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[Cecylio19]

...Hawke as elf or dwarf?

 

Hello and sorry if there is such topic already.

 

Hawke is human. But what if Bioware could get more time? Hawke could be dwarf surfacer or elf from Alienage with his/her family, escaping the Blight. I think that most dialogues in the game would not change much. Few special reactions here and there, f.e. elf could be treated worse by humans, but little better by Dalish elves OR dwarf could get along with Bartrand (you would still have to pay, but he could be nicer ).

 

Of course, there is problem with Hawke's dwarves - they can't be mages, so no Circle, no Templars. Which sibling die and which one joins Circle/Templars and why? 

 

Thoughts?

[Fylimar]

I guess the problem is, that Hawke is supposed to come from an old aristocratic family in Kirkwall. Her/His raise back to old power is one of the themes. Since in Thedas elfs can not become nobles and even a rich surface dwarf would be only an outsider, to make Hawke would not have made sense. They woudl have to change the whole second act. After Hawke defeated the Qunari, it would not make much difference, but until then, the story would have to be changed a big deal.

Btw: There is at least one mod, taht changes Hawke and family into elves. I would like to try it sometimes, since I like playing elves and dwarves more than playing humans, but I never did it so far, because of the story.

[gnewna]

Tbh, while I would never have thought I say this (because humans are boring, innit) I have grown to be quite glad of Hawke's set background, after replaying DAO a couple of times I was disappointed to realise just how little difference it makes which origin you picked. The odd line of dialogue here and there, and that was about it. With Hawke, the family is a significant part of the story, your surviving sibling is part of the first act party, mother is involved (albeit passively) in one of the major quests of act two, etc. If they could have made that level of involvement work for three different backgrounds, sure (though as mentioned above, it would have to be quite different, particularly for an elf - apparently dwarves can own property in Hightown (Bartrand) but elves? I think that would be too much of a stretch, and you certainly wouldn't have the family estate to reclaim.)

[Cecylio19]

Yeah, elves... maybe King of Alienage?

 

It could be done, but only till Act 2, cause either elf or dwarf can get money from Deep Roads, be recognised and then become Champion. But dwarf helping mages or templars? And elf wouldn't become anyone in Kirkwall, even with all that money (he would get stabbed in dark alley or something).

 

It's good to be dreaming

[Tidus]

I would prefer Hawke as a Elf from one of the clans in DA:O. His mage sister could still be a apostate as could he.

 

I'm stuck on Elves because they seem to be better rogues then the Shemlens.

[Illegitimus]

I would prefer Hawke as a Elf from one of the clans in DA:O. His mage sister could still be a apostate as could he.

 

I'm stuck on Elves because they seem to be better rogues then the Shemlens.

 

It doesn't work with the events of the story.  Elf Hawke could not expect to insulate his sister from the Templars just by being a rich pillar of society.  They'd have to attach themselves to a wealthy human family instead or become the city's top mob bosses.  Nor would an elf get acclaimed as the Champion of the City.  

[Tidus]

I don't know if a elf can become the hero of Ferelden why not the Champion of a mere city?  A elf could become a mob boss just as well as a shemlen. The apostate Elf  mage would be of interest to the Templars as would any apostate mage since there are elven mages in the Circle. Finding and capturing a Dalish Elf mage would be quite the prize.

[straykat]

Everything would have to have separate elements. The human commoner, mage, and noble storylines mixed in one will be completely out. There'd be no Gamlen/Leandra/Malcolm equivalents. At best, they'd be some cheap knockoff that didn't have the same flare or weight. And the ease of transition to hightown later wouldn't exist. It'd just be an entirely different story.

 

I only wish they had that much focus in DAI. This is one thing DA2 did better.

[Tidus]

Gamlen I could done without from the start and as the story revealed it self, the more I wanted to run a sword through his middle.

[straykat]

Gamlen I could done without from the start and as the story revealed it self, the more I wanted to run a sword through his middle.

 

I don't like him exactly either, but he serves a good story purpose.

[Umaya]

I don't like him exactly either, but he serves a good story purpose.

 

A proper uncle he was, Spot on Character in BW perfect world with all it's delicate flowers.

[BronzTrooper]

I don't know if a elf can become the hero of Ferelden why not the Champion of a mere city?  A elf could become a mob boss just as well as a shemlen. The apostate Elf  mage would be of interest to the Templars as would any apostate mage since there are elven mages in the Circle. Finding and capturing a Dalish Elf mage would be quite the prize.

 

Because people see the HoF as a Warden first and foremost.  Their race is more of a side thing, though it does have an effect on the aftermath of Awakening depending on how you handled a few things (it's minor at most, though).

 

As with Hawke, s/he is human, but non-native to Kirkwall.  Fereldan refugees are treated only slightly better than the elves in the alienage simply because they're human.  Hawke had the opportunity to buy the Amell Estate due to the fact that s/he had a direct tie to the Amells and because they were human.

 

If you remember the quest with the magistrate's son, there is an elven merchant who claims to be fairly wealthy, but he is still looked down on because he is an elf in the first place.

 

Not to mention that, in the lore, it is stated that elves are generally not welcome outside the alienages.  Elves that move into homes in other parts of their home cities are harassed, assaulted, and sometimes even killed until they, or their families (if they're killed) move back into the alienage.  An elf can still become champion of a city, but due to how downtrodden city elves are, elven champions are pretty much non-existent.  Also, I'm not even sure if a city would accept an elf as its champion, regardless of what they did.

[Tidus]

So,the Elf hero of Ferelden would be less then the scum refugees from Ferelden... Its sad to think that the hero of Ferelden may have saved Kirkwall from the blight.

 

Still I would like a Elf Hawke.

[SwobyJ]

Instead of racial selection, I would have liked it if we were able to customize our beginnings and placement in Kirkwall over time. 

 

Or chosen what sibling to be. A mage (default NPC Bethany), a warrior (default NPC Carver), or..a rogue? (default NPC Garrett or Marian? depending on your gender? I dunno whatever).

 

That would have made up for not having races IMO. Different perspectives and paths and consequences, but same family. Would have much more encouraged me to make several playthroughs for story instead of just 2-4 tops (I've only done 1 so far!).

[Fylimar]

Ok, for the dwarf it would be simpler to become a part of Hightown.

An elf would probably only be recognised as some kind of authority, if he/she  has something to do with the chantry (are elves even allowed to become templars, revered mothers or seeker? I remember from the City elf origin, that the revered mother, who was supposed to do the wedding ceremony was a human too.).

Or maybe a diplomat from another country - I think, the Antivans have less predjudices towards elves, if I remember correctly? The Tevinter have magisters, who are elves, I guess, but I doubt, that a Tevinter magister would be very welcome in Kirkwall  Maybe after the Blight, the Fereldens could allow elves to become diplomats, since they help defending Denerim, but that would be too forced, I guess.

What could have worked imo, is an elf starting a career in the citywatch with Aveline as captain - a bit like LIas story. But of course, it would not lead to an estate in Hightown - and all three storylines would have to be very different. I would have loved it, but since they rushed the end so much for time issues, this was probably never an option.