all about it is just hearsay, like i said if it really happened few cases doesn't make precedence. But i never see it happen, not in this 3 games. So it never proven. I hear a lot about things, but do i just believe all things said? No, i don't, untill i see it myself i will not making judgment.

 

Not all witness can be taken account on what they say, they just tell things, maybe they tell things that they hear themselves. Like Fenris, he only repeat all the stereotypes about Tevinter Mages to Hawke. I cannot take Fenris seriously. Orana is just a messed up girl havig trauma, we can't really tell what she say is the truth. Where is her father? Do we see him? Do we have evidence? NO, we don't have any evidence.

 

Furthermore, DA2 is Varric story....and Varric is not a reliable source as he love to add up stuff in his stories

[renfrees]

Really, it never shown, all about it is just hearsay, like i said if it really happened few cases doesn't make precedence. But i never see it happen, not in this 3 games. So it never proven. I hear a lot about things, but do i just believe all things said? No, i don't, untill i see it myself i will not making judgment.

 

Not all witness can be taken account on what they say, they just tell things, maybe they tell things that they hear themselves. Like Fenris, he only repeat all the stereotypes about Tevinter Mages to Hawke. I cannot take Fenris seriously. Orana is just a messed up girl havig trauma, we can't really tell what she say is the truth. Where is her father? Do we see him? Do we have evidence? NO, we don't have any evidence.

 

Furthermore, DA2 is Varric story....and Varric is not a reliable source as he love to add up stuff in his stories

Reading this load of bull crap I'm starting to think Solas' plan might not be that bad. 

[nightscrawl]

One of the reasons I'm excited about going to Tevinter is I think it might be the only place in Thedas where bringing the current system of government down is something they'd let us do.

 

DAI is a very pro-establishment game. Very pro-status quo, powers that be, enforcing stability, restoring order. I think the next game needs to be about tearing down the establishment and acting not as agents of order, but agents of change, and if there is any place in Thedas they'd let us do that, it would be Tevinter. 

 

I wouldn't mind seeing this, but only if there are hints as to what will take its place. I don't want it to end like DA2 where the PC has left Tevinter in shambles and we aren't shown any sort of recovery process.

[Heimdall]

I wouldn't mind seeing this, but only if there are hints as to what will take its place. I don't want it to end like DA2 where the PC has left Tevinter in shambles and we aren't shown any sort of recovery process.

I'm not so thrilled by the idea of the player having such sway over national affairs. I'd prefer something more low key. But if they did do that, I suspect we wouldn't be able to dismantle the system entirely, if only because I don't see how that could happen without letting the Qunari gain a massive foothold in Thedas, which is too big a variable to deal with, I think.

If we have a choice, it would be supporting reform of existing structures versus the more traditional Tevinter. I doubt supporting the Qunari will be a serious option.

[Former_Fiend]

To hell with that. I want the chance to be the guy who brings down the unconquerable Minrathous. I want to make a matching pair of goblets out of the skulls of the Archon and the Black Divine.

[Ieldra]

To hell with that. I want the chance to be the guy who brings down the unconquerable Minrathous. I want to make a matching pair of goblets out of the skulls of the Archon and the Black Divine.

What's the Divine ever done to you? Meanwhile, yeah, I get the sentiment about the Archon, but I'd prefer getting the skulls of half the magisterium without destroying the city. Probably, the attackers would be qunari, and I'd stand on Minrathous' walls with the Archon at my side before I'd let *them* take a single square metre of ground.

[katamuro]

Well not really Tevinter but more of Northern Thedas hopefully, you know Nevarra, Free Marches(not just a single city), Antiva. 

[AFA]

I dunno. Will Tevinter be the brutal one depicted in DAO and DA2, or will it be kind of lame like how it appeared in DAI?

[Iakus]

I dunno. Will Tevinter be the brutal one depicted in DAO and DA2, or will it be kind of lame like how it appeared in DAI?

No reason it can't be both.

 

I always associated Tevinter as being sort of like the late Roman Empire.  Dissolute and living in the past.  No longer the fearsome power it once was.

[Ieldra]

I dunno. Will Tevinter be the brutal one depicted in DAO and DA2, or will it be kind of lame like how it appeared in DAI?

You mean will its depiction be completely one-sided as in DAO and DA2, or will it allow for some variation as in DAI. You know, the treatment of the mages in Redcliffe wasn't exactly gentle, we've seen Erimond oversee human sacrifice in person, and Dorian's accounts of politics add quite a bit of lore about magisterium politics that aren't pleasant either. I don't see that being "lame", they just decided to show there's more to the place than stereotypical Evil Empire stuff. 

[Former_Fiend]

What's the Divine ever done to you? Meanwhile, yeah, I get the sentiment about the Archon, but I'd prefer getting the skulls of half the magisterium without destroying the city. Probably, the attackers would be qunari, and I'd stand on Minrathous' walls with the Archon at my side before I'd let *them* take a single square metre of ground.

 

While I'd be happy to help the qunari take Mirathous given the chance, I was actually thinking less of an Ottoman invasion of Constantinople and more the Visigoth sack of Rome, where the once greatest city in the world is breached and sacked not by a grand army, not by it's arch enemies, but by the poor, the hungry, the downtrodden, and the desperate. By people pushed to the bring and who simply speaking, have nothing left to lose. And I was thinking of it happening from within, slave rebellion style. 

 

As for what the Divine's done to me? Nothing more than the Archon. But they're both symbols of the established institutions, and thus must both be destroyed.

[Ieldra]

While I'd be happy to help the qunari take Mirathous given the chance, I was actually thinking less of an Ottoman invasion of Constantinople and more the Visigoth sack of Rome, where the once greatest city in the world is breached and sacked not by a grand army, not by it's arch enemies, but by the poor, the hungry, the downtrodden, and the desperate. By people pushed to the bring and who simply speaking, have nothing left to lose. And I was thinking of it happening from within, slave rebellion style.

I will never have any respect for that kind of destruction. Take it for yourself, yes, kill those responsible for generations of suffering, yes, but burning and pillaging? From my point of view, those who would do so wouldn't deserve to win in the first place. I understand that passions can run high and may result in some damage, but I'd never condone it, even less find it a good thing.

[Heimdall]

While I'd be happy to help the qunari take Mirathous given the chance, I was actually thinking less of an Ottoman invasion of Constantinople and more the Visigoth sack of Rome, where the once greatest city in the world is breached and sacked not by a grand army, not by it's arch enemies, but by the poor, the hungry, the downtrodden, and the desperate. By people pushed to the bring and who simply speaking, have nothing left to lose. And I was thinking of it happening from within, slave rebellion style. 

 

As for what the Divine's done to me? Nothing more than the Archon. But they're both symbols of the established institutions, and thus must both be destroyed.

I'm not sure that would actually happen.

 

Remember that the Qunari nearly conquered Tevinter once, they laid siege to Minrathous and took most of the country in the last war, but Tevinter still managed to bounce back and push them into the sea.  That wasn't all mages.  Nationalism is strong in Tevinter, even among the non-mages.  There have been slave revolts in Tevinter before (All crushed), but I don't see the vast Soporati population turning on the Magisters now with the Qunari at the gates.  Besides, I don't see how a rebellion could succeed without the ensuing chaos leading to the Qunari immediately conquering the country.

[Former_Fiend]

I will never have any respect for that kind of destruction. Take it for yourself, yes, kill those responsible for generations of suffering, yes, but burning and pillaging? From my point of view, those who would do so wouldn't deserve to win in the first place. I understand that passions can run high and may result in some damage, but I'd never condone it, even less find it a good thing.

 

Who said anything about it being good?

 

 

I'm not sure that would actually happen.

 

Remember that the Qunari nearly conquered Tevinter once, they laid siege to Minrathous and took most of the country in the last war, but Tevinter still managed to bounce back and push them into the sea.  That wasn't all mages.  Nationalism is strong in Tevinter, even among the non-mages.  There have been slave revolts in Tevinter before (All crushed), but I don't see the vast Soporati population turning on the Magisters now with the Qunari at the gates.  Besides, I don't see how a rebellion could succeed without the ensuing chaos leading to the Qunari immediately conquering the country.

 

What makes you think I'm opposed to that outcome?

[Heimdall]

What makes you think I'm opposed to that outcome?

Nothing, but I doubt Bioware would go for it.  Tevinter getting claimed by the Qunari is too huge to be a variable going forward and they already did a lot of setup with Dorian's reform movement.

[Former_Fiend]

Well in any event, I've already stated in another thread that I believe that regardless of what we do, the Qunari need to get the better of the conflict. Not because I happen to like the Qunari, but because I believe that when you're trying to make an enemy seem threatening, you actually need to have them be threatening, and that involves giving them some wins.

 

As for the destruction, well, that isn't anything personal against Tevinter. I wanted to be able to let Orlais and Ferelden burn and drown in demons until they came begging me for help in Inquisition. Didn't get to do that. Now I want a box of matches and a lyre to play while Minrathous burns.

[Heimdall]

Well in any event, I've already stated in another thread that I believe that regardless of what we do, the Qunari need to get the better of the conflict. Not because I happen to like the Qunari, but because I believe that when you're trying to make an enemy seem threatening, you actually need to have them be threatening, and that involves giving them some wins.

They can give them battles without giving them the war. I actually expect the war won't resolve in DA4 and the Qunari invasion will continue to be background conflict through DA5.
 

As for the destruction, well, that isn't anything personal against Tevinter. I wanted to be able to let Orlais and Ferelden burn and drown in demons until they came begging me for help in Inquisition. Didn't get to do that. Now I want a box of matches and a lyre to play while Minrathous burns.

Sounds... petty, but okay.

[The Baconer]

It'd be interesting to use the chaos to break apart the current regime, only to give birth to something even more terrifying. 

 

Long live the Dragon. 

[Qis]

I dunno. Will Tevinter be the brutal one depicted in DAO and DA2, or will it be kind of lame like how it appeared in DAI?

 

DA:O and DA2 is full of propagandas, so it means they are far from what being propagated....one terrorist group don't represent the whole country and it's people, unless you believe in propagandas....

[Former_Fiend]

They can give them battles without giving them the war. I actually expect the war won't resolve in DA4 and the Qunari invasion will continue to be background conflict through DA5.
 

 

That'd be fine, so long as DA4 ends with the Qunari at the advantage. 

 

 

 
Sounds... petty, but okay.

 

I just have my eyes on what the bigger prize is. Defeating the qunari? Been there, done that. Hawke defeated the Arishok in DA2. Alistair defeated Aristen in the comics(I still call bs on that, but whatever). The Inquisitor defeated Qunari in Trespasser. There's no glory or accomplishment in beating the Qunari. It's been done. 

 

Minrathous, however, has never been conquered. The Qunari couldn't do it. The Exalted Marches couldn't do it. Andraste couldn't do it. Dumat could't do it. Being the one to bring that city down? That is an accomplishment. Bigger than beating the Arishok, bigger than beating Corypheus, bigger than beating an Archdemon. That's the feather I want in my cap.

[Heimdall]

 

That'd be fine, so long as DA4 ends with the Qunari at the advantage. 

 

 

 

I just have my eyes on what the bigger prize is. Defeating the qunari? Been there, done that. Hawke defeated the Arishok in DA2. Alistair defeated Aristen in the comics(I still call bs on that, but whatever). The Inquisitor defeated Qunari in Trespasser. There's no glory or accomplishment in beating the Qunari. It's been done. 

 

Minrathous, however, has never been conquered. The Qunari couldn't do it. The Exalted Marches couldn't do it. Andraste couldn't do it. Dumat could't do it. Being the one to bring that city down? That is an accomplishment. Bigger than beating the Arishok, bigger than beating Corypheus, bigger than beating an Archdemon. That's the feather I want in my cap.

So... Vanity, okay, not my thing

[Former_Fiend]

Pretty much. We're all entitled to a few flaws. 

 

Mine is that when I see a city that boasts "Never been conquered", I say "Challenge accepted."