62 odpowiedzi w tym temacie

[Lavellan-San]

I like both characters, and I think it sucks that you can't have both, but I very much preferred Carver over Bethany. Carver has a much more interesting relationship and conversations with Hawke than Bethany does. Also, Bethany was kind of a Mary Sue character, which (sadly) reminded me of Tallis.

[robertmarilyn]

Poor Bethany always dies because I prefer Carver so much more. He's the reason Hawke is always a mage except the one time Bethany got to live and Carver died. Carver is almost always in my party, when available, because I like his banter with the others so much. 

[Jaison1986]

Mary Sue? How so? She is not glorified, or given a undeserved story relevance. Hell, she is only a full time companion in act 1 and DLC.

 

Anyway, it all depends on taste. I detest characters with confrontational personalities, so Carver usually end up as ogre snack for me. At least Bethany tries to be polite, and to care.

[robertmarilyn]

Mary Sue? How so? She is not glorified, or given a undeserved story relevance. Hell, she is only a full time companion in act 1 and DLC.

 

Anyway, it all depends on taste. I detest characters with confrontational personalities, so Carver usually end up as ogre snack for me. At least Bethany tries to be polite, and to care.

 

I know, it's not fair. Bethany is sweet and kind and caring yet I like laughing at jealous, pouting Carver.   

[vertigomez]

Carver is one of my favorite characters in the franchise so, no, you're not the only one.

[renfrees]

No, you're not. Imho, Carver is much more developed character than Bethany, who just fills the role of a "sweet lil' sister." I find her bland and boring.

[congokong]

You're not the only one. I won't understand people who actually like Carver more than Bethany, like who you'd rather have a beer with, but I can see how he might be better in your story. His personality is more fleshed out than Bethany's who is rather agreeable, submissive, and a bit boring. I also find Carver's inadequacy being surrounded by mages preferable over Bethany's guilt being the only mage left in the family, but still prefer the bond of the Hawke sisters (in my case) over Carver's rivalry.

 

Since I almost always play a mage though I'm stuck with Carver for better or worse.

[sylvanaerie]

I like both and tried to have them in my group as long as I could/whenever it was an option.  Since I didn't like Anders, poor Bethany died more than Carver did because I played healer mages a lot before I got the "Merrill with Creation" mod.  After that I really got to appreciate her sweet nature since I could play rogues and warriors.  

 

Still, I have no sisters, and 2 still living brothers in RL and Carver felt more 'real' to me than Bethany does.  The pissing matches between him and a male Hawke were hilarious to me.

[Jaison1986]

I like both and tried to have them in my group as long as I could/whenever it was an option.  Since I didn't like Anders, poor Bethany died more than Carver did because I played healer mages a lot before I got the "Merrill with Creation" mod.  After that I really got to appreciate her sweet nature since I could play rogues and warriors.  

 

Still, I have no sisters, and 2 still living brothers in RL and Carver felt more 'real' to me than Bethany does.  The pissing matches between him and a male Hawke were hilarious to me.

 

Really? I managed fine with Merrill, since I also barely used Anders to avoid headaches. She had a lot of pratical skills that compensated for the lack of healing. I mean, use walking bomb on a elite enemy and you could easily nuke a entire mob.

[sylvanaerie]

Really? I managed fine with Merrill, since I also barely used Anders to avoid headaches. She had a lot of pratical skills that compensated for the lack of healing. I mean, use walking bomb on a elite enemy and you could easily nuke a entire mob.

TBH I didn't try going it with her until I got the mod.  I probably could have, but I tend to lean heavily on healing (Wynne and Anders were always in my groups in Origins/Awakenings when I wasn't a healer mage) because I'm not very tactical.  And I was just so jazzed Merrill could join me, she was always in my groups after Act 1 (when you lose Bethany) if I was playing my rogue/warriors.  There were also bombs and healing potions and what not, but again, I suck at tactics.  Usually I just control my main and let the AI take care of the companions, only micromanaging during the tougher fights.  Playing on casual, the AI usually can handle the more common fights.

[robertmarilyn]

 

 

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Still, I have no sisters, and 2 still living brothers in RL and Carver felt more 'real' to me than Bethany does.  The pissing matches between him and a male Hawke were hilarious to me.

 

I like playing male Hawke and the fact that my Hawke and Carver are brothers made it so much more funny than when I've played with Carver harping at a female Hawke. 

[KaiserShep]

Carver has a pretty interesting dynamic and is amusing with brother Hawke, but having two sisters I probably relate to Bethany's inclusion in the story a lot more than the other guy. Plus, I rarely roll with warriors in my party, so Carver got benched a lot, whereas I took Bethany everywhere in Act 1. Most importantly though, I think that mage Hawke just does not fit well at all in the story. I can't get enough of Isabela and Varric trolling Carver though. It's good stuff. I really would've preferred to keep both past the prologue, because the ogre death isn't really that dramatic with how little time we got to spend with the characters at that point. Perhaps losing one or the other at the end of Act 1 would've been better. 

[GoldenGail3]

CARVER? OMG, I LOVE CARVER! 

[sniper_arrow]

I like both of them. If given my way, I'd have both of them alive when you choose rogue Hawke.

[sjsharp2011]

I like both and tried to have them in my group as long as I could/whenever it was an option.  Since I didn't like Anders, poor Bethany died more than Carver did because I played healer mages a lot before I got the "Merrill with Creation" mod.  After that I really got to appreciate her sweet nature since I could play rogues and warriors.  

 

Still, I have no sisters, and 2 still living brothers in RL and Carver felt more 'real' to me than Bethany does.  The pissing matches between him and a male Hawke were hilarious to me.

yeah I don't have any sistres either my brother's a lot like Carver and I've not always got on well with him. I've often wondered what my life would have been like to have a sister but such as life I don't have one. Presonality wise I prefer Bethany over Carver but I enjoy playing both ways.

[gnewna]

I like Carver. Nothing really against Bethany, she's a bit of a drip, but she's not awful, or anything. But Carver's much more interesting. I'm currently meta-gaming the Hell out of my new mage playthrough (I made a spreadsheet and everything!) because I'm determined to win him over. I'm also bringing him, Isabela and Merrill along to everything my spreadsheet says has no approval to worry about, because the party banter combination of his apparent crush on Merrill and Isabela teasing the poor boy is great fun. Much more so than him bickering with Anders, and I can't even remember any good party lines with Bethany.

[themikefest]

Since I've played as a mage the most, Carver gets to go to Kirkwall. He's not bad. I don't blame him for joining the templars if not taken to the deep roads. What I like the most is he stands up for his sister/brother regardless of their relationship

[Fylimar]

I like both siblings. I guess, Carver felt a bit lefz out, because the family had to fuss over Bethany (and Hawke, if she is a mage) a lot more, to keep her away from teh Templar. SInce all three siblings are still very young at the beginning from DA2, I can easily understand Carvers jealousy and take it, for what it is: inexperience with life and and the fear to be less loved for (in his eyes) lack of (magical) talent

[congokong]

Since I've played as a mage the most, Carver gets to go to Kirkwall. He's not bad. I don't blame him for joining the templars if not taken to the deep roads. What I like the most is he stands up for his sister/brother regardless of their relationship

Besides spite I can't understand why Carver would join the Templars. Throughout Act 1 he talks like he doesn't like them, and joining the order leaves him two options:

 

1. Turn in his mage sibling as is his duty

2. Be a huge hypocrite who takes mages from other people's families and imprisons them but won't do it to his own.

[Illegitimus]

Besides spite I can't understand why Carver would join the Templars. Throughout Act 1 he talks like he doesn't like them, and joining the order leaves him two options:

 

1. Turn in his mage sibling as is his duty

2. Be a huge hypocrite who takes mages from other people's families and imprisons them but won't do it to his own.

 

You are forgetting his namesake and newly adopted role model.  His father owed his life and freedom to a sympathetic Templar.  

[congokong]

You are forgetting his namesake and newly adopted role model.  His father owed his life and freedom to a sympathetic Templar.  

But that templar is renowned by the Hawkes for defying the order. Why would Carver willingly join it?

[sniper_arrow]

But that templar is renowned by the Hawkes for defying the order. Why would Carver willingly join it?

 

I think, on some level, this would be his "f*** you" to Hawke if you didn't include him in the Deep Roads expedition. At the same time, he wanted to honor his namesake by becoming a templar. Deep down, he may wanted to join to protect Hawke from the order, even if he didn't know it at the time.

[congokong]

I think, on some level, this would be his "f*** you" to Hawke if you didn't include him in the Deep Roads expedition. At the same time, he wanted to honor his namesake by becoming a templar. Deep down, he may wanted to join to protect Hawke from the order, even if he didn't know it at the time.

Yeah, the thing is I can't think of any legitimate reason for him to become a Templar besides it being a f*** you to Hawke. Joining a cause just because someone in it was your namesake is pretty stupid. I mean, if a Nazi freed your father from the gas chambers during WWII and you were named after that Nazi, would you join the Nazi party to honor them? It also borders a bit too close to something like Stockholm Syndrome IMO to honor so greatly a captor who chose to free someone. Lastly, I doubt Carver could protect Hawke from Meredith's wrath if she was determined to see Hawke in the Circle.

[sniper_arrow]

Yeah, the thing is I can't think of any legitimate reason for him to become a Templar besides it being a f*** you to Hawke. Joining a cause just because someone in it was your namesake is pretty stupid. I mean, if a Nazi freed your father from the gas chambers during WWII and you were named after that Nazi, would you join the Nazi party to honor them? It also borders a bit too close to something like Stockholm Syndrome IMO to honor so greatly a captor who chose to free someone. Lastly, I doubt Carver could protect Hawke from Meredith's wrath if she was determined to see Hawke in the Circle.

 

I wouldn't say that. At the time, Carver was looking to prove himself to escape Hawke's shadow. Aveline wouldn't allow him to join the city guard because she thought he was reckless. He was less famous/reliable(?) than Hawke after their 1-year service with either the smugglers or mercenaries. Joining the Grey Wardens didn't cross his mind until the Deep Roads.  

[Illegitimus]

Yeah, the thing is I can't think of any legitimate reason for him to become a Templar besides it being a f*** you to Hawke. Joining a cause just because someone in it was your namesake is pretty stupid. I mean, if a Nazi freed your father from the gas chambers during WWII and you were named after that Nazi, would you join the Nazi party to honor them?

 

The Templars aren't the Nazis.  Most of the bad stuff he was seeing in Kirkwall was from mages who were out of control and people who regarded apostate mages as prey to be taken advantage of.  And what better position could he be in to protect mages who weren't a problem except as a Templar?