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[Isaantia]

I just spent the last 5 hours reading the stolen throne. Granted I'm tired and bleary-eyed right now .. but I don't see any threads discussing it.

I'm still kinda at the ending of it. Was it necessary to kill off the most awesome woman ever?

[nisallik]

On the general discussion there is a discussion for the next book, "The Calling." Though it is a bit hard to discuss TST there as you will find several spoilers in the next book. ;p



I'm assuming you are talking about Rowan? Yeah, it did leave us rather speechless as to why David would eliminate her in an epilogue of all places, but I guess it just sets up the story for The Calling which I recommend to you to purchase. ;p

[grregg]

Perhaps she meant Katriel?

[nisallik]

Maybe, I'm not sure either but the OP said "at the ending of it" ;p

[Ralsar]

Katriel needed to die as a part of Maric growth even as painful as it was.



Not so sure about Rowan, hated to see her go though I wanted her to skip away holding hands with Loggy to live happily ever after and that wasn't exactly possible.



Responsibilities weighed heavily on everyone throughout the book.

[DalishRanger]

I didn't hate Katriel, but for some reason I found I really didn't care at all whether she lived or died.



As for Rowan... I was sad to read that she died, but I wasn't totally surprised. Loss and angst skip hand-in-hand through many fantasy tales.

[Isaantia]

I meant Rowan, not Katriel. I was glad that Maric killed Katriel. I was totally disgusted by his reaction to her death tho. Seriously, I am not that impressed by Maric at all. I know he needed to grow up and be a King, but still. I wanted to smack him when he whined to Rowan about what the Witch told him.



Loghain, however, wow. And Rowan - she was amazing! Why kill her off in an epilogue? David, she deserved so much better.



And I do I have the Calling, which I will probably finish tonight. Then I suppose I can hop into the other thread.



But I want to talk about TST too! There's a lot to discuss in it.



For those that played NWN2 OC - when Katriel was introduced, I immediately thought of Kistrel, the giant magical spider. The lo and behold - later there were giant spiders.

[DalishRanger]

Isaantia wrote...

For those that played NWN2 OC - when Katriel was introduced, I immediately thought of Kistrel, the giant magical spider. The lo and behold - later there were giant spiders.

I actually thought of Elanee, even though they're not really the same at all... Dunno why I did, either. Maybe that's why Katriel rubbed me the wrong way a bit. Then again, both elves are/were stalkers in their own way...

[Isaantia]

Katriel was a weird character. I didn't get why more people were questioning why she was there. I mean she just waltzes into his tent one night -- no one stops her. No one checks her story. Not until way later. It made the whole lot of the rebellion look like a bunch of fools, really.

[DalishRanger]

Yeah, it really did. Maybe that's why she miffed me a bit. Eh, whatever. The Stolen Throne wasn't bad as a whole, but I liked it more for the lore learned than the characters themselves.



(By the way Isaantia, I LOVE your avatar. Not enough pretty darker-skinned ladies seen around, if you ask me.)

[Isaantia]

(Thanks! I am really pleased with the way she turned out. I may change her hair, however.)



True - but the characters are part of the lore, too. I'm into about chapter 4 of the Calling now and I think Maric is hitting on yet another elf woman . I really don't get this guy at all. They should have just let him die and let Rowan and Loghain take over Ferelden.

[DalishRanger]

(Really? I like her hair, but if you do change it, I'll be curious to see what you can come up with! I normally don't like make-up on the female avatars - looks too heavy - but I think you managed a nice level with her.)

Point. I just mean the world/history/etc kind of lore was interesting.

*Sigh* Oh Maric... He baffles me too, really. I liked him at the start, and I can understand an idealistic attitude, but even with that his behavior really confused me. I dunno... Stolen Throne felt like an epic that had to be condensed into a 400-something page book. Bit rushed. Still, I'm not too worried about the game because game writing is very different than novel writing, and David's done a fantastic writing job for Bioware in the past.

I haven't gotten the Calling yet because I don't have time for pleasure reading at the moment; too many school projects to do. I'm also working my butt off now so I have more free time when DA:O comes out in a few weeks.

Modifié par DalishRanger, 15 octobre 2009 - 08:18 .

[Isaantia]

I totally agree with you about feeling rushed. As the end of the book became thinner and thinner I kept thinking - wth we have a long way to go to get to the throne - then suddenty 2 years passed, then 3. I guess thats one way to do it.



I have no worries about the game at all. I agree that David's done a fantasic job writing for Bioware. But even then, it is always different when you are the main character. ;D

[DalishRanger]

Writing a novel is a daunting task, and I'm sure he had some dreadful deadlines to cope with. Much as I can nitpick about the novel, I am impressed that he was able to write it and The Calling at all while working on the game. Props to your level of working drive, Mr. Gaider!

Ha ha, true enough.

[Ralsar]

Well I don't know. We went through Maric's journey to become King both mentally/emotionally and literally. At that point we pretty much achieved the end of the story. Though I do agree that there is a lot that wasn't explored, but hey, fanfic writers get to work. Or module writers for that matter

[Isaantia]

Good point. We basically saw his turning point so to speak. The moment of truth when he finally had to behave like a king. He seems to have regressed, however, by the beginning of the Calling. I like Duncan so far, though.

[Eshaye]

I need to get my hands on The Calling right away!!



But yes I totally agree with OP, I LOVE Rowan she was a wonderful character, level headed, strong but still very much human and so patient. It nearly drove me bananas to watch her tore her heart to pieces for the sake of two stupid men. Well especially Maric, he did not deserve her, not one bit.



I did feel for Kaitriel a bit too, she wasn't as likeable as Rowan but she was tragic in another way. I liked Maric at the beginning of the book but by the end I just wanted to stamp his forehead with a big idiot label. I think his son will be a lot like him, I look forwards to it actually



It is neat how these characters are flawed and the 'hero' is just not all that clever all the time.

[DalishRanger]

Eshaye wrote...

It is neat how these characters are flawed and the 'hero' is just not all that clever all the time.

As much as I enjoy clever characters, I did enjoy that they all were pretty flawed. I'd much prefer them as they are now than if they were total Mary/Gary Sues.

[The Moth Vampire]

I thought this book so incredibly well written. When I read about the first night with Katriel and Rowan plans destroyed I got so upset at Maric I had to put the book down for a good hour. I was so ticked off.

[Isaantia]

The Moth Vampire wrote...

I thought this book so incredibly well written. When I read about the first night with Katriel and Rowan plans destroyed I got so upset at Maric I had to put the book down for a good hour. I was so ticked off.

Yeah. I was really hoping that Rowan would just storm in there and kick the elf out of there.

[Kemor]

I finished reading couple days ago and quite like the book overall even if a lot of what happens in there felt a bit cliché.



That said, am I the only one who read the epilogue? To me, the epilogue made it kinda clear that what I read before was actually what the nanny was telling the little heir, meaning that all was just a story, which, despite being decent, meant that nothing actually happened the way it was written in the book.

Maybe it wasn't Maric who killed Kitriel, but Rowan. Maybe the legion of the dead was never there and that the dwarves were actually just no-caste mercenaries. Maybe Rowan actually slept with every single soldier in the army. Maybe Loghain actually killed his own father. Maybe Meghren wasn't actually that bad but was weak and the kingdom was controlled by the Chantry (and they liked heads on pikes). Maybe even Maric killed his own mother because he grew tired of her.



Frustrating...

[Phoenixblight]

Read The calling Kemor. Maric did infact kill Katriel.Maric also states all the things happened in the first prequel did happen and not that it was made up.

[Kemor]

Can't get my hands on it yet sadly.

[Phoenixblight]

Oh I am sorry but yeah the second book actually states all things in the previous book as fact, Maric even goes through some of the key points of the previous book excluding the Deep roads.

[Isaantia]

Kemor - I too thought after reading the epilogue that none of it actually happened, but then I had started reading the Calling and it was clear that that had all happened. I think it just helps tie up the fact that Loghain managed to find Sister Allis and that the new Prince was learning all the shady details of his father, mother, Loghain, the war and the rebellion.