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[KallenX]

"The Keep does not use your data from previous games to set your choices, there is no save game import in the Keep"

 

From the sticky closed note in this forum head written by Leahrachelle.

 

 

What then is the point of the Keep???  The whole reason i'm trying to use it is so i can change console platforms and not lose my saved Hero from both DA1 and DA2 from xbox 360 to PS4.  what other purpose is there for it? 

 

For how important Bioware wants your decisions to matter, they sure make it impossible to figure out how to save them. If it were SO important, why then is there not a way to save the progress locally onto a usb stick or something on all platforms...

 

This should be a priority of Bioware, not some EA edict to help companies keep fans on specific consoles (or whatever the actual reason is)

[Pokemario]

The Keep is used to import your decisions from the previous 2 DA games to DAI. It's just unable to understand what your decisions were, because DAO/DA2 were not designed with the Keep in mind, so you'll have to manually pick your decisions in the Tapestry and then export your World State to Inquisition.

[KallenX]

does it at least transfer the custom look appearance of my hero?   Kind of odd that it doesn't save the choices. How exactly does DA2 import the choices from DA:O and why is it that that process cannot be exportable to local file.  It seems the whole EA & Bioware system had zero archetectural foresight on the lead selling point of their games, that your choices matter.  How could that happen? is it that EA's priorities became more important than Biowares and thus disposed of the effort of making choices matter?   For the record, i have no real issue with ME3 ending/choices.  For me it was a story that had to end a certain way given the size and time the studio(s) had to complete and release.  However the smaller choices of crafting your 'hero' and who they are add up and to lose that is to lose the main feature of the game(s).  Bioware has to be aware of this, so why is it they haven't made it a priority to overcome it?

[Shanlii]

does it at least transfer the custom look appearance of my hero?   Kind of odd that it doesn't save the choices. How exactly does DA2 import the choices from DA:O and why is it that that process cannot be exportable to local file.  It seems the whole EA & Bioware system had zero archetectural foresight on the lead selling point of their games, that your choices matter.  How could that happen? is it that EA's priorities became more important than Biowares and thus disposed of the effort of making choices matter?   For the record, i have no real issue with ME3 ending/choices.  For me it was a story that had to end a certain way given the size and time the studio(s) had to complete and release.  However the smaller choices of crafting your 'hero' and who they are add up and to lose that is to lose the main feature of the game(s).  Bioware has to be aware of this, so why is it they haven't made it a priority to overcome it?

 

No, the Keep will not transfer anything at all directly from the old games to Inquisition.  You can upload your characters to it to keep them safe, but their appearances are just thumbnail images so you can tell them apart.  They and their names aren't used in any way by Inquisition.  They're just there for you to use when creating your worldstate. 

 

And preservation of the player's choices is the exact reason the Keep was created in the first place.  If they hadn't made the Keep, we'd all be forced to play with their default worldstate instead of our own. The original save transfer system for DAO and DA2 was severely flawed, causing constant bugs and incorrect decision imports, not to mention there is no way to transfer a save across platforms or generations.  So they developed the Keep to allow people to recreate their games without worrying about having a working save and import it directly into the new game, preventing most import bugs.

[KallenX]

That makes no sense whatsoever.  If nothing is transfered then there are no thumbnails going up.. and if it's ONLY a thumbnail, what kind of info is there to tell apart from other info???  that makes zero sense.  You just contradict yourself insanely with your comment.

 

Why not then just have the player recreate the scenario in the menu of the start of DA:I.  What is the pointof The Keep at all..  I don't get it at all.

[Shanlii]

There is no direct transfer of any kind from the previous games to Inquisition at all! 

 

It is all run through the Keep now, which reads your profile data from the Bioware site where all of your character info is uploaded, not your old save files. You can go right to the old character page and see exactly the same stuff you'll find in the Keep through your forum profile. The info consists of a single profile image and the character's name, gender, class, and race (where applicable), along with all of your achievements. That info is sorted out quite neatly in the Heroes section of the Keep so you can find and pick your old character easily.  The character you pick is then used to recreate your game's worldstate by going through the Tapestry and entering the choices you made in the previous games. You then upload that info from the Keep directly to the Dragon Age servers, which is then in turn read by Inquisition when you choose to import a custom worldstate at the beginning of the game.

 

The point of the Keep is exactly what I said, preserving your choices and allowing them to be used in Inquisition and all future games. Your old save files are completely useless now. You can delete them all, switch platforms, even sell your games and still be able to have your previous choices reflected in Inquisition.  You can even use the Keep to try out different choices you'd never make in an actual playthrough and see how they change the world.  And they made it a website instead of putting it on the disk with the game to allow easier bug fixes, to keep the size of the game on disk down, and for an extra layer of copy protection. 

 

Just go to the website and make a world state.  It's not hard, really.  You might even enjoy it.

[KallenX]

I cannot preserve any choices.  When i got an xbox360 machine, long after having used a PS3 for Mass Effect 2,3, it grabbed the email address i never use from microsoft while i had a pre-existing origin account for Mass Effect...  This meant that now when i want to move my info over to PS4 from xbox360, I'm screwed.  As I plan to acquire a PS4, i want to transfer the saved choices I've made from the xbox 360 system.  What other purpose could the keep have than to save that information especially as there is no way to save that information locally.   If it does not, as outlined, then really there is no reason for anyone to use it for anything other than seeing their statistics layed out in a new format. I understand how this is useful, like how i access ME MP stats and checklists for accomplishing certain goals. 

 

I do not know the process from which ME3 carried over the choices from ME2 but there should be some way of making sure that the small file of data is transferable to a new system when Bioware is running this on multiple platforms over multiple platform generations.   If the Keep lets you preserve your choices, then it is preserving them in some format that i'd imagine is non-platform specific...  "The Keep does not use your data from previous games to set your choices, there is no save game import in the Keep" 

 

If this is so then how does it preserve anything?

 

I don't need to save my 'game' but i do want to back-up my 'choices' and hero for later use in subsequent submissions of the game series without being stuck on any platform or generation of platform.   I was told by an EA phone rep if they changed the address associated with my Gamertag on xbox, i would lose ALL of my information from the first moment i started playing DA.  This is why I am concerned and confused as to why i cannot simply backup the progress/choices like i can import shep/femshep from ME2 into ME3. 

 

The cross-platform system is a mess here.  I may well create a new world state, but that really isn't the same as making my choices matter and carry over, let alone losing my hero(s).  As you can see on my profile, Neither DA:O or DA2 logos show up, because i cannot get them to associate with my account.  I'd like very much to have everything in one place.

[Shanlii]

Sigh.  That quote just means the Keep doesn't read your old save files so you have to manually enter the decisions you made in the previous games into a worldstate and then upload that worldstate to the Dragon Age servers for them to affect Inquisition.  It is flat out not possible to import save files across platforms in any way, shape, or form, which is how your characters and decisions made it from DAO to DA2 and across the Mass Effect series.  Literally the only difference between this and the previous two games is that you have to enter your decisions yourself instead of having the process automated by the games.

 

Seriously, recreating your worldstate in the Keep is the only way you're going to get the decisions you're so determined to keep into Inquisition. If you don't use the Keep, then you won't see a single one of your decisions reflected in Inquisition or any future games ever again.  Even if you've lost your characters, you can just pick the default in the Keep that matches their race/gender/class combo and use that instead. They're only ever referenced by last name and class/gender/race in Inquisition and their appearance doesn't matter in the slightest since the Warden's not in it and you recreate Hawke manually in the actual game.

[KallenX]

Why would Bioware do this?   It might make sense for ME:A if none of the characters from the first 3 wont be in the next installation, but for DA:I where the story is stil continuative...  Is this how it's going to be from now on?  Why wouldn't Bioware let each player keep the record of choices, instead of the very limited set of options you set in the keep?  Is this just a sign Bioware is giving in to corporate fascist controlled walled gardens like Apple does to control their indoctrinated customers? 

 

Seems like a spit in the face.  'Here, care about these characters you've spent time with, and then we'll vaproize them, just pretend they never existed. Oh, and thanks for all the money, please go buy our 5 year old DLC for release price because it will be meaningless going forward'

[Ranadiel Marius]

O.o I..what am I even looking at here? I don't even...*sigh*

Is this how it's going to be from now on? Why wouldn't Bioware let each player keep the record of choices, instead of the very limited set of options you set in the keep?

Yes the Keep is planned to be used for all future entries, so it is how it is going to be from here on. Mind you DAI and all future entries will upload your choices as you play, but yes the Keep will be used from now on.

And if you think the options in the Keep are limited, you should look at how few options were imported from DAO to DA2. There were less (and several were buggy). The Keep has every decision the developers think might be important and if they ever decide they want something currently missing they can add the choice to the Keep (unlike save game importing where the data is lost forever).

[sjsharp2011]

DAI uses a completely diffrent engine to DAO and DA2. The Frostbite engine DAI uses is a newer next gen type engine. This was what the keep was created for to get around the problem of different games using different engines so the decisions you make in the game can still be imported into them so the story you create can continue.