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Seeker and Templar abilities


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Rotshild

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So here's my question: what is the full range of Seeker abilities? Dialogue with Cassandra indicates that Seeker abilities are very different from Templar abilities, but it is unclear how, other than not using lyrium. Can Seekers still nullify magic the way templars do? An exchange between Solas and Cassandra implies that they can, and the way Solas talks about it, it seems like the effects are identical. So the difference is just in the usage of lyrium?

 

  • Cassandra: What is it like when templars nullify magic, Solas?
  • Solas: It is as though you are drawing upon the world around us. Mages draw forth the essence of the fade, and use that essence to shape reality.
  • Cassandra: And our powers drive it back, making this world harder to affect?
  • Solas: In a manner of speaking. You reinforce reality so it's less mutable. The fade has nowhere to gain a foothold, and the magic disperses.
  • Cassandra: No one has ever accused me of reinforcing reality before.
  • Solas: You are a seeker of truth.

 

 

 

If asked about Seeker abilities, Cassandra says that they depend upon the individual. What are the possible abilities (since we know they come from the Spirit of Faith and not the Maker, there has to be a set of possible abilities)? Is there anything other than the "setting lyrium in someone's blood on fire" ability? If so, what exactly could that be?

 

Apart from this, I have seen people say that lyrium is not in fact crucial to templar abilities, but simply makes them easier to use (and, of course, is used as a leash by the Chantry). If this true? And if so, where do the abilities come from? Surely just thinking very hard about making the world around you more real (as the dialogue above indicates) would not be enough to nullify magic.

I'm under the impression that the above statement is not in fact true, and lyrium is actually necessary, but I might be wrong.


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Taki17

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I don't know if it has been retconned since, but in Origins, Alistair says that he is perfectly capable of using his Templar abilites, despite never taking lyrium himself. So the lyrium might not be as essential as they say, but it does give certain extra benefits when casting Templar abilities.

 

Seekers get their power by a brief spiritual posession during their training (they are made tranquil, and a spirit is summoned to touch their minds and un-tranquil them, and this moment makes them rediscover themselves and their newfound abilities).

 

Since all people (except the dwarves) are connected to the Fade on some level (mages have magic because their connection is strong by default), I believe (based on what I understand) that Seekers train their minds to strenghten their connection to the Fade (the spirit is what gives their abilites the final push that's needed), but instead of drawing on the Fade, they learn to recognize and deny if someone is drawing on the Fade. Templars are likely the same, but lyrium is used to speed up the process (like Seekers are the special forces, who's training is difficult and expensive, and Templars are the regular front-line soldiers with a "basic" training)



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Seeker abilities were... very poorly defined. 



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The main advantage of Seekers is they cannot be possessed (presumably because they have a faith spirit watching over them) and cannot be controlled by blood magic mind control.    These are not things that can really be portrayed effectively apart from to explain why a certain person can't affect them.  

 

Really powerful Seekers seem to have refined their abilities but since such individuals are rare, and many were killed by the Promisors, it will probably be some time before there are sufficient of them trained up.    So only exhibiting the range of skills that Cassandra does in DAI will probably be the case.   Her specialist skills do seem to nullify magic, affect magical creatures like demons, etc.

 

Templars seem to be able to exercise a certain degree of control and resistance against magic simply through training; which seems to be the case with Tevinter Templars, who don't use lyrium, yet are sufficiently different from the average soldiers to be called a Templar.     However, to be really effective does require the use of lyrium.   I'm sure someone explained how their abilities work, how it is the opposite of magic.   I can't remember who but I am almost certain it was Cole.   May be it was just Cullen.